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[Malkoy]

My dreams are shattered. Was hoping of harvest skeletons en mass within like 10sec of real time then rush off to defeat enemy forces with an army of imps to The Flight of Valkyries

 

I wish there was a way to IMProve upon the mundane aspects of this process. It is very IMPortant for us to come together as a community to solve this conundrum. Hopefully some clever IMProvisation would show us the way. I would hate for this build to be gIMPed by the long set-up time.

 

Maybe IMPlementing Instruments of Pain (for reach) and smacking charging skeletons would solve this IMPossible challenge. Duality of Mortal Presence Int bonus for more wiggle room with Nalpazca for wound generation?

 

Add One-Weapon Style with Swift Flurry and Turning Weel and Maybe reach Troubadour skeleton HP 1hit breakpoints for faster skeleton generation?

 

AND OH MY GOD ITS WORKING FABULOUSLY!!!!! THE ONLY THING YOU NEED IS LEVEL 19:P 

 

Brisk Recitation + "Many lives pass by..." +Duality of Mortal Presence = 1 skeleton every 3 sec (12 sec lifespan), killed with 1 hit  per 3 sec (125 accuracy vs vessels, skeletons have 24 deflection, so always crit) = 1 x Imp every 3 seconds (75 sec lifespan) =

 

Up to 24 Imps at a time swarming the enemy.

 

Neketaka has been IMPregnated by my IMPerial majesty. IMPresarios of Valian Trading Company has no power to stop it. IMPerialistic Rautai weep on their knees begging for mercy. My IMP army is IMPulsively slaughtering IMPoverished Gullet. 

 

IMPS THE REAL POWER IN DEADFIRE!!!

 

Note: This build is a bit IMPractical due to high level requirement. You can however use Brisk Recitation, regular Swift Strikes and "Ancient Brittle Bones" to get there

 

Edited by Malkoy, 12 August 2018 - 12:40 AM.

[Dorftek]

My dreams are shattered. Was hoping of harvest skeletons en mass within like 10sec of real time then rush off to defeat enemy forces with an army of imps to The Flight of Valkyries

 

I wish there was a way to IMProve upon the mundane aspects of this process. It is very IMPortant for us to come together as a community to solve this conundrum. Hopefully some clever IMProvisation would show us the way. I would hate for this build to be gIMPed by the long set-up time.

 

Maybe IMPlementing Instruments of Pain (for reach) and smacking charging skeletons would solve this IMPossible challenge. Duality of Mortal Presence Int bonus for more wiggle room with Nalpazca for wound generation?

 

Add One-Weapon Style with Swift Flurry and Turning Weel and Maybe reach Troubadour skeleton HP 1hit breakpoints for faster skeleton generation?

 

AND OH MY GOD ITS WORKING FABULOUSLY!!!!! THE ONLY THING YOU NEED IS LEVEL 19:P 

 

Brisk Recitation + "Many lives pass by..." +Duality of Mortal Presence = 1 skeleton every 3 sec (12 sec lifespan), killed with 1 hit  per 3 sec (125 accuracy vs vessels, skeletons have 24 deflection, so always crit) = 1 x Imp every 3 seconds (75 sec lifespan) =

 

Up to 24 Imps at a time swarming the enemy.

 

Neketaka has been IMPregnated by my IMPerial majesty. IMPresarios of Valian Trading Company has no power to stop it. IMPerialistic Rautai weep on their knees begging for mercy. My IMP army is IMPulsively slaughtering IMPoverished Gullet. 

 

IMPS ARE THE REAL POWER IN THE DEADFIRE!!!

 

Note: This build is a bit IMPractical due to high level requirement. You can however use Brisk Recitation, regular Swift Strikes and "Ancient Brittle Bones" to get there

 

 

Nice, yeah this is why i used the summoning spell for imp spawning and only on chant skellie at the start to engage the enemies, because the invocation skellies stand still when u summon them but the chanted one goes charging right away. 

 

Also yes this gets old if one does it in every fight lol, i wish the AI behaviour tool would let us set up attacks on closest allies - if vessel - lowest deflection. It would have been perfect, but u can only choose "target enemy" when u select an attack =(

[Boeroer]

Sine you don't need to press all the stuff (skeletons + Grave Calling) into one character it's actually supereasy to murder most of your 6 puny skeletons (that split into 12 even when turned to imps) with one attack (also at lvl 19): Berserker/Devoted with Clear Out. Summon skeletons, gather them in one spot (skeletons are some of those summons you still can control directly) and hit them with Clear Out. Each Clear Out hit will trigger Carnage. Often all of them die, turning into 6 imps and 12 skeletons (which you can't control). Many lives pass by is a good bonus.

 

But of course that's not for solo.

[thundercleese]

So I just nuked a bunch of my own skellies with a Touch of Rot; swapned 4 Grave Imps and 4 Hel Imps. Do with this as you will, I have added it to my bug report so it will be fixed eventually.

 

Edit: Actually, having just re-read the description, I'm not entirely sure the kills from spells etc. is unintended - it says "Summon Grave Imp on killing a Vessel", which is the same wording as such items like Esperis and Frostfall. What definitely IS a bug is that you can summon the Imps from any creature type if the kill is not a direct blow from the weapon itself.

Edited by thundercleese, 12 August 2018 - 12:48 AM.

[Malkoy]

Sine you don't need to press all the stuff (skeletons + Grave Calling) into one character it's actually supereasy to murder most of your 6 puny skeletons (that split into 12 even when turned to imps) with one attack (also at lvl 19): Berserker/Devoted with Clear Out. Summon skeletons, gather them in one spot (skeletons are some of those summons you still can control directly) and hit them with Clear Out. Each Clear Out hit will trigger Carnage. Often all of them die, turning into 6 imps and 12 skeletons (which you can't control). Many lives pass by is a good bonus.
 
But of course that's not for solo.

You can't control little skellies (the ones that originals split into) sadly though.
 
Would it affect all the friendlies or 1 original target only? I though clear out is Foe AoE, also I can't usually target friendlies with abilities, just auto attack.
 
Also, there's a look at how you can be evil to the core:

 

Edited by Malkoy, 12 August 2018 - 12:55 AM.

[thundercleese]

Honestly the best tactic would be to have a player created Beckoner summoning the imps, then Tekehu casting Ngati's Power Struck the Shore Again. Both cost 4 phrases, both use an infinite resource, Tekehu's spell is friendly fire capable and deals 32-41 base damage.

 

And while it is bugged you may as well DW with Hel Beckoning once you get it for double the Imps.

 

Disregard, proven wrong below.

Edited by thundercleese, 12 August 2018 - 01:22 AM.

[Malkoy]

Honestly the best tactic would be to have a player created Beckoner summoning the imps, then Tekehu casting Ngati's Power Struck the Shore Again. Both cost 4 phrases, both use an infinite resource, Tekehu's spell is friendly fire capable and deals 32-41 base damage.

 

And while it is bugged you may as well DW with Hel Beckoning once you get it for double the Imps.

Maybe? My first attempt was fireballing the skeletons with Grave Calling Equipped. Didn't work. I don't think all the spells work this way

[thundercleese]

Yeah, my mistake. Has to be a DoT. I guess Touch of Rot was doing its first DoT tick immediately, which is why it was insta spawning them? Definitely a bug then. But I still think it may be intended that kills not directly attributed to the weapon are supposed to summon the Imps, as that is the behaviour of other weapons with on kill effects. In which case the bug would be that fireballs etc. aren't proccing it. As well as the any creature thing ofc.

Edited by thundercleese, 12 August 2018 - 01:21 AM.

[Malkoy]

I think frenzied berserker with unmitigated confusion is as close as we are getting to the good early level no-bug synnergy for this build. Probably not solo friendly though

[mosspit]

Yeah Clear Out under Confused status is pretty good in mass triggering the imp spawns.

[Malkoy]

Also pure Troubadour will get to skeletons chant at level 13. Wrap him in Patinated Plate and Cadhu Scalth (?) for survivability, get Sneak to max (Boots of Sneak and Mirrorback in personal inventory for early game) and you have Solo PotD contender. 

 

No Brisk Recitation, 1 imp per 6sec for 0 prases and minimal micro + one other chant of choice. Past level 14-15 you have army of imps (10-15) and bunch of Invocations to chose from (including summons). 

 

Since imps are ranged you can summon Ancient Instruments of death and break AI targeting for good. And your army will have minimal pathing issues.

Edited by Malkoy, 12 August 2018 - 02:31 AM.