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ShakotanSolari

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I just want to journey across all of Eora with my favourite drugged up grandpa Zahua, everyone else can rot.


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I think that Sagani would be the most relevant to the Deadfire, given that her homeland is part of the Deadfire, IIRC.  OTOH, as Camonge put it, she earned her retirement, though I suppose that it might have been possible that after so long on the road, she might have been considered as a potentially useful ambassador for her people and might have been in the Deadfire at the time of this story, perhaps even at the Nekataka palace.  But as a companion and with her skill set, she seems to duplicate what Maia brings to the mix.


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I posted this in another thread. It's really strange to me that the writers chose to overlook him since he is so much more integrally connected to the Eothas story than any other companion.

When Durance found out at the end of PoE that the gods

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, his natural response - given his spiteful nature and as someone who had sacrificed a great deal in the name of Magran as well as him hinting at the possibility that killing Eothas was a mistake - should have been to eradicate the gods.

If I were Durance, my first impulse upon hearing that Eothas had rose up out of the ground would be to track down the watcher(especially since it came from Caed Nua).

 

Except at that point I feel that Durance only cares about his vengeance on Magran. He doesn't give a damn about Eothas, since he is so obsessed with what Magran did to him.

I would have loved to see old coot, but I feel like he has even LESS reason to appear.

 

Aloth for me had the weakest reason. Pallegina was alright since there was a big thing in Deadfire and she was called by the Republics, Eder is affected directly because it was his own god that rose from the dead, so its natural for him to follow with you.

 

You seem to hold an overly-simplistic view of Durance's motives. My impression of him was that he truly believed that, by doing the bidding of the gods, they were looking out for humanity, therefore, he was helping humanity by following Magran's orders. He was acting as a soldier does, not questioning his orders, not questioning his beliefs, doing what he is told. His incredulity at Magran's seeming betrayal of him was such that, if you convince him to not give up his faith,

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Vengeance is definitely in there as a motivator, but I believe that, through certain dialogue choices(such as his reaction to you sacrificing companions to the blood pool, and his words about killing the wrong god) he hints at the idea that he really did feel morally responsible for what he did.

The major problem with the interpretation that Durance just "wanted vengeance for being used" is that, if he truly believed in Magran's leadership, he would not have felt like he had been used. If he had truly enjoyed what he had done, there would have been no crisis of faith, because he would have felt satisfied. The fact that he had a crisis is proof of that concept in motion. Waidwen's legacy and Magran's silence was proof that the gods were not looking out for humanity, thus the crisis of faith.

Coming to find out that the world was being run by what amounted to a clique of mean-girls-esque gods surely drove him over the edge about the gods. Remember, Eothas was the embodiment of what Durance wanted from Magran - the boy came down to end the wars and lead the Dyrwood to salvation.

Juxtapose Durance's anger at Magran for cutting him off with the fact that he was used to kill the god who truly represented the ideal of what he thought a god should be, and it's obvious why Durance would choose to pursue nu-Eothas.

I mention the weight of Durance's incredulity to point out how much he truly believed in what Magran had told him - his belief in Magran wasn't predicated on that it sanctioned him to act carelessly and without restraint. He was a deep believer in the most profound sense of the word. He's the one character whose faith is of central importance to his world-view. It goes to show the brilliance of Avellone's writing, and it's a hell of a shame that he never got to implement his "fix" quest on Grieving Mother and Durance.


Edited by spardeous, 10 June 2018 - 05:48 PM.

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