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Is Pillars of Eternity II men hating pro feminist game.


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Well, I'm a man-hating* feminist and I loved it! So I guess that means it must be SJW propaganda of some kind, since everyone knows us feminists despise all other forms of entertainment.

 

So I guess you shouldn't buy the DLC.

 

 

 

*No not really.


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So Wael is just a bunch of eyes stitching together, Ondra is a fish with ****,Rymrgand is a rotting bull,yet somehow Skaen is the ugliest one?

Also I found it really funny that whatever the devs do, it's always "they hate men". Making female not so good looking,"they hate men"; Making male not so good looking,"they hate men".

Just look at ME:A, I always thought that games proves the devs really hate female players, the female protagonist's model is worse than the male one, female has less romance options and the romance cut scene is also worse, yet somehow the internet believes that Bioware is men-hating sjws.

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I have to ask is this game pro feminist men hating propaganda


No.

I second this “No.”
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Now that we live in the era of Ultra feminism and internet is full of SJW #metoo stuff. I have to ask is this game pro feminist men hating propaganda, because almost all of the gods and powerful figures are depicted as female and ugliest god skaen in his rotting appearance is male. Narrative is also voiced by woman. Sure if those roles were reversed that almost all of the gods and powerful figures were male and those few ugly ones were female, all pro feminist SJW would be up in arms and polygon and some other medias would be twittering accusing this game of women hating chauvinism . :getlost:

I have not played yet so I can not tell you of the actual content of the game but some of the designers from their twitter seem left of Obama.



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Uh, okay, the "only ugly god" is Skaen somehow, when Ondra is depicted as a horrific monstrosity with an angler fish's head and eight sagging ****?

 

Yeah. Whatever.


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Well, I'm a man-hating* feminist and I loved it! So I guess that means it must be SJW propaganda of some kind, since everyone knows us feminists despise all other forms of entertainment.

 

So I guess you shouldn't buy the DLC.

 

 

 

*No not really.

 

On the other hand, how will we ever get the game enshrined as an Official Object of Controversy™ this way?


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Not really? The only Obsidian game that I've detected feminist vibes in was Tyranny, literally every woman in that game was snarky, obnoxious and permanently had their hands attached to their hips.


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Why can't a god be female?  Why can't the most powerful gods be female?  Why can't the most ugly, least likeable gods be male?

 

Such things can be evidence of an agenda if they are employed along with other, more concrete things, but alone?  No.

 

For example, if Magran started bitching about Skaen mansplaining something to her, or if Hylea started accusing the player of employing the male gaze while eyeing up a romance interest, or if Eder began self-flagellating on account of his white male privilege, or if Pallegina accused the player of being subconsciously racist upon not inviting her to the party...

 

If any of those things happened, then I might take another look at the sex of Deadfire's gods with a bit more suspicion.

 

But none of those things are in the game, so I have no reason to assume that Magran being female, for example, is motivated by an agenda, rather than it merely being chance, or something that fitted the character, or an aesthetic decision, or any number of perfectly fine creative choices taken by the developers.

 

Not that you genuinely care either way, since you're just a sad little troll trying to stir up trouble, rather than the barnstorming intellectual you probably think you are in your mind.


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Societies around the world have had open "woman hating" in their art and dogma for a long time. Right up into the modern age of media art. It should not be surprising that as woman develop a stronger voice in media, that the corollary may creep in. In a rpg, such things are likely to be existential in-universe depictions. However, your examples seem to be based on projection no?


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To the OP, addressing an issue/idea/concept/ideology in a game isn't propaganda. How about you leave your parent's basement and start living in the real world, where *gasp* people might see things differently than you ?

 

Honestly, I can't believe this thread hasn't been shutdown yet. Either the OP is trolling or a paranoic mysoginist with no grasp of reality.


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To the OP, addressing an issue/idea/concept/ideology in a game isn't propaganda. How about you leave your parent's basement and start living in the real world, where *gasp* people might see things differently than you ?

 

Honestly, I can't believe this thread hasn't been shutdown yet. Either the OP is trolling or a paranoic mysoginist with no grasp of reality.

 

 It's better to have the discussion. Shutting it down makes it look like you don't have an argument and this one wasn't even difficult.

 

 I don't know if the OP is a troll or a misogynist or none of the above but we can let the arguments stand or fall based on the facts. 


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Not really? The only Obsidian game that I've detected feminist vibes in was Tyranny, literally every woman in that game was snarky, obnoxious and permanently had their hands attached to their hips.

 

And every man in that game was a colossal douchebag - those aren't "feminist vibes," those are female characters that are off-putting. Women, like men, are people and can therefore be depicted as aggressive, obnoxious, or otherwise flawed without that having anything to do with feminism, social justice, or the gender of the person they're talking to. 


OP's post should never have been given the dignity of a response; it was literally just designed to stoke conflict and attempt to reinforce tired alt-right gamergate fragility and reactivity as the default perspective. Also, mods everywhere might want to consider adding "SJW" to their language filters. Would eliminate a ton of ****posts.


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To the OP, addressing an issue/idea/concept/ideology in a game isn't propaganda. How about you leave your parent's basement and start living in the real world, where *gasp* people might see things differently than you ?

 

Honestly, I can't believe this thread hasn't been shutdown yet. Either the OP is trolling or a paranoic mysoginist with no grasp of reality.

 

 It's better to have the discussion. Shutting it down makes it look like you don't have an argument and this one wasn't even difficult.

 

 I don't know if the OP is a troll or a misogynist or none of the above but we can let the arguments stand or fall based on the facts. 

 

I agree with you that ignoring this type of conversation lets it fester and just creates more hatred/frustration. That being said, the OP has little to no argument, so I don't see the point in engaging it with any semblance of dialogue. You don't negotiate with cancer, you treat it. Hating half the population because of its gender is a cancer.


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To the OP, addressing an issue/idea/concept/ideology in a game isn't propaganda. How about you leave your parent's basement and start living in the real world, where *gasp* people might see things differently than you ?

 

Honestly, I can't believe this thread hasn't been shutdown yet. Either the OP is trolling or a paranoic mysoginist with no grasp of reality.

 

 It's better to have the discussion. Shutting it down makes it look like you don't have an argument and this one wasn't even difficult.

 

 I don't know if the OP is a troll or a misogynist or none of the above but we can let the arguments stand or fall based on the facts. 

 

I agree with you that ignoring this type of conversation lets it fester and just creates more hatred/frustration. That being said, the OP has little to no argument, so I don't see the point in engaging it with any semblance of dialogue. You don't negotiate with cancer, you treat it. Hating half the population because of its gender is a cancer.

 

 

 

  The OP answered my question and I responded to the answer. Anyone reading this thread can see the discussion and judge the merits of both arguments. If you believe that the OP has little to no argument, then you should want him to expose his weak argument to everyone.

 

 If you are going to label someone else's opinion as cancer and declare it off limits, it will sound, to a lot of people,  like you think that opinion is too dangerous, i.e., that it is so solid that you don't have an argument against it.

 

 That is both a terrible strategy (for reasons I can elaborate on, if you wish) and an invitation to others to shut down your opinion when they have the power to do so.


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To the OP, addressing an issue/idea/concept/ideology in a game isn't propaganda. How about you leave your parent's basement and start living in the real world, where *gasp* people might see things differently than you ?

 

Honestly, I can't believe this thread hasn't been shutdown yet. Either the OP is trolling or a paranoic mysoginist with no grasp of reality.

 

 It's better to have the discussion. Shutting it down makes it look like you don't have an argument and this one wasn't even difficult.

 

 I don't know if the OP is a troll or a misogynist or none of the above but we can let the arguments stand or fall based on the facts. 

 

I agree with you that ignoring this type of conversation lets it fester and just creates more hatred/frustration. That being said, the OP has little to no argument, so I don't see the point in engaging it with any semblance of dialogue. You don't negotiate with cancer, you treat it. Hating half the population because of its gender is a cancer.

 

 

 

  The OP answered my question and I responded to the answer. Anyone reading this thread can see the discussion and judge the merits of both arguments. If you believe that the OP has little to no argument, then you should want him to expose his weak argument to everyone.

 

 If you are going to label someone else's opinion as cancer and declare it off limits, it will sound, to a lot of people,  like you think that opinion is too dangerous, i.e., that it is so solid that you don't have an argument against it.

 

 That is both a terrible strategy (for reasons I can elaborate on, if you wish) and an invitation to others to shut down your opinion when they have the power to do so.

 

 

Respectfully, this is the same logic that drives CNN to give climate scientists and climate change deniers equal time on their broadcast. Some arguments are undeservedly elevated and legitimized simply by engaging with them: by extending the same platform to a flat-earther that you extend to an astrophysicist, you risk amplifying the former rather than diminishing it.

Not all opinions are created equal, and OP's isn't exactly new. We've HAD this debate - there's no need to have it again every time someone washes ashore from 8chan with cultural provocation and division-mongering on their agenda.


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To the OP, addressing an issue/idea/concept/ideology in a game isn't propaganda. How about you leave your parent's basement and start living in the real world, where *gasp* people might see things differently than you ?

 

Honestly, I can't believe this thread hasn't been shutdown yet. Either the OP is trolling or a paranoic mysoginist with no grasp of reality.

 

 It's better to have the discussion. Shutting it down makes it look like you don't have an argument and this one wasn't even difficult.

 

 I don't know if the OP is a troll or a misogynist or none of the above but we can let the arguments stand or fall based on the facts. 

 

I agree with you that ignoring this type of conversation lets it fester and just creates more hatred/frustration. That being said, the OP has little to no argument, so I don't see the point in engaging it with any semblance of dialogue. You don't negotiate with cancer, you treat it. Hating half the population because of its gender is a cancer.

 

 

 

  The OP answered my question and I responded to the answer. Anyone reading this thread can see the discussion and judge the merits of both arguments. If you believe that the OP has little to no argument, then you should want him to expose his weak argument to everyone.

 

 If you are going to label someone else's opinion as cancer and declare it off limits, it will sound, to a lot of people,  like you think that opinion is too dangerous, i.e., that it is so solid that you don't have an argument against it.

 

 That is both a terrible strategy (for reasons I can elaborate on, if you wish) and an invitation to others to shut down your opinion when they have the power to do so.

 

 

This is the same logic that drives CNN to give climate scientists and climate change deniers equal time on their broadcast. Some arguments are undeservedly elevated and legitimized simply by engaging with them: by extending the same platform to a flat-earther that you extend to an astrophysicist, you risk amplifying the former rather than diminishing it.

Not all opinions are created equal, and OP's isn't exactly new. We've HAD this debate - there's no need to have it again every time someone washes ashore from 8chan with cultural provocation and division-mongering on their agenda.

 

 

 It isn't the same as giving equal time. You don't need to give equal time, you can ask for the argument and dismantle it with facts taking however much time you need. 

 

 You don't need to engage in the discussion if you don't want to but censoring ideas you disagree with is a bad idea. The same rules that allow you to censor others allow others to censor you when they are in power (if, hypothetically speaking, you are on the political left in the US, you should be acutely aware of why that is a bad idea at the present time). 

 

 In addition, if you force someone to shut up, you make it look like you can't come up with an argument. That's probably because you have never learned to argue and, if you censor everybody you disagree with, you never will. 


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Hah. What utter nonsense. The gods were created by a people let by a man. Judas was a woman, and Rymrgand is the most powerful deity. All the most horny characters are women, and you get boons for prostitutions, and a female hooker will even **** you for free if you got 19 con. An most male companions are real men in the classical sense. Yes, go feminism!


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Hah. What utter nonsense. The gods were created by a people let by a man. Judas was a woman, and Rymrgand is the most powerful deity. All the most horny characters are women, and you get boons for prostitutions, and a female hooker will even **** you for free if you got 19 con. Yes, go feminism!

 

 

 What?!?? Oh, crap, I've been doing feminism all wrong ....


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 You are free to dislike the game, but Obsidian is not responsible for whatever craziness exists in the world, both real and imagined. They are certainly not responsible for how you imagine a hypothetical group of people would have reacted had the game been different.

 

 To your specific criticism, in this world there are  5 male deities, 4 female deities, 1 deity with no identifiable gender and 1 twinned deity with a male aspect and female aspect. This mirrors many real world religions but you are, of course, free to be offended by any of it. 

 

 What do you think is the is the problem with the above setup and how would you fix it?

 

Most gods that you see and talk to in the game are female and berath almost exclusively uses Pallid knight form, ugliest or most hideous god is male,

 

 You mentioned Skaen earlier. You also meet Abydon, Galawain, Rymrgand and, of course, Eothas. In addition, Ondra would give Skaen a run for for his money in the ugliest god competition. You are seeing what you expect to see not what is there.

Woedica's *entire body* is covered with fresh burns. She looks a lot like Freddy Kruger. Just sayin'...


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I think this is valid topic to have conversation

 

I don't.

 

I win.


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