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    well its probably a fight against windmills in the Internet :|

    It's a fight she won't win. As I mentioned in an earlier post, it would be better if the artist just accept it and let everyone enjoy her work for whatever purpose they deem most satisfactory.

     

    In this day and age, the audience wins, the end. Every alternate portrait in this thread that is sourced from an unnamed artist is proof of that. The creative commons is common to all regardless of the wishes of content creators, and there is no taking it back the moment the pixels hit  the network.

     

     

    do you think if you're a big enough **** to her she'll give in and "set her work free" according to your "mandala code" or whatever, or are you just doing it for the pleasure of being a ****?

     

    is it so hard to credit someone's work? her name is already on the image! it takes more work to erase it!

     

     

    I'd rather convince someone through calm rational discourse then resort to insults and superlatives. I'm simply relating reality. If you review my posts I haven't explicitly broken her wish to preserve copyright, merely suggested that such efforts are fruitless and damaging. 

     

    It honestly makes me sad to see to see another artist get upset about this sort of thing. She is very talented, and It would be tragic if she stopped producing artwork because of a misconception regarding how content ownership works in the age of information.  

     

     

    yeah I'm pretty sure it's the people being raging aholes that are more likely to stop her producing work, but you keep on mr rational "mandala creed."

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    well its probably a fight against windmills in the Internet :|

    It's a fight she won't win. As I mentioned in an earlier post, it would be better if the artist just accept it and let everyone enjoy her work for whatever purpose they deem most satisfactory.

     

    In this day and age, the audience wins, the end. Every alternate portrait in this thread that is sourced from an unnamed artist is proof of that. The creative commons is common to all regardless of the wishes of content creators, and there is no taking it back the moment the pixels hit  the network.

     

     

    do you think if you're a big enough **** to her she'll give in and "set her work free" according to your "mandala code" or whatever, or are you just doing it for the pleasure of being a ****?

     

    is it so hard to credit someone's work? her name is already on the image! it takes more work to erase it!

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    Do all endings have to be happy?

     

    IMO no. In fact I think it's extremely cool if some of them aren't. It makes the happy ones actually mean something.

    Happy, no, but I don't like them immensely depressing, which is the only ending I can see for a woman in the Legion, Longknife's optimism notwithstanding.  Plus playing a woman who's walking past legionaries at the Fort who are coming out with creepy comments about how attractive some of the new slaves are... her ignoring that and continuing to support the Legion just feels borderline sociopathic.

     

    If you all feel differently, that's fine; this is just some feedback from one female fan who informally polled a few of her friends and found the same - that we just weren't able to really get into a Legion playthrough because we found the misogyny too off-putting for one reason or another.

     

     

    Uh I think a male character who sides with the legion would also have to be sociopathic. The legion are straight up monsters.

     

    I mean what kind of person would walk through Nipton and think "yeah these guys have the right idea."

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  4. I love your portraits! Very inspirational. The first is my favorite. I don't know if you want any suggestions but her face is so carefully rendered, other parts like her hair seem a little unfinished in comparison. 

     

     

    I have also seen some people making* some things that might have been custom portraits too, so...if any of you have some stuff to show, bring it on!

    (* making as in painting, possibly manips , not “google&crop”..I'm not fond of that, since people rarely give credit and often crop signatures.)

     

    Haha, I think this thread would justifiably make anyone terrified to share their own work. But here's my first one (I'm jealous you have three done... I need to get my butt in gear!)

     

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    She looks so boring compared to yours though, but I'm currently in the process of turning her into a nature godlike.

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    First of all, that has to be racist in some way. And if you argue on the terms of the game, why would you compare Aumaua to Africans? The game already has black humans. 

     

    You suggest the idea that Asians are effeminate or African Americans have "rough skin" might be racist? Your powers of perception are incredible.

  6. I think Obsidian has already come to terms with the fact that everyone is nostalgic for different features of the IE games and not everyone will be 100% satisfied. As for pickpocketing, how many people ever did that outside of rare instances (like snagging that cloak off the guy in the drug den in BG1)? Is it a core mechanic for bards too? 

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    Celtic/Gaelic, Old English/Norse and Latin are fairly much the industry standard, usually mixed together without thought or care. Poe seems to be taking a more in depth look at these languages and their heritage, personally I find that refreshing. Obviously it's not on par with professor Tolkien as Mr Ding points out, but he was a world respected authority on the subject.

     

    Edit: Still not sure how to pronounce the Ooh Mama species however.

    Putting the languages you named together makes sense, since they are all found together in a relatively small area and have certain common characteristics. My problem with throwing languages together which aren't related at all, only makes sense when the games' world is extremely large. In a sense, you portray an "international" community if you mix latin, english, norse, and all kinds of other ancient languages such as mayan tongue with "itxl" affixes. In Baldurs Gate, for example, you had a feeling for how much time it takes to travel by foot from one city to the other. In an environment like that, a multicultural melting pot doesn't appear convincing to me. Many different races, make sense, yes, but here the problem is that every race has a different place on the fictive planet on which PoE is staged from where they come. Why would they all come together? Why would they have travelled half around the world to hang out in the places the player appears? Maybe I'm overly critical here, but most fantasy universes offer better explanations and background than what I've seen so far.

     

     

    Colonialism, one of the major themes of the game. How is that not convincing.

     

     

    Being a godlike does not have to change every dialogue because not everyone in the world is going to be a big enough jerk to comment on a stranger's physical deformities.

    Those are not deformities. Quoting from wiki: "Godlike manifest their divine heritage in a variety of ways: wings, horns, strange birthmarks, talons, odd eyes - but they always manifest it somehow."

     

    I'm not sure how common godlike are but I'm under impression that they're a bit too common for an odd curiosity. So I'd expect derogatory comments more along the lines of "hey, it's another one of them freaks" rather than "whoa! get a load of that guy's mug!"

     

     

    yes godlikes manifest their divine heritage in bizarre deformities, thank you

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    Every (sub)race should get at least one option per sex. Two per option would be even better. Even if it's a basic frame with a few details changed. Humans shouldn't get the shaft in the namr of Orlans or Aumaua though. A player shouldn't need mods of any kind to get some basic portraits coverage for all the game's offered options. There will be players that may still need more specific stuff but for basic stuff, no outside effort should be done by the player.

     

    Also, why does the female Moon Godlike use a hood when in game that cannot be the case? :p

    That leaves the Orlans and Aumauans with very few options just so players won't have to go on the internet and get the extra portraits. In the IE games importing your own portraits was very easy; I don't see why the new races should get such a raw deal. 

     

     

    I'm all for ditching dwarves and elves (even better, give everyone either long beards or ear-obscuring hair, so every portrait can function for multiple races), but cutting corners on portraits depicting people of color sends a very wrong message.

     

     

    Yeah. Imagine playing a game where there are no portraits of women because there are a million pictures of women on the internet. That may be true but wouldn't it make female players feel excluded?

     

     

     

     

    in any event, is actually much easier for Gromnir to find very nice asian, black and semitic fantasy art than native american/indian. silly feathers and buckskins is the closest we typical get. usual we gotta go google and get portraits o' red cloud or chief joseph or somesuch, or we break down and find the wes studi dui mug shot... very intimidating.

     

    HA! Good Fun!

     

    Yeah. I don't remember the last time I saw fantasy art featuring a South Asian/Indian person either. Important to remember this isn't just about excluding black people. Aren't there supposed to be Mesoamericans in PoE too?

     

     

     

    Obsidian should not be in the business of worrying about messages they're sending. They should be doing what's best for the game.

     

    Um if the message they're sending is a racist one yes they should be concerned and they should do what is best for their players.

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  9. With the exception of the fire godlike option, every single character portrait is lily-white. It's really immersion-breaking to spend half an hour customizing the ingame appearance of an ocean folk human just to find out that there is no character portrait option that's even remotely similar.

     

    Isn't really a priority for the beta, but I sincerely hope there will be bigger diversity in the final game.

     

    I'm glad I didn't have to say it. It's expected for a game to have all white portraits with a single token PoC but since they deliberately made a setting with people of different complexions I was kind of hoping for more than "none." It doesn't matter that this is only the beta because that makes it seem like non-white characters are an afterthought. And PoC representation is way more important to me than fuzzy-faced hobbit representation. 

     

    Also I would really like to see the supposedly plentiful black character portraits available on the internet.

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