[AVOWED - Obsidian's Skyrim clone set in the Pillars of Eternity setting]

13 hours ago, Theonlygarby said:

I was thinking about how they will do the watcher, and also the ciphers.  I wouldn't be entirely surprised if it turns out you are technically the same watcher... just a long time ago... as in, the same soul.  I doubt there will be class bases... but hopefully there are way more RPG elements than skyrim.  Are soft classes a thing?  Having a level cap is important to RPGs so maybe its a situation where you dont have enough points to do everything well. I always laugh when i see "skyrim builds".  Because never in that game did I need to think about how i was building my character.  Also I'm awful at character building, so that says a lot.

Soft classes are a thing, yes. Just look at Oblivion or Morrowind, and compare with Arena.

[Next AAA game from Obsidian after The Outer Worlds discussion]

On 7/15/2020 at 1:23 AM, Theonlygarby said:

I'm not even against class based.  Just can't think of a first person RPGs that does it...  Nevermind... Mass effect did it.  Though it wouldn't be "like Skyrim" if it was like mass effect... I mean one is party based (somewhat at least) and the other is not.  

 

Either way, I do really like the skill growth through use of that skill.  Not a game changer by any means but it feels more real.

Non-party first person RPGs that has classes? Elder Scrolls I to IV, although they became less important as the series progressed (with Skyrim outright removing them being the culmination of that trend). Remains to be seen if Avowed will have classes, of course.

[Obsidian to Show More "The Outer Worlds" Gameplay at PAX East]

 

Its 2019 release. Considering the game's current state and Obsidian's development history, it needs to spend more than nine months in the oven.

 

 

 

Eh, I don't think there's anything here that can't be addressed before the end of the year. Voice acting, polish, they've got time for that. It's only March, it's not like the game is coming out in two months.

 

August 6, so just over four months. Well, for most of the audience (declaring console to be the primary demographic for The Outer Worlds may be premature, but between console, EGS and the Microsoft Store, that's going to be most people buying it).

[The Outer Worlds won't launch on Steam]

Disappointing. I can only hope the Epic Store does poorly enough that Epic decides their exclusivity spree isn't working as a strategy to undermine Steam. Too late for the Outer Worlds, of course.

[New info about DLC 2]

That teaser was like 3 seconds long

Well, it is supposed to tease, not inform. That's what trailers are for.

[Please give us Ydwin]

Rekke, guys. Rekke. A new monotheistic religion from an uncharted land nobody knows anything about. What’s not to be intrigued by?

I think with me it is not that I am not intrigued by Rekke, but that I am intrigued by him in a sequel sort of way where his hook into the main story can be exploited more fully, while Ydwin is intriguing in a Deadfire sort of way as what is set up about her feels more tied to Deadfire's story specifically.

[What would you like to see in future DLCs and patches?]

A more detailed background creator, with less implicit spoilers about what won't be used and less guessing about which available option is the closest to the one you picked in that PoE1 you'd want to import except for a few other decisions.

[Update #48 - What's Next?]

So is this first DLC meant to be out soon, or am I going senile? 

The first DLC for sale was scheduled for July last we heard (they are estimates, but the first DLC is likely to be the most reliable estimate). The second free DLC was scheduled for this week last we heard (eg. in the update this thread is about).

[Pallegina and the Kind Wayfarer ending...]

I'm not 100% finished with Po1; but in 2 from the 'build your ending' thing, each companion has specific 'states'. 

 

Palle's were obey / disobey faction, didn't finish, or died.  It seems like everyone here is upset that when they chose to disobey their Ducs (and become Kind Wayfarers) that the game / future cared about the disobedience, and not the joining up with the Kind...  It seems like the important thing for the 'world' is what happened as a result of her decision, not which cult she happened to be hooked up with.

 

When she starts in the disobey state, she seems to have been kicked out of her usual cult, but rejoins them anyway.  On the plus side, this version of her armor, has a better 'Enchant' for group, compared to the obedience one.

To the world, the important thing would have been happened as a result of her decision. But to the companion, the important thing would have been what happened to them, and dismissing it as "which cult she happened to be hooked up with" seems reductive at best when she doesn't even mention the organization she was supposed to have joined up with.

[[ENDING SPOILERS] The ending of Deadfire and what it means for The Lore]

 

Did the game ever account for the Ngati/Ondra conundrum?

 

I mean, the Huana living on Ukaizo entered into a covenant with Ngati (and enjoyed the protection provided by her three guardian dragons) before the Engwithans arrived on the island. The problem here is that Ondra didn't even exist at that point in time and that she, according to the Guardian, created/activated Ondra's Mortar soon after the Engwithans vanished (i.e. ascended to godhood). The ancestral watershaping form can be found on Ukaizo, so it must mean that they acquired that ability from Ngati (who can't be Ondra) before the cataclysm.

the only thing i came up with was that the ancient huana had their own god Ngati (whatever it was, maybe something akin to a supped-up water dragon or something similar), and perhaps it died with ukaizo, and ondra only took the name for some reason? though that still doesn't make much sense, i admit.

 

Interpretatio graeca does not seem unlikely to have been a tool both for the Engwithans and the new gods themselves to spread belief in the Engwithan gods, so Ondra assuming the guise of a pre-existing huana goddess called Ngati appears perfectly reasonable.

 

That said, it is my understanding that the Engwithans created their missionary effort to spread the faith in their gods after they had created them and hence it is not an inconsistency for gods to have acted in areas prior to the Engwithans reaching them (if not by a large margin, in terms of generations), and that the Ionni Brathr cataclysm occurred after the Engwithans had spread their faith across known Eora, eg. significantly after the creation of the gods, and even the Engwithans reaching Ukaizo.

[Which sidekick would you most want to see become a full companion in a future Pillars game or DLC?]

I wonder how different the results would have been if the poll had separated "in a future Pillars game" and "in DLC" as individual questions? I know I would have voted for Rekke for a sequel, but went for Ydwin in the poll since Deadfire DLC are closer at hand.

[Which sidekick would you most want to see become a full companion in a future Pillars game or DLC?]

To be honest, if the price tag isn't set too high (and 25$ is not too high from my personal perspective) I'd totally buy a DLC specifically to make Ydwin a proper full companion. I say Ydwin as the hooks of Konstanten, Fassina and Mirke don't interest me as much, and Rekke is much too much future Pillars game fodder.

[Update #48 - What's Next?]

The problem seems less "the game lets you do other things!" (that is a core aspect of this kind of game, and that movies or books are not structured that way does not mean it is a flaw for games) than "the main quest doesn't have a good 'breathing point' where it makes sense to go off and do other things".

[Update #48 - What's Next?]

I wonder when we'll be hearing more of the next free DLC. This update seemed to indicate they were planning to put it out next week (from this week, not when they posted it), and they announced Rum Runner's Pack a bit more than a week before its release.

[Heroes of Might and Magic?]

Wow. Interesting.

 

I remember how Storm of Zehir reminded me of Heroes of Might and Magic, exactly because of the overland map. That's why I was so intrigued by Storm of Zehir. How could a roleplaying game give me the feeling of a HoMM game? That was quite an interesting experience for me.

 

 

First of all lemme start a riot. Heroes 5 Is the best HoMM game! /Hide

 

I love heroes of might and magic, and I'm so sad Ubisoft have destroyed it. Go forth Obsidian and slowly morph pillars into HoMM ;P

No, Heroes of Might and Magic 3 is. Closely followed by Heroes of Might and Magic 2.

And no that is not only my personal, subjective opinion but also known, objective, fact. Deal with it.

Well, Heroes of Might & Magic was originally conceived as combining the strategic gameplay of King's Bounty with Might & Magic, a roleplaying game series...

[Update #40 - Multiclassing Part II]

I will admit that I find it odd that Wizard/Cipher is Hierophant and Wizard/Priest is Thaumaturge rather than the other way around - hierophant seems so very... priestly a term.

[WM II items]

Got a soulbound scepter from the new stronghold task and found a soulbound crossbow at the new merchant in Stalwart.

[Steam not showing that I own the White March part 2]

 

Try restarting Steam. There was a response in the thread over in Announcements, and after I restarted Steam Part II got added and began downloading.

 

We aren't idiots. I've restarted Steam multiple times, and even restarted the whole computer once.

 

No, of course I don't think you are idiots, I meant do it again as BAdler seems to have made something change on their side in the last few minutes.

[Steam not showing that I own the White March part 2]

Try restarting Steam. There was a response in the thread over in Announcements, and after I restarted Steam Part II got added and began downloading.

[Pillars of Eternity: The White March Part II will be released on February 16th!]

Please check now.

It seems to work. Part II is listed (albeit as not installed) and a new 1.8 gb download is beginning.

[Pillars of Eternity: The White March Part II will be released on February 16th!]

 

I bought the expansion pack via Paypal before it was announced it was split to two parts. Now Steam's showing that I don't own Part II even though backer portal says I'll get it automatically. What to do?

 

Is anyone else seeing this issue? It should show in your game's DLC. All backers got the equivalent of the Expansion Pass.

 

It seems to be so for me as well. Backer portal says Part II will come automatically, Steam says Part II is unowned.

[Siege of dragonspear]

But isn't SCL based on 5E-lite? I always thought that WotC basically forced game developers to use the latest edition.

Based on the statements made by Beamdog developers, actual new games probably have to be based on the latest editions, but Siege of Dragonspear is a Throne of Bhaal-style expansion, technically, and therefore gets to use the edition of the base game.

[Project Louisiana? (not Fallout-related)]

What happens when they run out of states?

They could extend it with US territories. That'd get them at least five more games, maybe sixteen depending on how you count.

[Update #99: Announcing the Expansion and Update 2.0]

 

Will keys be generated for us kickstarter backers tomorrow on the backer site, or how will that work?

I see no reason to think otherwise. It's how we were given the GOG and Steam keys for the base game. I can't see any reason they would do it differently for the expansion - especially since there's an entry in the Products tab for the expansion if you pledged at that level.

 

An entry that they altered in the last few days to show the White March logo, say it is coming on August 25th and give a short summary of what the expansion will add, so I expect so. I am a bit more wondering how they will handle Part II when that comes, though - will it be able to use the same tab to add a new redemption code, could a new tab be added to Products, or will Obsidian have to use some other workaround? Still, that is months into the future.