About Ciphers.. in Pillars of Eternity: Stories (Spoiler Warning!) Posted November 19, 2012 · Edited November 20, 2012 by Agelastos The point is moot anyway. Ciphers aren't psions, even if they'll probably fill the same niche. In the sense that they are not exactly the same thing, true, but, as you said, like the D&D Psionic, they fill what is essentially the 'mind mage' place in various Fantasy game repertoires. Their description doesn't really leave any other possibility. The role is described using the setting's internal logic of souls, in the form of soul manipulation through mental prowess, but at the end of the day they're still using their exceptional minds to do the fantastic. So the point isn't moot so much as you've shifted away from it intoto semantics and hair splitting, as a manner of dismissal. The fact that Ciphers manipulate souls, and all magic in P.E. is soul-based, makes all the difference in the world to me. That means it's just another kind of magic. It doesn't draw from a completely different source. I didn't mean to be dismissive, but I've barely slept in 72 hours so I don't have the energy to argue. Especially since this isn't even my native language and I have to struggle with pretty much every post. I don't like psionics in Medieval Fantasy games. That's my opinion. You have a differing opinion. That's fine. I don't see why it has to turn into a huge argument.