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A pirated version probably wouldn't hurt day 1 sales at all. Of course that is debatable but there are arguments for both sides and imho the net value of an early release for backers would still be positive.
I am not necessarily saying the backers all playing this may not have been a good idea and generated some positive buzz a day or two before release. Just saying I am not terribly upset they did not. In my experience once a game has been out for a few days everybody generally only remembers the game and not so much how the release went, unless it was a particularly massive debacle.
Depends on the game - I can tell you now Double Fine isn't in anyones trust books - regardless how great Broken Age part 2 is I don't see DF getting another successful Kickstarter - same with Peter Molyneux.
Granted this isn't a deal breaker for many but it is for some and thats potential backers gone - So while they made the 4 million this time maybe next time its only 2.5 million still enough maybe - but its a difference.
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Okay then - explain to me the net loss for Obsidian giving Backers the same access as the media?
I lack the information to say. I suppose there might be logistical issues there being 77K+ of us and 2K or whatever of them. But frankly that is not my business.
But I am not interested in being treated the same as a member of the media. I am not a member of the media nor do I have any desire to be so.
So in other words - there is no net loss for all backers to have gotten their access at the same time as the media.
The game could be leaked from the backers. You won't do it, I won't do it, but someone would. And the pirated version would be up on all torrent sites right before the game's release, seriously hurting day1 sales.
Media copies also carry this risk, but they don't number 75.000+ , and Paradox has experience and control in this subject. Oh and btw, it's not Obsidian taking the shots here, it's Paradox. They partnered up for a reason, Obsidian has little to no experience in distribution.
Since Obsidian is already trusting backers with DRM free GOG copies I fail to see the importance of releasing it at the same time as the media or after. People know the GOG copy is DRM free those who will pirate will do so no matter what.
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Are you really going to care at all a month from now whether you started playing last week or this week?
The bugs that are apparently going to be posted everywhere and in great compilations though, that would be a thing.
As I said - Obsidian are now a developer I am cautious of - I have that right as a consumer and I have the right to warn/advise people of my reasons for being cautious - I'll still play the game I'm getting my $140 worth. But in the future I will always remember this moment when I think of Obsidian and I don't doubt others will too.
Of course you have a right as a consumer to do what you want. Where did anybody say anything about removing your rights? I just do not get where anybody has been wronged or why we were entitled to anything in a KS beyond making sure the game we wanted to play was made. I also do not see how they have done anything wrong, they said the game was going to be out on the 26th, it is. They said the keys would go out on Monday or Tuesday and they were (barely...). They have been engaged with us here on these forums for years. They had a spirited and involved backer beta. I do not see how they have not been respectful or non-engaged.
Now if you need more than that that it is always your right to do whatever. Billions of people did not contribute to this kickstarter.
Okay then - explain to me the net loss for Obsidian giving Backers the same access as the media?
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Are you really going to care at all a month from now whether you started playing last week or this week?
The bugs that are apparently going to be posted everywhere and in great compilations though, that would be a thing.
As I said - Obsidian are now a developer I am cautious of - I have that right as a consumer and I have the right to warn/advise people of my reasons for being cautious - I'll still play the game I'm getting my $140 worth. But in the future I will always remember this moment when I think of Obsidian and I don't doubt others will too.
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Not offended - and you're right people will judge them more clearly next time. At least now there is precedence on how Obsidian operates their KS - so backers can consider that in the future.
The only part of the operation of their KS I care about is the quality of the final product.
Where as I value their actions along with the product
I can excuse a bad product if the actions are respectful and engaging.
I can play and enjoy a good product but be turned off the developer if they're disrespectful and distant.
I'll damn near preach the game to everyone I know and buy it for people who can't afford it for a great product with engaging passionate respectful developers.
It says it all when I have bought 6 copies of Star Citizen for friends - but I am considering telling people to wait for PoE to be on sale and not to bother.
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Obsidian could have allowed all backers to have access to the media review copy - they chose not to - the media is more important than backers to them By their actions.
Obsidian values their backers, so they didn't want them to play the game without the first day patch. The media however, was subjected to bugs.
Thank you Obsidian, for your considerate actions.
Well I would have appreciated being given that choice, Knowing there was a patch coming later I could have held off - installed it created a character and got a feel for the game. It's not like even with this Day 1 Patch all the bugs are gone - there are still bugs and we'll be seeing them posted everywhere and in compilation youtube videos about Glitches in gaming.
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I don't think less of you or feel like calling you out - fans are not who I have my beef with here. I'm upset at Obsidian and their decisions and I'm voicing that in the hopes it makes their future events better. I personally wont be backing them or encouraging friends to if they do another KS unless I see some statements or questions answered about the priority of backers. I would have asked this in the beginning but hindsight is 20/20 and honestly back then we had very little to go on with KS experience.
I guess I do not understand the beef. So far Obsidian has done everything they promised. I never got the idea that because I backed them they were required to make me some sort of priority, or at least above and beyond what they said they were going to do.
And I acknowledge that - again when other Kickstarters put their fans and backers at a higher priority (even Broken Age had early access) it strikes me as very poor form for someone as well respected as Obsidian to not show a little gratitude to their backers. Again giving access to the exact same copy the Media had would have cost them nothing in effort but would have rewarded them a lot in fans - even you I am sure would have been happy to have received it at the same time with a little thank you note. Granted you're not bothered about not getting that but you would have found it a net positive and so would all other fans.
Well I will just post following here about how I feel about this matter (because some of the posters feel like they are assuming every backer shares their opinion):
- I do not feel badly treated by Obsidian for not getting early access that was not promised in the kickstarter campaign.
- I do not feel that Obsidian owns me anything but the great game they promised. I hope it will be all that I dreamed of. I will know tomorrow already.
- I do not feel bad because press and streamers got copies earlier. That is business decision and it is in function of getting best possible sales.
And here is the thing I don't mind you feeling like that and you're not wrong to have that opinion.
I don't think less of you or feel like calling you out - fans are not who I have my beef with here. I'm upset at Obsidian and their decisions and I'm voicing that in the hopes it makes their future events better. I personally wont be backing them or encouraging friends to if they do another KS unless I see some statements or questions answered about the priority of backers. I would have asked this in the beginning but hindsight is 20/20 and honestly back then we had very little to go on with KS experience.
Now we've seen how companies have done their KS which ones have done alright - which ones have burnt bridges. You think Double Fine is going to get another successful KS in the near future? Pretty challenging for them after that Space Station game and the trouble with Broken Age. Molyneux might as well give up gaming with the bridges he burnt. Obsidian hasn't murdered children or cooked kittens nor do I think that little of them - but they are someone I am now cautious of and same with other people.
I see what you are trying to say. But I think as you said it yourself, Obsidian didn't say anything about priorities of the backers in the way you are suggesting and I just think that it is not fair to voice this matter when they are clearly not responsible.
As I said in the previous post, maybe they can make next kickstarter with clear statement not only what backers are entitled to, but also what they are not entitled to.
Imho, you cannot blame them now for something they didn't write and you didn't ask at that time.
I am sorry if I offended anyone, I would really like that you could just sit and enjoy what little spare time you have before you get lost yourself in this game
Best,
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Not offended - and you're right people will judge them more clearly next time. At least now there is precedence on how Obsidian operates their KS - so backers can consider that in the future.
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Well I will just post following here about how I feel about this matter (because some of the posters feel like they are assuming every backer shares their opinion):
- I do not feel badly treated by Obsidian for not getting early access that was not promised in the kickstarter campaign.
- I do not feel that Obsidian owns me anything but the great game they promised. I hope it will be all that I dreamed of. I will know tomorrow already.
- I do not feel bad because press and streamers got copies earlier. That is business decision and it is in function of getting best possible sales.
And here is the thing I don't mind you feeling like that and you're not wrong to have that opinion.
I don't think less of you or feel like calling you out - fans are not who I have my beef with here. I'm upset at Obsidian and their decisions and I'm voicing that in the hopes it makes their future events better. I personally wont be backing them or encouraging friends to if they do another KS unless I see some statements or questions answered about the priority of backers. I would have asked this in the beginning but hindsight is 20/20 and honestly back then we had very little to go on with KS experience.
Now we've seen how companies have done their KS which ones have done alright - which ones have burnt bridges. You think Double Fine is going to get another successful KS in the near future? Pretty challenging for them after that Space Station game and the trouble with Broken Age. Molyneux might as well give up gaming with the bridges he burnt. Obsidian hasn't murdered children or cooked kittens nor do I think that little of them - but they are someone I am now cautious of and same with other people.
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LordCrash, part of the problem is that if we received the game earlier, before the day 1 patch was ready (and it inevitably ended up on torrent sites shortly thereafter), that'd be the unpatched, buggier, and less polished game out there that everyone was drawing their conclusions from - it'd potentially be less well received than the patched version, and thus could lead to lower sales.
The review copy sent to media is already on torrent sites - so that's a false statement.
I think you are wrong about reviewers version on torrents, but I think it should not be discussed on forums here.
Other people are bringing it up - they may as well be factual in their claims - claiming it wasn't given to backers because there would be torrents is clearly false.
In fact one could say it would have been less likely people who paid in early would release their copies for torrenting as opposed to someone with 28 subscribers on youtube getting thrown a free key and told to only stream act 1 and no more than 15 hours.
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Ugh, so sad to see so many man-children amongst backers.
My only hope is that once the game releases and the frothing of the mouth subsides, that some of you will feel a bit of shame about the way you acted.
The only reason to attack the person is when you can't attack their arguments.
Obsidian could have allowed all backers to have access to the media review copy - they chose not to - the media is more important than backers to them By their actions.
You don't seem capable of refuting that point and by their actions people are justified in reviewing Obsidian badly to their friends and family. It's part and parcel of being a consumer, its also a big part of capitalism - the consumer gets to judge a company on their actions as well as their product. That's what is happening here.
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LordCrash, part of the problem is that if we received the game earlier, before the day 1 patch was ready (and it inevitably ended up on torrent sites shortly thereafter), that'd be the unpatched, buggier, and less polished game out there that everyone was drawing their conclusions from - it'd potentially be less well received than the patched version, and thus could lead to lower sales.
The review copy sent to media is already on torrent sites - so that's a false statement.
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Wow, this thread... many people who do not understand press, PR, capitalism, or probably a lot more.
Why in the WORLD would Obsidian put the backers before the press at this point. The backers wont be sales. The press will reach them.
Why would we, as backers, even WANT to be priviledged like that. Do we not want the game to be a success? To sell massive amounts of copies? Did we just back just to get this game knowing it's a one-shot amongs AAA-RPG's? Or did we back so more of these types of games could be made after PoE for us.
If the second, which includes my backing, why would we want sales to stagnate? I definitely wouldn't want that. I want as many copies sold as possible. If press before us grants that, so be it. It's a small price to pay to get more of these types of games in the future rather than people saying 'I knew nobody would want those games anymore these days - just look at the sales figure'
Is that a hard concept to grasp? Do you really, REALLY, want to put yourself ahead just to put the future of RPG's like this at risk? REALLY?
Your base assumption is imho incorrect that nowadays press is the most important marketing channel for games of that kind. I'd say for PC exclusive games of some niche appeal word of mouth from enthusiastic fans is an even more powerful marketing tool. That's why streamers on youtube get more and more important as well.
I don't see how giving copies to backers earlier should result in lower sales. You might elaborate on that?
But you just missed the point and your whole rant is useless anyway because nobody here criticizes Obsidian for giving out review copies to the press before release. We criticize them for not giving out game copies to backers at the same time.
Well because game is DRM free if backers would get copies, let's say 3 days before launch, the torrent with the game would be out in less than a 10 minutes and than people would pirate it for 3 days before launch. That would hurt Obsidian sales on so many levels!
And furthermore, do you consider yourself that important and entitled that the company owns you something because you backed their development? Excuse me, but I think we own more to Obsidian than they to us, as there is no other studio or people who could pull something like this, and who would put everything on risk to make a game that no one seems to want (I mean publishers and nowadays gamers). I pledged $290 and I do not know anyone else in whole world who could for that money get me a game like this!
Be happy that we were allowed to play a part in something great and something no one believed that can happened again - to get real spiritual successor to our beloved IE games!
I doubt the significance of the torrent argument. People who want to pirate the game will so anyway. It's not like just because a torrent isn't available two weeks before release would lead to buy the game. You could even counter the whole argument by looking at the torrent as a free demo. There are still quite a few people who pirate games to evaluate whether they want to buy the game for full price or not. So maybe it would have even fueled sales (just talking about effects here, not about torrents being right or something, ok).
And my argument wasn't about myself, but about the effectiveness of marketing. I think releasing the game earlier to backers would have been a win-win situation for everyone. Backers would have been happy because they feel a bit special and respected and Obsidian would have been happy because everyone in the core audience was talking about the game on social networks and game communities like Steam. Not even mentioning a whole lot of probably very positive Steam user reviews already available at launch which is the best argument for quite some people I know to actually buy a game. I say it again, word of mouth is the best marketing channel for a game like Pillars of Eternity, imho more important than traditional reviews. People nowadays - especially on PC - trust their friends and user reviews more than those of traditional media.
Well I cannot argue with you obviously you have your opinion and cant/don't want to accept another one.
IMHO one lost sale of the game because someone impatient would download torrent and than later decide for whatever reason not to buy the game is a loss.
As Obsidian never said that backers will get game before others, I do not see the reason discussing this topic at all...
And furthermore I would suggest Obsidian for the next kickstarter (I hope that they will make it whether they got enough funds or not because I like to be a part of something like it) that they separately state in CAPITAL LETTERS that:
"Backers will NOT get game before official release. Please do not pledge if you cannot accept this. Thank you very much."
No but they said in their KS they weren't going to a publisher and they broke that without any issue.
Again you're all making the assumption that people who are mad are somehow treating your precious Obsidian as the bad guys - they're not bad they just made a really bad decision - they've apologized to me about it so I am willing to let their future actions speak for them. But I am encouraging everyone I know to be a lot more cautious about Obsidian in the future because regardless of how the game stands on its own. It's the way backers are treated that matters in this situation - and as you say yes no one was promised early access not trying to form a class action or seek legal action against them - people like me are just disappointed.
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However if I buy a game on Steam and I have to log into Uplay or Origin to play a single player game it's a no buy for me - I do not need or want either services so I wont have them forced on me - if they were optional I might have considered them. But for now I prefer only having to deal with 1 account username and password. With the frequency of Origin and Uplay being hacked I just don't want to bother having to change my passwords every couple of months because security to them is a minor issue.
Are there games that require both Steam and Origin? As far as I'm aware, when EA decided not to offer their new stuff from Steam, they required Origin (Mass Effect 3, Dragon Age:Inquisition), but I wasn't aware that there were games requiring both. Anyway, it's neither here nor there. I was just curious. Like I said, I find Origin an overall better experience than Steam (marginally, mind you, as no client is a great experience to me). Your concerns about security are noted though.
Not sure on EA games - but either way I've never missed them enough to get an Origin account.
Uplay however do - if you buy most Ubisoft games offered on Steam they require you to sign into Uplay or you can't play them - even if it is a single player.
I provide a link to a topical interview regarding the gamer-developer divide and you take it as a personal attack? Just trying to promote a little empathy, for interested readers that is.
I just skimmed it.
It looks like an interesting read - I'm sure I'll invest more time into reading it, its on an open tab.
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Origin is another portal with less games that could as well be in steam for less hassle.
I'll never understand how customers can actually demand a monopoly... It's like punching yourself in the face.
I don't mind them being there I don't like them being mandatory - I have a GOG account why because it's not mandatory and they worked hard to put their customers first - EA and Ubisoft have yet to show that level of dedication.
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Depends on the game I bought it may as well play it - the forums are a good place to provide feedback.
That said Obsidian are on my be cautious list.
EA and Ubisoft are on my don't buy list until they remove mandatory 3rd party programs (Uplay and Origin) If I buy it on Steam that should be the only step I should need for playing the game no secondary sign in needed.
Obsidian are great guys and ok Devs but they really need to step up to the plate and start showing fans they appreciate them more. Because they really aren't - yes their games are often outstanding but you only get free passes for so long before people stop caring about you.
Happened to Peter Molyneux really easily and American Mcgee and countless other devs - the truth is if people like me and the others expressing dismay at treatment didn't care we'd just slink away and stop buying their products. The fact we're here telling Obsidian they're doing it wrong (treatment of backers) shows they still matter to us, and if we matter to them they'll listen.
Fair enough. Everyone's threshold for moving a dev to a 'be cautious' or 'avoid' list is different (I know I have a few devs on my own list). For me, Obs hasn't hit that mark.
On a side note, if you're good with Steam, what's your objection to Origin? I actually use both, and from my perspective, I actually prefer Origin overall. I've had a smoother experience with it than I have with Steam, even though it still has a few rough edges (that store front really needs some fine tuning).
Sure I'll go off topic - If I buy a game on Steam I expect it to only require me be logged into Steam to play - if it is a Multiplayer game and needs server access I will tolerate making an account for that game - more often I won't buy it.
However if I buy a game on Steam and I have to log into Uplay or Origin to play a single player game it's a no buy for me - I do not need or want either services so I wont have them forced on me - if they were optional I might have considered them. But for now I prefer only having to deal with 1 account username and password. With the frequency of Origin and Uplay being hacked I just don't want to bother having to change my passwords every couple of months because security to them is a minor issue.
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They chose to put the media before backers and the backers on par with first time buyers which is wholly their right to do, but it does by virtue of action mean backers are not important or appreciated by them. We're just ATM's.
That's certainly one way to interpret it, I guess. And while I agree with the complaints that there could have been better communication by times, I certainly don't agree with your interpretation of Obsidian's actions. So I guess you'll be moving on and not bothering with Obsidian or their forums anymore, then?
Depends on the game I bought it may as well play it - the forums are a good place to provide feedback.
That said Obsidian are on my be cautious list.
EA and Ubisoft are on my don't buy list until they remove mandatory 3rd party programs (Uplay and Origin) If I buy it on Steam that should be the only step I should need for playing the game no secondary sign in needed.
Obsidian are great guys and ok Devs but they really need to step up to the plate and start showing fans they appreciate them more. Because they really aren't - yes their games are often outstanding but you only get free passes for so long before people stop caring about you.
Happened to Peter Molyneux really easily and American Mcgee and countless other devs - the truth is if people like me and the others expressing dismay at treatment didn't care we'd just slink away and stop buying their products. The fact we're here telling Obsidian they're doing it wrong (treatment of backers) shows they still matter to us, and if we matter to them they'll listen.
My personal apologies that you feel this way. It is not our intention.
Many of the devs you see on the forums come on here to interact with the backers and fans on their off-time. Lately, many devs have been doing a lot of overtime to get the game out and haven't had a lot of time to come onto the forums.
I know the concern is that others have gotten their keys before the backers. I explained why that happened in another post in another thread. It wasn't because we don't love our backers, it had more to do with how complicated it is for us to distribute keys to people. There are a large number of combinations of rewards and tiers and it took us some time to create the backend of the Backer Portal and properly test it for our backers. When people buy items on Steam there is no back end work, they are just immediately granted a key.
Really, we just want an easy way for you folks to download your rewards. I hope that the additional wait is worth it for you guys.
It's understandable you had issues - I'm not going to harp on about it you've clearly noticed my statements and thats all I could hope for.
As long as you guys take the lessons forward I will be more than happy to give you the benefit of the doubt and I'll let your work stand on its own. But as I said I personally will be more cautious of any future KS done by Obsidian based on this one. Even if that included Fallout which would have been my weakness game for everything pre-orders KS or anything, now I am a little more unsure.
Thank you for the response though it does go a long way towards helping.
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Who would want to be a game developer aye?
I was reading this today and thought it sounded relevant to this thread
It's often not what you say but how you say it.
Fans are people and they want to be respected and valued.
Treat them like petulant children or imbeciles who know nothing and they're going to turn on you.
Then don't act like a petulant child.
Have I demanded refunds - swore - posted Dank Memes?
No I've been civil even in the face of you and your mates not accepting people not completely loving and excusing the devs - they made a wrong call and their being called out on it. White Knight all you like if people post civilly and are expressing their frustration you should respect their opinions enough to give them leeway to state them.
If I was using names and talking down to you and your ilk then you would have a justification for your hostile treatment but you really don't you come across Stockholm syndrome more than anything.
No, you've ran around whining and complaining that Obsidian won't give you free things for no reason other than you feel entitled to it. You spread misinformation and tell people that Obsidian doesn't care about them--deliberately harming the sales of this game and future sequels just because you don't get treated, like, super-speshul. In the same manner as a petulant child whining about candy, you just keep getting louder and louder the more people refuse to listen to your tantrum, and like a petulant child you accuse anybody who disagrees with you of either not listening or of allying with the side you don't like.
And like a petulant child, when called out on this you just whine harder.
Actually they hurt their own sales.
It's not misinformation - its their friggan actions - people will judge them on their actions no one elses. I can bleat on all I like about how backers are less important than media - but when average Joe - checks and sees that media were given review copies before financial backers he comes his own conclusions.
Granted if I was buying PoE day one and I was demanding a backers rewards you'd have every right to strip me down - I'm not I am saying one aspect of the industry is getting undue favoritism for the wrong reasons. Backers getting the game at the same time as review copies would have hurt absolutely zero people and would have made 100% of all backers happy.
That is unarguable - this decision has not guaranteed any additional sales and has resulted in a percentage of unhappy backers about their treatment - Obsidian made the wrong call and anyone who has even taken a passing glance at the changes occurring in the gaming industry could have told them it was the wrong decision.
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I chose Steam - it makes it easier to keep all my games together.
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Who would want to be a game developer aye?
I was reading this today and thought it sounded relevant to this thread
It's often not what you say but how you say it.
Fans are people and they want to be respected and valued.
Treat them like petulant children or imbeciles who know nothing and they're going to turn on you.
Then don't act like a petulant child.
Have I demanded refunds - swore - posted Dank Memes?
No I've been civil even in the face of you and your mates not accepting people not completely loving and excusing the devs - they made a wrong call and their being called out on it. White Knight all you like if people post civilly and are expressing their frustration you should respect their opinions enough to give them leeway to state them.
If I was using names and talking down to you and your ilk then you would have a justification for your hostile treatment but you really don't you come across Stockholm syndrome more than anything.
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They chose to put the media before backers and the backers on par with first time buyers which is wholly their right to do, but it does by virtue of action mean backers are not important or appreciated by them. We're just ATM's.
That's certainly one way to interpret it, I guess. And while I agree with the complaints that there could have been better communication by times, I certainly don't agree with your interpretation of Obsidian's actions. So I guess you'll be moving on and not bothering with Obsidian or their forums anymore, then?
Depends on the game I bought it may as well play it - the forums are a good place to provide feedback.
That said Obsidian are on my be cautious list.
EA and Ubisoft are on my don't buy list until they remove mandatory 3rd party programs (Uplay and Origin) If I buy it on Steam that should be the only step I should need for playing the game no secondary sign in needed.
Obsidian are great guys and ok Devs but they really need to step up to the plate and start showing fans they appreciate them more. Because they really aren't - yes their games are often outstanding but you only get free passes for so long before people stop caring about you.
Happened to Peter Molyneux really easily and American Mcgee and countless other devs - the truth is if people like me and the others expressing dismay at treatment didn't care we'd just slink away and stop buying their products. The fact we're here telling Obsidian they're doing it wrong (treatment of backers) shows they still matter to us, and if we matter to them they'll listen.
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Who would want to be a game developer aye?
I was reading this today and thought it sounded relevant to this thread
It's often not what you say but how you say it.
Fans are people and they want to be respected and valued.
Treat them like petulant children or imbeciles who know nothing and they're going to turn on you.
Explain things in an adult manner and don't talk down to them and its amazing what your fans will do for you.
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No, getting your copy of the game before release date unlike other customers is most certainly extra stuff.
You WILL get your copy of the game that you paid for, WHEN it is released, JUST like other customers.
Oh so you've dropped the free - now we just need to work on you recognizing extra
Obsidian was given money by backers for essentially an idea on paper with no working model just the reputation of their developers. Now they did what they were paid to do for sure the game is probably complete and a lot less buggy and working well. There is a release date and it is able to be purchased by anyone now.
However a company that really really REALLY likes its fans and backers would have gone above beyond just making the game and filling out orders and let everyone who backed enjoy the game as soon as it became playable. They chose to put the media before backers and the backers on par with first time buyers which is wholly their right to do, but it does by virtue of action mean backers are not important or appreciated by them. We're just ATM's.
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So I am confuse, did the game got release or not?
It was released to the media a week ago - you get to wait because .... well you mean less to Obsidian than the media does and Youtubers with 28 subs.
"NOW! I WANT IT NOW! NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!"
Also, Paradox gave that guy a key, not Obsidian. You can at least bother to read the updates before spouting off bad information.
Which means there were keys viable to play the game - white knight them all you like - they put backers last in their list of priorities.
They're in the wrong here - no matter how pretty they can draw or how nice a story they can write - they're still treating backers like crap.
No, they're not. They're treating backers wonderfully, you're just a self-entitled whiny brat who can't stand not being treated like a super-special snowflake. I'm not white-knighting anybody; I'm correcting your *wrong* information and telling people the actual facts.
I'm telling them the facts too.
The media got copies before backers - because backers mean less than media. If we meant anything to them we would have gotten the same version they got plain and simple.
If you meant anything to them, you'd get extra free stuff just because? Right. That makes sense.
We've been down this road before - a copy of the game I paid for is not free stuff - access to that game at the same time as media is not free stuff. But you know never let logic get in the way of your thinking process.
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Game comes out tomorrow. I'm happy. I've put 50 hours into the backer beta (and even submitted a couple bug reports) and I'm really quite enjoying it now. So I'm looking forward to getting outside the Drywood sandpit.
Really not sure why some folks seem to feel this pre-load thing is a terrible woe.
Some people are on slow internet connections we're talking 100kb connections through no fault of their own just infrastructure the earlier they can start downloading the earlier their download is done and they can play with others on the day instead of waiting for the download to finish - oddly enough they could have had this downloaded a week ago it seems but we're not supposed to point that out .... because ... reasons.
Achievements? I appear to be missing them.
in Pillars of Eternity: Technical Support (Spoiler Warning!)
Posted · Edited by Cymelion
Ok so I checked the store page and it has achievements I clicked on the store page achievements which gave me the global results and selected compare to my own - none were active and on my Library page I am missing the achievements bar.
Is there a fix for this?
I'm not sure what I did wrong - I collected my steam key from the backer portal and installed it fine - the game runs fine - just seem to have achievements disabled and no way to re-enable them.
Image of page included.
Actually it seems that you need to restart Steam for them to show up - I guess I will leave this here incase others have the same issue?