Shadenuat
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Feels like reading a response written by some bot program.
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If gods can't stop each other from re-making established world order by possesing random titans and all the power levels are off/unknown it's even worse for the setting.
Also, the already incoming retcons just prove that the premise was too big to handle to begin with.
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Honestly though, what's up with enchanting recipes. The brains are everywhere. Just to upgrade best 2-handed mace in the game you need what, 4 or 6?
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It was mainly aimed towards people who actually think it's reasonable for us to go and fight a god whose been sucking out souls left and right
There was already a precedent of fighting a god, so even that is not unreasonable. There probably were even a few, i.e White March.
But the reason some people want to see Eothas go down is not because they didn't kill enough gods in JRPGs. What it actually is is a push against one-dimensional main narrative where players don't feel any connection to what is happening and lack any freedom to do anything.
That said, I'm a little disappointed that you truncated the rest of my comment and didn't respond to it. As I mentioned before, the story does respond in-game to the choices you make.
They are irrelevant to main story.
Plus, the faction play is fairly weak. Many players did not feel much connection to them. It's not New Vegas where players were dead set on saving BoS because it represented something special for them, for example, and where whole story indeed was about faction you support.
While I don't like the way people have put it, the underlying concept is accurate. Not everyone plays to just have their "ego stroked," but that's absolutely an element, especially in parts of the RPG community.
Thats what i hate about videogames, they're all about that male fahhntasy
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Yeah, plenty of people play games for instant gratification, as visible in 90% of all mobile games. In which case, they should stop playing OBS games before they ruin it for everyone. For those people, it's not about experiencing a story, it's about having a story constantly affirm and congratulate you for being such a great and important part of it. Which is bloody awful.
It has nothing to do with "egos". You have a very strange idea about people's psychology. Flashing lights, exploding stars and other pachinko-level experiences are not comparable to following a storyline about giant statue. That's a different problem and it lies within realm of immersion and if story is good to explore it's themes correctly or not. If the idea is not to confront the antagonist but to have a revelation from the story, then story didn't do the revelation part correctly. Josh himself arrived to this point at the end of his own post: "maybe I set up story to be told in a poor manner", and is completely correct.
Taevyr already covered this, but the ending slides to show the consequences thing is a classic feature in this kind of RPG
And it's getting exploited.
What's the actual good thing about choice? The ability to live through consequences of that choice. Not to just read about them later.
PS:T for example didn't have any slides, just a single cutscene. Instead of slides you got very long talks with each and every companion who would tell you what they would do after. So slides are not 100% necessary.
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I'm not sure what you mean when you say the game "removes player agency".
Game can't remove anything, but decision to make main narrative about pointless errand which player has no control over did.
it’s pretty easy to deduce that the concern isn’t really about agency or choice, but rather how upset they are they their ego wasn’t sufficiently stroked by the game.
People don't experience stories to have their "egos" "stroked".
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You have no idea what are you talking about.
I mean, the newest DLC allows you to fight god's incarnation in his own realm, make a cloak out of his furry ass and when he still spares your sorry life call him a "jerk".
It's not like gods have still any dignity or mystery left about them, so killing them wouldn't even provide any gratification for players I'd say. They're all a caricature by this point.
Hell, you can have him destroy all life in said choice. It's not exactly well-developed plot-connected agency, but it's definitely a big choice you get to make directly.
Which will be retconned in PoE3.
This choice, by the way, is the best example of how not to give player choices. "You can destroy the world!... at the end of the game using dialogue node followed by a picture".
The epilogue is a story the game tells you about what impact your choices had
Ending slides have nothing to do with the actual game. You can write as many as you want even for almost a linear game. They are the laziest way to add consequences to player's actions and became a crutch for designers - here, we added some slides, so your actions mattered (a-la ME3 ending).
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Press 4 to stay silent to deal with implacable gods
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Says that games should't copy other mediums
Proceeds to remove what makes games unique i.e player's agency
interesting twist Josh.
I now understand why there wasn't Cyric exploding volcanoes on your head in BG though (aside from FR gods/clerics rules). It's too hard to judge god's power in a narrative + it can just become tasteless and raise unnecessary questions.
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But the biggest strike against BG2 for me is that it is a wizard-centric game
PoE is more wizard centric than any IE game ever was.
Developer(s) found one mechanic to rule them all (similar to cooldowns in other modern RPGs) that is good enough at applying spell effects, and used it to apply all other effects in the game, by using same resource mechanic for everyone too.
That level of uniformity is not terrible for pnp games where you need to play fast and all you can do is roll dice, but in a computer game that means that yes, classes mechanically behave the same.
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Just out of curiosity: where is the war? And where is the fanboyism?
The fanboyism is right there in the thread title.
Specifically, if he wanted a fair comparison that concluded he preferred BG2 he could have written a title like "Baldur's Gate 2 vs Deadfire: which games comes out on top?", or "Why I feel BG2 still holds up compared to Deadfire".
But no he wrote Baldur's Gate II is GREATER THAN Deadfire.
"This comparison is unfair because it puts that old game I like less as greater than one I like more"
Fantastic logic m8.
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It's not select all > left click. Most monsters are 16+ level. Final boss has 5500 hp (I hope Obsidian would think of something else next time than that) compared to similar creatures that have ~1500. But after possible beginning difficulty spike (take care of your frost resists) it's the usual, aside from maybe when game surrounds you with archers or throws 4 HoFing barbarians at you. Many (I'd say 60%) encounters are monster closets straight out of DA2.
Eder tanks everything.
Custom made parties would mostly chunk through all though.
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I just noticed one you you Beta testers commented that there are completion timers!?!? EJECT EJECT EJECT!
Oh no
Same reason I never played MoTB what with the Spirit Eater curse timer thing. Same for Tyranny
Quality Obsidian moderator material.
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Also features chaotic evil goblin companion written by Avellone, if man doesn't lie.
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I'd rather have an engaging story, excellent worldbuilding and good writing
What game is that, pray tell
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I'm honestly surprised they didn't go for low hanging fruit of party slowly returning stolen and missing equipment from previous game as it happened in BG2. Double itemization, double amount of clubs.
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There's a lot of fighting but encounters are often not great and they are very disjointed so you never feel like you are going through a series of difficult fights challenging your party to push through more difficult and more difficult things as you change your tactics and equipment to suit challenges better. Gullet underground areas for example are a good example of this done right.
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Conversly Pillars npcs are written as people. You can't sum them up in one sentence
"They are dumb". Hope it helped.
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Because of interrupt system and oddly low stats dragons are total pushovers. Weaker than White March ones or Adra Dragon by far.
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Speaking of changes in patches, I don't understand why skeletons in first dungeon lost their piercing immunity for just 12 p armor.
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welcome to Age of Decadence
no wait.
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Shields provide extra AC, which at higher levels is absolutely meaningless since that dragon is probably going to be rolling 35+ on all of its attack rolls. With that in mind, the one handed weapon is quite limiting since it lacks the damage dice of a two handed one; when this is combined with how pointless AC becomes contributes to shields being worthless.
You mean the difference of 1 point of damage between d8 & d10? You know enchantment is more important and banal shortsword with higher enchantment gives you more backstab damage on averages for example than weapon with higher dice? wtf r u even about I dont even
In bg1, iwd1 and iwd2 you begin at level 1 and having higher ac means a lot.
on higher levels shields provide lots of cool resistances and there are a lot of unique shields with cool properties.
As we should remember, difficulty increases the damage the players take. So at the higher difficulties the player is taking 100% damage from every attack. So if we take that dragon from above and have it attack the party it will do say 12d10 +6, and be able to cast 9th level spells the next round provided the party isn't already dead. Let's face it, they probably are.what are these numbers you pull of your ass and what do they mean in the context of BG2?
Yes the glorious IE games where the difficulty doesn't add enemy health, but instead changes how much damage you take. That's just really like game changing...
Yep.
Because instead of going through 1500 hp boss with stages, with correct tactic you can just melt 'em. This is less tedious.
but you didn't address clerics
What about them? It takes time for them to git good, their buffs can be dispelled, and pure cleric won't get HLA like whirlwind.
Multi-clerics are op ofc. In 3d edition they are also op. But then if you go into pnp with some sort of competetive ideas and join tournaments with broken builds and whine that game with 9000 prestiges is unbalanced you're also wrong.
You did miss a very important sentence though
And u missed the whole title of this topic.
After you learn the game without those mods you easily overpower most of the content post-spellhold. As a newbie I had to reinstall BGT because my kensage kept wrecking everything in the vanilla+fixpack game.
Post-Spellhold is basically endgame content. It's ok since you mastered game at that point. Before that you already can fight most of the stuff you meet there - 2 dragons, illithid, beholder layer, even twisted rune.
Then again, it's true for you, and of course SCS makes vanilla look primitive. But look at other people, for them even vanilla is tedious cheating bosses etc.
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8 double bronzers galleon master race.
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Josh:"The Watcher don't have particular reason to fight Eothas."
in Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire Stories (Spoiler Warning!)
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I'm not sure you know what factually means.