Elerond
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South Africa has never signed or ratified Vienna Convention
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1 hour ago, Malcador said:
Do they not respect the Rule Based International Order ?
Poland that is constantly under threat of getting sanctions from EU, because they don't follow the rules?
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1 hour ago, pmp10 said:
NATO summit in July is slowly closing.
Zelensky threatens to boycott it if Ukraine is not given an 'accession signal'.I wonder what would satisfy Ukraine as major players (US included) oppose membership roadmap at this point.
The expectation was that the offensive would change things but as things stand, it may not even start before then.I think currently it would be enough for Ukraine that NATO officially recognizes their application and invitation to participate in MAP (Membership Action Plan)
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17 hours ago, Sarex said:
They literally did what they were doing for decades now. This is a shift in the western politics. The question to ask would be why now?
Kosovo refused to follow treaty they agreed with EU and USA and Serbia has signaled their interest of closer relationship so it is natural progress that happens in relationships between nations. Those that who benefit country's agenda are good guys and those that cause problems are bad guys
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2 hours ago, Malcador said:
Europe's peaceful for some time (well other than the Yugoslavian wars that everyone seems to forget right now). Probably having failed states on your border like 90s Somalia or Afghanistan or ones in a civil war (CAR's is still going huh) would be much worse.
Europe has not been peaceful for 8000 years, even then it was probably because people had to travel several years in order to bash their neighbors heads.
1900s- there were two world wars, but it was conflict full century
Quote- 1903 Ilinden–Preobrazhenie Uprising
- 1904–1908 Macedonian Struggle
- 1904–1905 Russo-Japanese War
- 1905 Łódź insurrection
- 1905 Revolution of 1905
- 1906–1908 Theriso revolt
- 1907 1907 Romanian Peasants' Revolt
- 1910 Albanian Revolt of 1910
- 1910 5 October 1910 revolution
- 1911 Albanian Revolt of 1911
- 1911–1912 Italo-Turkish War
- 1912 Albanian Revolt of 1912
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1912–1913 Balkan Wars
- 1912–1913 First Balkan War
- 1913 Tikveš Uprising
- 1913 Second Balkan War
- 1913 Ohrid–Debar Uprising
- 1914 Peasant Revolt in Albania
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1914–1918 World War I - 19,174,335 deaths
- 1914 Caucasus Campaign
- 1916 Noemvriana
- 1917 Toplica Uprising
- 1918 Judenburg mutiny
- 1918 Cattaro Mutiny
- 1918 Aster Revolution
- 1918 Radomir Rebellion
- 1918 Finnish Civil War
- 1916 Easter Rising
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1917 Russian Revolution
- 1917 February Revolution
- 1917 July Days
- 1917 Polubotkivtsi uprising
- 1917 Kornilov affair
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1917 October Revolution
- 1917 Junker mutiny
- 1917 Kerensky–Krasnov uprising
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1917–1921 Russian Civil War
- 1917–1918 Red Army invasion of Georgia
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1917–1921 Ukrainian War of Independence
- 1917–1921 Ukrainian–Soviet War
- 1918–1919 Polish–Ukrainian War
- 1918–1924 Left-wing uprisings against the Bolsheviks
- 1918 Left SR uprising
- 1921 Kronstadt rebellion
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1918–1922 Heimosodat
- 1918 Viena expedition
- 1918 Aunus expedition
- 1918–1920 Petsamo expeditions
- 1918–1920 National revolt of Ingrian Finns
- 1921–1922 East Karelian Uprising
- 1918–1920 Estonian War of Independence
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1918–1925 Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War
- 1918–1920 North Russia Intervention
- 1918–1922 Siberian Intervention
- 1918 Georgian–Armenian War
- 1918–1920 Georgian–Ossetian conflict (1918–20)
- 1918–1919 Georgian-Russian conflict over Sochi
- 1918–1920 Armenian–Azerbaijani War
- 1918–1920 Latvian War of Independence
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1918–1920 Lithuanian Wars of Independence
- 1918–1919 Lithuanian–Soviet War
- 1919 Lithuanian War of Independence (War against the Bermontians)
- 1920 Polish–Lithuanian War
- 1919–1921 Polish–Soviet War
- 1921 Georgian–Russian War
- 1924 Georgian Uprising against Soviet Union
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1919–1920 Revolutions and interventions in Hungary (1918–20)
- 1918–1919 Hungarian–Romanian War
- 1918–1919 Hungarian–Czechoslovak War
- 1919 Sejny Uprising
- 1919 Khotyn Uprising
- 1918–1919 Austro-Slovene conflict in Carinthia
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1918–1958 Polish–Czechoslovak border conflicts
- 1919 Polish-Czech war for Teschen Silesia
- 1918–1919 German Revolution
- 1918–1919 Greater Poland Uprising
- 1919–1922 Greco-Turkish War
- 1918–1921 Franco-Turkish War
- 1920 Armenian-Turkish War
- 1919 Christmas Uprising
- 1919–1920 Unrest in Split
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1919–1921 Silesian Uprisings
- 1919 First Silesian Uprising
- 1920 Second Silesian Uprising
- 1921 Third Silesian Uprising
- 1919–1922 Irish War of Independence
- 1920 Husino rebellion
- 1920 Vlora War
- 1920 Kapp Putsch
- 1920 Ruhr Uprising
- 1920 Slutsk Defence Action
- 1920–1924 Biennio Rosso
- 1921 Uprising in West Hungary
- 1921 February Uprising
- 1921 Charles IV of Hungary's attempts to retake the throne
- 1922–1923 Irish Civil War
- 1923 Corfu incident
- 1923 September Uprising
- 1923 Klaipėda Revolt
- 1923 Leonardopoulos–Gargalidis coup d'état attempt
- 1924 1924 Estonian coup d'état attempt
- 1924 August Uprising
- 1925 Incident at Petrich
- 1932 Mäntsälä rebellion
- 1933 Casas Viejas incident
- 1933 Anarchist uprising in Spain (1933)
- 1934 Asturian miners' strike of 1934
- 1934 Austrian Civil War
- 1935 1935 Greek coup d'état attempt
- 1936–1939 Spanish Civil War
- 1938 1938 Greek coup d'état attempt
- 1939 German occupation of Czechoslovakia
- 1939 Hungarian invasion of Carpatho-Ukraine
- 1939 Italian invasion of Albania
- 1939–1965 Spanish Maquis
- 1939-1940 S-Plan
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1939–1945 World War II
- 1939 Nazi German invasion of Poland
- 1939 Soviet invasion of Poland
- 1939–1940 Winter War(Soviet invasion of Finland)
- 1940 Phoney War
- 1940 Operation Weserübung
- 1940 Norwegian campaign
- 1940 Invasion of Luxembourg
- 1940 Battle of the Netherlands
- 1940 Battle of Belgium
- 1940 Battle of France
- 1940 Italian invasion of France
- 1940 Soviet invasion of the Baltic States
- 1940 Soviet occupation of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina
- 1940 Battle of Britain
- 1940–1941 Greco-Italian War
- 1941–1945 Soviet–German War
- 1941–1945 Yugoslav anti-fascist resistance movement
- 1941–1944 Continuation War
- 1941 Uprising in Montenegro
- 1942 Case Blue
- 1942-1944 Northern Campaign
- 1942–1956 Ukrainian Insurgent Army
- 1943 Italian Campaign
- 1944 Operation Market Garden
- 1944 Warsaw Uprising
- 1944 Western Allied invasion of Germany
- 1944-1945 Lapland War
- 1944-1945 Slovak National Uprising
- 1944-1945 Liberation of France
- 1944-1945 Battle of the Bulge
- 1945 Second Battle of the Alps
- 1945 Battle of Berlin
- 1944–1956 Guerrilla war in the Baltic states
- 1945–1949 Greek Civil War
- 1946–1948 Corfu Channel incident
- 1947–1962 Romanian anti-communist resistance movement
- 1953 Uprising in East Germany
- 1955-1959 Cyprus Emergency
- 1956 Uprising in Poznań
- 1956 Hungarian Revolution
- 1956–1962 Operation Harvest
- 1958 First Cod War
- 1959–2011 Basque conflict
- 1967 Greek coup d'état
- 1968 Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia
- 1968–1998 The Troubles
- 1970–1984 Unrest in Italy
- 1972–1973 Second Cod War
- 1974 Turkish invasion of Cyprus
- 1974 Carnation Revolution
- 1975 Coup of 25 November 1975
- 1975–1976 Third Cod War
- 1976–2016 Corsican conflict
- 1981 Spanish coup d'état attempt
- 1986 Evros River incident
- 1988-1994 First Nagorno-Karabakh War
- 1989 Romanian Revolution
- 1990–1991 Soviet attacks on Lithuanian border posts
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1990 Transnistria conflict
- 1990–1992 Transnistria War
- 1991 January Events
- 1991 The Barricades
- 1990 Log Revolution
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1991–2001 Yugoslav Wars
- 1991 Ten-Day War
- 1991–1995 Croatian War of Independence
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1992–1995 Bosnian War
- 1992–1994 Croat–Bosniak War
- 1998–1999 Kosovo War
- 1999–2001 Insurgency in the Preševo Valley
- 2001 2001 insurgency in Macedonia
- 1991–1992 Georgian war against Russo-Ossetian alliance
- 1991–1993 Georgian Civil War
- 1992 East Prigorodny Conflict
- 1992–1993 War in Abkhazia
- 1993 1993 Cherbourg incident
- 1993 1993 Russian constitutional crisis
- 1995–1996 Imia/Kardak military crisis
- 1997–1998 Cyprus Missile Crisis
- 1997 Albanian civil war of 1997
- 1997–present Dissident Irish Republican campaign
- 1998 Six-Day War of Abkhazia
As we can see not many conflict free years there
List does not have Conflicts involving European states that happened outside of European continent
And current century is not any better
Quote- 2001 Georgia, Kodori crisis
- 2001 Insurgency in the Republic of Macedonia
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2004–2013 Unrest in Kosovo
- 2004 2004 unrest in Kosovo
- 2008 2008 unrest in Kosovo
- 2011–2013 North Kosovo crisis
- 2004 Georgia, Adjara crisis
- 2004 Georgia, South Ossetia clashes
- 2006 Georgia, Kodori crisis
- 2008 Russo-Georgian war
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2014–present Russo-Ukrainian War (outline)
- 2014 Pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine
- 2014–present Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation
- 2014–present Russo-Ukrainian War
- 2021–2022 Russo-Ukrainian crisis
- 2022–present Russian invasion of Ukraine
- 2020 Second Nagorno-Karabakh war
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12 hours ago, Sarex said:
What that article does not mention is that the protestors were sitting with their hands up when the KFOR started to disperse them with tear gas and stun grenades. I was under the impression that KFOR was supposed to prevent conflict and not start it, especially when the news outlets are condemning the Albanians for their actions. Go figure...
It is currently Hungarian forces turn
Who have practiced civil and de-escalating tactics past 8 years on Hungarian borders
from which this article gives an example
https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/on-the-hungarian-border-no-refugee-escapes-violence/
and Hungarians are supported by Italians who also have practiced how to be human towards people when they have handled refugees coming from Africa with boats.
Somehow these troops don't start to use different tactics when their command moves from their government to international organization where there is even less oversight.
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1 hour ago, Malcador said:
Who among us has not at least once in their life done $3 billion dollar accounting mistake?
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5 minutes ago, Gfted1 said:
Im not fully following the details of the latest bombardment. Afaik, Ukraine has a total of two Patriot batteries (one from US, one from Germany) and each battery holds a maximum of four interceptors at once. Even if Ukraine had both batteries parked on top of each other, how did they rip of 20+ interceptors?
In my understanding they have two full patriot systems one from USA and one from Germany.
Which both have control station, radar system, communication system, mobile energy plant and several 4/8/12/16 missile launchers that together form an artillery battery unit.
Although media coverage about Ukraine's Patriots probably causes confusion as they are calling both artillery battery unit and single patriot launcher as patriot batteries in their reporting and it is often difficult to tell which they are referring to.
That video that show air defense in Kyiv there were over 30 missiles/rockets launched by air defense from multiple locations and they seemed to be multiple different types based on how big light circle around them is and how fast they move. It is unlikely that they were all launched by patriot system, because launched happen in two short bursts which had only six minutes between them. I think it is unlikely that Ukraine has currently capacity to shoot over 30 patriot missiles in 7 minutes, because that would need quite lot launchers and both Germany and USA have usually gifted only couple systems at time when they send something to Ukraine. I also don't think that Germany or USA supplied Ukraine multiple different type patriot missiles for those few launchers they gave them. So I think most of the missiles seen on the video are probably from Ukraine's S300 or Bulk systems or from NASAMS systems that Norway gifted to Ukraine last year or from Crotale systems that France gifted Ukraine
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1 hour ago, Malcador said:
Turkish elections look close.
I guess if Erdogan does lose, Turkey's going to fall in line with US wishes at least NATO wise ?
Difficult to say as Erdogan has ruled Turkey for 20 years, so it is difficult to predict what opposition will do in case they get in power.
But currently it looks like that Erdogan predictably will get keep his power and predictably all polls that before election said that opposition has lead were wrong. So it seems that Turkey continues to do what it has done past 20 years
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Little correction, Saudi-Arabia bought 300 MIM-104E GEM-T (2018 upgrade version of PAC-2) Patriot missiles with 3 Billion and dollars (so only ~10 million dollars each ), deal included separate sale of THAAD missiles to UEA worth of 2.25 billion dollars.
Single MIM-104E GEM-T is enough to shoot down any drone, ballistic/cruise missile, but problem is targeting. Saudi-Arabia uses their own variants of Patriot launchers and radars. If Saudi-Arabia needs to shoot multiple missiles to ensure interception, there is probably issues in how well their radars can identify targets and their trajectories and how fell their fire control coordinate launch to launcher in best position to intercept. Missiles' own guidance system can do only limited amount to redirect it if original targeting was wrong.
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1 hour ago, Zoraptor said:
The Saudis were at times firing entire batteries of Patriots to take down one ancient Scud though, hence their constant requests for more missiles.
That seem bit expensive to shoot 16 missiles to intercept one, when you are paying 5 billion dollars for 300 missiles.
Maybe Saudi's should upgrade their targeting systems.
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7 hours ago, Malcador said:
Funny headline, I forget Ukraine is master of us all. I don't know why there's such a fuss over it, is a monthly rotation and I don't think they get any fancy powers or such and even if they did, the vetoes exist
As president they will call up council meetings and select most of the agenda that council will address in their meetings. And their job is to oversee any crisis and keep other council members up to date. So council will probably not even talk about the Ukraine's situation.
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12 hours ago, Gromnir said:
we need do this again, eh? didn't we discuss this a few years ago?
example: we specific brought up speech, and speech is protected in the German Constitution (Article 5) but not the way an American would recognize such protections... 'cause land of the free and all that. we just offered an example how german doctors were criminalized if they offered abortion advice previous to 2022, yes?
keep in mind that on paper both the russian and chinesse have constitutions protecting far more freedoms than does the US Constitution.
Article 35 Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration.
Article 31. Citizens of the Russian Federation shall have the right to gather peacefully, without weapons, and to hold meetings, rallies, demonstrations, marches and pickets.
the difference is the US Constitution does in fact protect offensive speech, hate speech, nazi marches and cartoons o' mohmmad. even if is incidental regulation, we got a strict scrutiny standard which does not exist in germany much less in russia or china.
in the US, the government (fed/state/local) may only limit speech if it has a compelling state interest and the means o' enforcement must needs be the least restrictive possible.
we can go through examples and case law (again) but this should all be well trod. US standard for Constitutional protections creates a greater limit on government action than exists for speech, free exercise o' religion and a host o' other liberties.
copy and paste the words is not meaningful in and of itself.
HA! Good Fun!
US constitution protects those rights as well as Russian's constitutions. as long as people in power are willing to abide their laws.
There seem to appear more and more censorship laws all around US these days. And they don't target offensive speech or hate speech but educational speech. So US constitution seems to become more and more a paper that just promises rights and protections but is overruled by state governments left and right. And people's respect towards US supreme court also seems to be in heavy decline which does not bode well for constitutional protections.
Legally Germany has constitution that offers some of best protections for people's rights as it forbids changing those rights, but does not prevent courts interpreting those rights as limited.
But for example Germany is far ahead US when it comes to freedom of press, so there seems to be somethings that Germany's constitution (or culture) has succeed to protect better than US constitution.
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46 minutes ago, Gromnir said:
kinda proving one o' our points with this bit. in the US we got Constitutional limits which is non existent in germany.
Germany's constitution puts lots of limits for government and making amendments to it needs very unified Germany and it forbids amendments to basics rights, which are defined in eternity clause to make them 'eternal'
German constitutional rights which can't be changed by democratic process
QuoteArticle 1
[Human dignity – Human rights – Legally binding force of basic rights](1) Human dignity shall be inviolable. To respect and protect it shall be the duty of all state authority.
(2) The German people therefore acknowledge inviolable and inalienable human rights as the basis of every community, of peace and of justice in the world.
(3) The following basic rights shall bind the legislature, the executive and the judiciary as directly applicable law.
Article 2
[Personal freedoms](1) Every person shall have the right to free development of his personality insofar as he does not violate the rights of others or offend against the constitutional order or the moral law.
(2) Every person shall have the right to life and physical integrity. Freedom of the person shall be inviolable. These rights may be interfered with only pursuant to a law.
Article 3
[Equality before the law](1) All persons shall be equal before the law.
(2) Men and women shall have equal rights. The state shall promote the actual implementation of equal rights for women and men and take steps to eliminate disadvantages that now exist.
(3) No person shall be favoured or disfavoured because of sex, parentage, race, language, homeland and origin, faith or religious or political opinions. No person shall be disfavoured because of disability.
Article 4
[Freedom of faith and conscience](1) Freedom of faith and of conscience and freedom to profess a religious or philosophical creed shall be inviolable.
(2) The undisturbed practice of religion shall be guaranteed.
(3) No person shall be compelled against his conscience to render military service involving the use of arms. Details shall be regulated by a federal law.
Article 5
[Freedom of expression, arts and sciences](1) Every person shall have the right freely to express and disseminate his opinions in speech, writing and pictures and to inform himself without hindrance from generally accessible sources. Freedom of the press and freedom of reporting by means of broadcasts and films shall be guaranteed. There shall be no censorship.
(2) These rights shall find their limits in the provisions of general laws, in provisions for the protection of young persons and in the right to personal honour.
(3) Arts and sciences, research and teaching shall be free. The freedom of teaching shall not release any person from allegiance to the constitution.
Article 6
[Marriage – Family – Children](1) Marriage and the family shall enjoy the special protection of the state.
(2) The care and upbringing of children is the natural right of parents and a duty primarily incumbent upon them. The state shall watch over them in the performance of this duty.
(3) Children may be separated from their families against the will of their parents or guardians only pursuant to a law and only if the parents or guardians fail in their duties or the children are otherwise in danger of serious neglect.
(4) Every mother shall be entitled to the protection and care of the community.
(5) Children born outside of marriage shall be provided by legislation with the same opportunities for physical and mental development and for their position in society as are enjoyed by those born within marriage.
Article 7
[School system](1) The entire school system shall be under the supervision of the state.
(2) Parents and guardians shall have the right to decide whether children shall receive religious instruction.
(3) Religious instruction shall form part of the regular curriculum in state schools, with the exception of non-denominational schools. Without prejudice to the state’s right of supervision, religious instruction shall be given in accordance with the tenets of the religious community concerned. Teachers may not be obliged against their will to give religious instruction.
(4) The right to establish private schools shall be guaranteed. Private schools that serve as alternatives to state schools shall require the approval of the state and shall be subject to the laws of the Länder. Such approval shall be given when private schools are not inferior to the state schools in terms of their educational aims, their facilities or the professional training of their teaching staff and when segregation of pupils according to the means of their parents will not be encouraged thereby. Approval shall be withheld if the economic and legal position of the teaching staff is not adequately assured.
(5) A private elementary school shall be approved only if the education authority finds that it serves a special educational interest or if, on the application of parents or guardians, it is to be established as a denominational or interdenominational school or as a school based on a particular philosophy and no state elementary school of that type exists in the municipality.
(6) Preparatory schools shall remain abolished.
Article 8
[Freedom of assembly](1) All Germans shall have the right to assemble peacefully and unarmed without prior notification or permission.
(2) In the case of outdoor assemblies, this right may be restricted by or pursuant to a law.
Article 9
[Freedom of association](1) All Germans shall have the right to form societies and other associations.
(2) Associations whose aims or activities contravene the criminal laws or that are directed against the constitutional order or the concept of international understanding shall be prohibited.
(3) The right to form associations to safeguard and improve working and economic conditions shall be guaranteed to every individual and to every occupation or profession. Agreements that restrict or seek to impair this right shall be null and void; measures directed to this end shall be unlawful. Measures taken pursuant to Article 12a, to paragraphs (2) and (3) of Article 35, to paragraph (4) of Article 87a or to Article 91 may not be directed against industrial disputes engaged in by associations within the meaning of the first sentence of this paragraph in order to safeguard and improve working and economic conditions.
Article 10
[Privacy of correspondence, posts and telecommunications](1) The privacy of correspondence, posts and telecommunications shall be inviolable.
(2) Restrictions may be ordered only pursuant to a law. If the restriction serves to protect the free democratic basic order or the existence or security of the Federation or of a Land, the law may provide that the person affected shall not be informed of the restriction and that recourse to the courts shall be replaced by a review of the case by agencies and auxiliary agencies appointed by the legislature.
Article 11
[Freedom of movement](1) All Germans shall have the right to move freely throughout the federal territory.
(2) This right may be restricted only by or pursuant to a law, and only in cases in which the absence of adequate means of support would result in a particular burden for the community, or in which such restriction is necessary to avert an imminent danger to the existence or the free democratic basic order of the Federation or of a Land, to combat the danger of an epidemic, to respond to a grave accident or natural disaster, to protect young persons from serious neglect or to prevent crime.
Article 12
[Occupational freedom](1) All Germans shall have the right freely to choose their occupation or profession, their place of work and their place of training. The practice of an occupation or profession may be regulated by or pursuant to a law.
(2) No person may be required to perform work of a particular kind except within the framework of a traditional duty of community service that applies generally and equally to all.
(3) Forced labour may be imposed only on persons deprived of their liberty by the judgment of a court.
Article 12a
[Compulsory military and alternative civilian service](1) Men who have attained the age of eighteen may be required to serve in the Armed Forces, in the Federal Border Police, or in a civil defence organisation.
(2) Any person who, on grounds of conscience, refuses to render military service involving the use of arms may be required to perform alternative service. The duration of alternative service shall not exceed that of military service. Details shall be regulated by a law, which shall not interfere with the freedom to make a decision in accordance with the dictates of conscience and which shall also provide for the possibility of alternative service not connected with units of the Armed Forces or of the Federal Border Police.
(3) Persons liable to compulsory military service who are not called upon to render service pursuant to paragraph (1) or (2) of this Article may, when a state of defence is in effect, be assigned by or pursuant to a law to employment involving civilian services for defence purposes, including the protection of the civilian population; they may be assigned to public employment only for the purpose of discharging police functions or such other sovereign functions of public administration as can be discharged only by persons employed in the public service. The employment contemplated by the first sentence of this paragraph may include services within the Armed Forces, in the provision of military supplies or with public administrative authorities; assignments to employment connected with supplying and servicing the civilian population shall be permissible only to meet their basic requirements or to guarantee their safety.
(4) If, during a state of defence, the need for civilian services in the civilian health system or in stationary military hospitals cannot be met on a voluntary basis, women between the age of eighteen and fifty-five may be called upon to render such services by or pursuant to a law. Under no circumstances may they be required to render service involving the use of arms.
(5) Prior to the existence of a state of defence, assignments under paragraph (3) of this Article may be made only if the requirements of paragraph (1) of Article 80a are met. In preparation for the provision of services under paragraph (3) of this Article that demand special knowledge or skills, participation in training courses may be required by or pursuant to a law. In this case the first sentence of this paragraph shall not apply.
(6) If, during a state of defence, the need for workers in the areas specified in the second sentence of paragraph (3) of this Article cannot be met on a voluntary basis, the right of German citizens to abandon their occupation or place of employment may be restricted by or pursuant to a law in order to meet this need. Prior to the existence of a state of defence, the first sentence of paragraph (5) of this Article shall apply, mutatis mutandis.
Article 13
[Inviolability of the home](1) The home is inviolable.
(2) Searches may be authorised only by a judge or, when time is of the essence, by other authorities designated by the laws and may be carried out only in the manner therein prescribed.
(3) If particular facts justify the suspicion that any person has committed an especially serious crime specifically defined by a law, technical means of acoustical surveillance of any home in which the suspect is supposedly staying may be employed pursuant to judicial order for the purpose of prosecuting the offence, provided that alternative methods of investigating the matter would be disproportionately difficult or unproductive. The authorisation shall be for a limited time. The order shall be issued by a panel composed of three judges. When time is of the essence, it may also be issued by a single judge.
(4) To avert acute dangers to public safety, especially dangers to life or to the public, technical means of surveillance of the home may be employed only pursuant to judicial order. When time is of the essence, such measures may also be ordered by other authorities designated by a law; a judicial decision shall subsequently be obtained without delay.
(5) If technical means are contemplated solely for the protection of persons officially deployed in a home, the measure may be ordered by an authority designated by a law. The information thereby obtained may be otherwise used only for purposes of criminal prosecution or to avert danger and only if the legality of the measure has been previously determined by a judge; when time is of the essence, a judicial decision shall subsequently be obtained without delay.
(6) The Federal Government shall report to the Bundestag annually as to the employment of technical means pursuant to paragraph (3) and, within the jurisdiction of the Federation, pursuant to paragraph (4) and, insofar as judicial approval is required, pursuant to paragraph (5) of this Article. A panel elected by the Bundestag shall exercise parliamentary oversight on the basis of this report. A comparable parliamentary oversight shall be afforded by the Länder.
(7) Interferences and restrictions shall otherwise only be permissible to avert a danger to the public or to the life of an individual or, pursuant to a law, to confront an acute danger to public safety and order, in particular to relieve an accommodation shortage, to combat the danger of an epidemic or to protect young persons at risk.
Article 14
[Property – Inheritance – Expropriation](1) Property and the right of inheritance shall be guaranteed. Their content and limits shall be defined by the laws.
(2) Property entails obligations. Its use shall also serve the public good.
(3) Expropriation shall only be permissible for the public good. It may only be ordered by or pursuant to a law that determines the nature and extent of compensation. Such compensation shall be determined by establishing an equitable balance between the public interest and the interests of those affected. In case of dispute concerning the amount of compensation, recourse may be had to the ordinary courts.
Article 15
[Nationalisation]Land, natural resources and means of production may, for the purpose of nationalisation, be transferred to public ownership or other forms of public enterprise by a law that determines the nature and extent of compensation. With respect to such compensation the third and fourth sentences of paragraph (3) of Article 14 shall apply, mutatis mutandis.
Article 16
[Citizenship – Extradition](1) No German may be deprived of his citizenship. Loss of citizenship may occur only pursuant to a law and, if it occurs against the will of the person affected, only if he does not become stateless as a result.
(2) No German may be extradited to a foreign country. The law may provide otherwise for extraditions to a member state of the European Union or to an international court, provided that the rule of law is observed.
Article 16a
[Right of asylum](1) Persons persecuted on political grounds shall have the right of asylum.
(2) Paragraph (1) of this Article may not be invoked by a person who enters the federal territory from a member state of the European Communities or from another third state in which application of the Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and of the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms is assured. The states outside the European Communities to which the conditions referred to in the first sentence of this paragraph apply shall be specified by a law requiring the consent of the Bundesrat. In the cases specified in the first sentence of this paragraph, measures to terminate an applicant’s stay may be implemented without regard to any legal challenge that may have been instituted against them.
(3) By a law requiring the consent of the Bundesrat, states may be specified in which, on the basis of their laws, enforcement practices and general political conditions, it can be safely concluded that neither political persecution nor inhuman or degrading punishment or treatment exists. It shall be presumed that a foreigner from such a state is not persecuted, unless he presents evidence justifying the conclusion that, contrary to this presumption, he is persecuted on political grounds.
(4) In the cases specified by paragraph (3) of this Article and in other cases that are plainly unfounded or considered to be plainly unfounded, the implementation of measures to terminate an applicant’s stay may be suspended by a court only if serious doubts exist as to their legality; the scope of review may be limited, and tardy objections may be disregarded. Details shall be determined by a law.
(5) Paragraphs (1) to (4) of this Article shall not preclude the conclusion of international agreements of member states of the European Communities with each other or with those third states which, with due regard for the obligations arising from the Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, whose enforcement must be assured in the contracting states, adopt rules conferring jurisdiction to decide on applications for asylum, including the reciprocal recognition of asylum decisions.
Article 17
[Right of petition]Every person shall have the right individually or jointly with others to address written requests or complaints to competent authorities and to the legislature.
Article 17a
[Restriction of basic rights in specific instances](1) Laws regarding military and alternative service may provide that the basic right of members of the Armed Forces and of alternative service freely to express and disseminate their opinions in speech, writing and pictures (first clause of the first sentence of paragraph (1) of Article 5), the basic right of assembly (Article
and the right of petition (Article 17), insofar as it permits the submission of requests or complaints jointly with others, be restricted during their period of military or alternative service.
(2) Laws regarding defence, including protection of the civilian population, may provide for restriction of the basic rights of freedom of movement (Article 11) and inviolability of the home (Article 13).
Article 18
[Forfeiture of basic rights]Whoever abuses the freedom of expression, in particular the freedom of the press (paragraph (1) of Article 5), the freedom of teaching (paragraph (3) of Article 5), the freedom of assembly (Article 8), the freedom of association (Article 9), the privacy of correspondence, posts and telecommunications (Article 10), the rights of property (Article 14) or the right of asylum (Article 16a) in order to combat the free democratic basic order shall forfeit these basic rights. This forfeiture and its extent shall be declared by the Federal Constitutional Court.
Article 19
[Restriction of basic rights – Legal remedies](1) Insofar as, under this Basic Law, a basic right may be restricted by or pursuant to a law, such law must apply generally and not merely to a single case. In addition, the law must specify the basic right affected and the Article in which it appears.
(2) In no case may the essence of a basic right be affected.
(3) The basic rights shall also apply to domestic legal persons to the extent that the nature of such rights permits.
(4) Should any person’s rights be violated by public authority, he may have recourse to the courts. If no other jurisdiction has been established, recourse shall be to the ordinary courts. The second sentence of paragraph (2) of Article 10 shall not be affected by this paragraph.
II. The Federation and the Länder
Article 20
[Constitutional principles – Right of resistance](1) The Federal Republic of Germany is a democratic and social federal state.
(2) All state authority is derived from the people. It shall be exercised by the people through elections and other votes and through specific legislative, executive and judicial bodies.
(3) The legislature shall be bound by the constitutional order, the executive and the judiciary by law and justice.
(4) All Germans shall have the right to resist any person seeking to abolish this constitutional order if no other remedy is available.
Article 20a
[Protection of the natural foundations of life and animals]Mindful also of its responsibility towards future generations, the state shall protect the natural foundations of life and animals by legislation and, in accordance with law and justice, by executive and judicial action, all within the framework of the constitutional order.
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Not sure how much better pictures you get from high altitude balloon than satellite
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He seem to want to annex parts or even whole Bosnia and Herzegovina to Croatia, remove political rights from Bosnians. He for example put ultimatum that Croatia will not support Finland's and Sweden's Nato membership if west does not support special rights for Bosnia and Herzegovina's Croats, although Croatian government just ignored his statements.
So it should not be surprise that he has warm feelings to like minded leaders.
Even though what is said is reported by our news they are mostly just ignored by people as president doesn't hold much of real power in Croatian . Prime minister leads the government, which holds power to do any meaningful decisions.
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8 hours ago, pmp10 said:
Not new T90s or BMP3s certainly, but by now they have mobilized the industry and are refurbishing T62s and BMP2s.
They use same facilities to refurbish than they use to build new ones. Refurbishing is faster, although that depends lots of how long vehicle has been in storage, but still they don't have known facilities even refurbish their stored vehicles in that speed.
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23 minutes ago, pmp10 said:
So the summary of heavy weapon pledges at and shortly before Ramstein are about:
~170* soviet tanks
375 western and soviet IFVs
1000 western APCs
200 mostly western artillery pieces (half self-propelled)Not bad, but (artillery aside) this will cover roughly 3 months of serious fighting.
Ironically this should also be about what Russia can produce in 3 months.* depending on what Poland has in mind and what the Czech delivery schedule is
Russia has not capacity to produce 170 tanks or 375 IFVs in 3 months.
Russia's own estimate of their production capacity is 200-250 tanks in year, from which most are T-72 variables.
Highest known number of produced tanks in Russia after year 1993 has been 175 in 2008, which was more than rest of the world combined in that year (most of them were produced to for other countries mainly India).
Even though Russia has facilities to produce quite lot tanks in year, it is questioned if they have enough components to do them as their production lines have relied to Western especially German components.
Soviet Union and Russia were able to produce 339 BMP-3s between 1987-1994 and Russia ,as far as is known, has not increased their BMP-3 production capacity. They also are capable to produce BMP-1 and BMP-2 variants but not so much that they could produce 375 IFVs in 3 months.
Russia has produced ~900 self-propelled artilleries (889 2S19 Msta variants and 10-30 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV) between 1988 and now, so they probably can't make 200 of them in 3 months especially when 2S19 Msta are build on same facilities as T-72s causing need to decide which they will if they want to make both tanks and self-propelled artilleries
APC is so general term that it is probably possible to produce 1000 vehicles that you could call APC in 3 months.
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16 hours ago, Lexx said:
I habe absolutely no idea why they don't want to send tanks. None of the arguments make sense to me. I guess russia really must have some serious dirt on them for this to go that way.
Swiss news paper speculated that reason behind Germany's reluctance is that Rheinmetall is updating their production facilities to produce their new Panther KF51, and their don't currently have capacity of replace tanks donated to Ukraine and they fear that they will lose European market to General Dynamics, which is probably reason why Germany wants US to donate their tanks too, so that General Dynamics needs to replace those first before they can start to poach Rheinmetall's customers.
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1 hour ago, Lexx said:
I'm really curious what triggered this change of minds.
Two members of Finland's parliament started to campaign for pan EU effort to give Leopard 2s to Ukraine in late last year and they were successful in their efforts to find allies all around and not least among German security policy pundits. But as giving Leopards to Ukraine needs permission from Germany and support from Krauss-Maffei, which has now lead to free Leopards campaign in Germany.
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3 hours ago, xzar_monty said:
A video report on it below.
And here's a link to an HRW article on one way that Russia uses surveillance technology right now: https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/10/26/russia-uses-facial-recognition-hunt-down-draft-evaders
Interesting thing is that facial recognition tech they use was developed by group of Russian hackers that first used it to dox Russian porn actress in order to shame/black mail them, but now it is used to find people who were first gleeful when it was released.
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7 hours ago, Zoraptor said:
Both the countries relevant to this thread, and the one actually specified, celebrate on January 7th though. Not really necessary to specify which branch of the Orthodox church in those circumstances unless you're really being picky about things.
Yeah, Romania/ Bulgaria/ Greece and some others celebrate on Dec 25th, but then your argument is "but what about Greece, Romania or Bulgaria?" and, well, we all know what happens then.
My original point was that Ukraine's Orthodox announced calendar reform 24th of December of this year (according to Gregorian calendar), that they will switch to use Gregorian calendar (Of course full calendar reform probably will take sometime). So in future Russian orthodox church will be last major orthodox church that will use Julian calendar.
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7 hours ago, Zoraptor said:
hah, serves me right for being a smart arse while not checking.
To be finicky, not much Ukrainian Orthodox presence at Christmas time, in Russia, though.
Both the Ukrainian Orthodox churches still use Gregorian, at the moment. UOC allows services on Dec 25th though, as of this year.
Do you mean Julian?
Question does it matter if Russia does not have much of Ukrainian Orthodox, in case of thinking that "since they're Orthodox." is explanation for something when Orthodox churches have started to split which calendar they use? Orthodox like all Christians celebrate Christmas December 25th, but Orthodox churches didn't switch to use Gregorian calendar, when it was released probably because it was done by Catholic church. 25th of December by Julian calendar currently hits to January 7th in Gregorian calendar (date is slowly moving towards summer because Julian calendar does not have leap years to even out fact that Earth doe not go around the Sun in 365 days, but in 365.256 days).
and the right of petition (Article 17), insofar as it permits the submission of requests or complaints jointly with others, be restricted during their period of military or alternative service.
Ukraine Conflict - conflict continues
in Way Off-Topic
Posted
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/23/wagner-chief-accuses-russias-military-of-attack-and-says-evil-leadership-must-be-stopped
Seem that Prigozhin's relationship with Kreml has cooled down