Grimlorn
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I know the difference between opinion and fact. I know it's my opinion. Some opinions are better and more informed than others.[stop writing this. ITS YOUR OPINION, pal. Not a general truth. Deal with it
But you should take a step back and ask yourself why my opinion upsets you so much. Is it because you got so much joy out of your relationships with NPCs in games. Seems kind of unhealthy to me.
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And if you knew their opinions from reading their interviews then you'd know their opinion matches up with the minority. And that's that.Romances are bad in RPGs.
Well... that's your opinion. You can say it again, but that doesn't make it a fact.
And your opinion is in 1/3 minority. You can assume only crazy game romance addicts come and vote here, but you know what assuming does, right?
Now Obsidian can make the game they want, if they'd do everything according to polls here and elsewhere, it'd be a really strange and bad game.
But if they want the public opinion, it's right there on the poll stats.
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I think you're projecting and you should take your own advice. I never implied the world did. I've been saying it's Obsidian's choice and that they're not fans of them and it's pretty obvious they're pretty bad in general. You're just upset because you might not be getting your romances. There's always DA3. And if you can't wait for that, you can fire up the Witcher and look at your sex cards.o
Not all Obsidian games and they were bad in those too. And they probably had to include them because publishers wanted them.you are a sad little man. all the obsidian games had romance in them, why is it so outrageous to assume that this one will as well?
h the evil publisher is at fault when a game has features i dont like, nevermind all the other fans that appreciate said feature and the devs who felt they wanted to include it
you need to realize that the world doesnt revolve around yourself
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Not all Obsidian games and they were bad in those too. And they probably had to include them because publishers wanted them.you are a sad little man. all the obsidian games had romance in them, why is it so outrageous to assume that this one will as well?
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There was a poll on the Bioware forums about this. About 80% voted yes. So you can see what we're dealing with and what Bioware has done to gaming with "romances".Are Bioware fans all homosexuals? I'm genuinely curious.
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Let's be real. They're just a bunch of ME and DA fans from Bioware who are emotionally engaged by those relationships in their games. They just want more because they're lonely addicts or something.@ Grimlorn
You are a strange person. You don't seem to remember or understand your own posts
This is a RPG. Not a sex/social simulator for deviants who can't build a relationship in real life.
This is clearly an insult, you are suggesting that people that want sex in the game must be sexual deviants
I admit I am a sexual deviant. I watch porn and go to stripclubs. But I can understand why others would be insulted as this is not a positive view for many
Secondly you seem to think that your definition of an RPG is sacrosanct and we can't deviate from it. You say that your view of romances in RPG is fact, its not. Its your opinion and subjective.
What is fact is that the poll is clearly showing that most people want sex and relationships in this game.
So you need to deal with it, sorry
Most people posting on these forums at this moment. So not a lot of people, in truth.
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Thanks for proving my point about the deviant thing?@ Grimlorn
You are a strange person. You don't seem to remember or understand your own posts
This is a RPG. Not a sex/social simulator for deviants who can't build a relationship in real life.
This is clearly an insult, you are suggesting that people that want sex in the game must be sexual deviants
I admit I am a sexual deviant. I watch porn and go to stripclubs. But I can understand why others would be insulted as this is not a positive view for many
Secondly you seem to think that your definition of an RPG is sacrosanct and we can't deviate from it. You say that your view of romances in RPG is fact, its not. Its your opinion and subjective.
What is fact is that the poll is clearly showing that most people want sex and relationships in this game.
So you need to deal with it, sorry
Like I said earlier, it doesn't matter what 200 people out of 30k want. This is Obsidian's game, not the people's. You donate they create the game they want. They aren't obligated to put romances in based on 300 person poll. And they don't like romances. Romances are bad in RPGs. They've never really been good. It boggles my mind that people can't see this, but my guess is they're too busy fantasizing about a sexual relationship with an inanimate object. It's weird.
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You can't satisfy everyone. You'd be a fool to try. That's why all this PC stuff never makes sense. It's just cultural herd mentality.I vote for all of the above. I believe romances, when well played, enhance the story. And it's good to have choices so that everyone is satisfied.
On a side note, has anyone thought of the possibility of romancing characters not in your party? I think it would also be interesting.
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I think a lot of the money goes towards employee salaries. Obsidian can't even use their own engine to develop the game. That should tell you something right there. They have to be careful with their resources and they don't have a lot of them.We'll be lucky if it's 40-60 hours really. What do you guys think can be accomplished with 1-2 million dollars. Say it hits 3 million, which is very possible. Fallout was made with 3 million 15 years ago. 3 million isn't worth as much today as it was back then. You also have kickstarter fees. 5-10% of the money is gone before the devs even get it.However, we're not talking about a new AAA title with cutting edge technology here - if you want to develop an oldschool RPG in the style of old Infinity games nowadays, you can do that as an Indie developer. No licensing of a costy CryEngine 2, no middleware and all that, even heavy cuts on voiceovers and multi language... I do believe that Obsidian can make quite a bit out of those funds by now already, given they don't make a Fallout 4 or Dragon Age 3.
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Well it's not realistic to be in love with someone after 2 or 3 conversations. And if you're asking for it to be more immersive and believable that means more resources put towards creating dialogue and story throughout the game just for romance options. And then you have to give romance options for both men and women. Then LGBT would also want romance options so they don't feel discriminated against. It would just turn into a Bioware "romance" fest.First off, I don't expect only two people (say, Sawyer/Avellone) writing the whole game. And then, what I'd expect from Obsidian is exactly NOT giving us the "my little pony" stuff Bioware writes, because yes - that's uninteresting. I sure hope they don't want to write romance plots like that and aim for something much more mature and immersive. And it's really not all about getting laid in an isometric view, but about immersion, realistic and believable characters who grow on you during a long epic travel.
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We'll be lucky if it's 40-60 hours really. What do you guys think can be accomplished with 1-2 million dollars. Say it hits 3 million, which is very possible. Fallout was made with 3 million 15 years ago. 3 million isn't worth as much today as it was back then. You also have kickstarter fees. 5-10% of the money is gone before the devs even get it.Its probably going to be around 20-30 hoursI'm actually expecting more than that. Much more.
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Voted first option, but the last part about feeling all powerful at the end of the game isn't important to me. I'd rather there be some kind of lvl cap so the end of the game is challenging and not easy because I over leveled or something.
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Yeah but you know how entitled these "romance" fans are. They have to have it or it ruins their immersion into RPGs. Truth is they just don't really like good RPGs.If you want to flirt with and date an elf princess, or tame a rough assasin brute with your body,
do so in real life! Your wife wont mind your occasional joyrides.
Besides, all game romances are just 2 lines of text and then "you had amazing sex". It can be no other way.
And writing such volumes takes 2 months of developement time, for each line. And then there's no time left to add the plot, which sucks.
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The thing is, it isn't really a romance. Have you seen the "romances" in Bioware games. It's 3 conversations, then sex, then nothing else which tells you it's really just about the sex. You have 1 or 2 conversations with them and they're telling you they love you and want to have sex with you. It's a joke.I'm kinda surprised by the amount of rejection towards romance (and the amount of people equalizing romance and sex). It's an RPG, character development and social relations are part of it and they should be.
If two party members grow close to each other, why shouldn't they? If the player grows close to a party member (or NPC), why shouldn't they either? Isn't that the greatest compliment to make to the authors - to feel emotionally attached to a character?
And to those who don't want this kind of immersion - just don't pursue it. Why limit the gaming experience for others because of something you don't like?
It limits the game experience for everyone because resources go into making that crap. It's not like they have unlimited resources and put everything they want into a game and adding romances doesn't affect anything. They have finite time and money that would be taken from the base game and put into relationships with npcs when they could add more dialogue, story, races, or classes, etc. Just doesn't belong in games and has never really been done well.And to those who don't want this kind of immersion - just don't pursue it. Why limit the gaming experience for others because of something you don't like? -
I'm not slinging any kind of insults. I'm offended you'd even insinuate I am. My arguments aren't childish. That's just your opinion. Just like it's my opinion that it's actually immature to need these kinds of relationships in video games that make them worse.This is a RPG. Not a sex/social simulator for deviants who can't build a relationship in real life.
Do you know how stupid...
(yes, I said stupid. s-t-u-p-i-d)
that argument is?
Truly stupid.
If you want combat, go out there and have some. You want adventure? Go out there and have some. You want some friendships? Go out there and have some. You want to manage inventories? Go out there and manage some. Want to kill people? Guess what.
Seriously, stop it. If you really want to irrationally hate romances in videogames, do it. But at least have decency of using non-childish arguments for it. At least when we are talking about Obsidian and their intentions of a solid and mature game. Tell me about limited resources, tell me about feature creep, tell me about difficulty in writing, tell me about something related to the game itself but stop slinging insults that don't really defend your point.
I just don't like them. I can't think of a RPG that really benefited from having a romance that wouldn't have been better without. That's just the truth. And I guarantee that most of the people asking for them here are asking for romances similar to Bioware games. Which are terrible btw. More of a fact than opinion on that.
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How would they be able to afford it? Fallout cost 3 million to make 15 years ago. How do you think they can afford to put resources into multiplayer instead of the base game?So this means they are really looking in to it. Promising.
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NWN is RTwP and has a very successful Multiplayer. Read the posts before telling us that we are asking for dumb things.
Obsidian has experience with this kind of Multiplayer.
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This doesn't even make any sense. I play RPGs where I kill monsters because I can't kill humans in the army? Are you serious?This is a RPG. Not a sex/social simulator for deviants who can't build a relationship in real life.So instead we only focus on some hack and slay for people who can't get a good killing spree done in real life and need to compensate for missed army time?
I don't care about games being considered art. It's irrelevant. It's a game, not my life.Sorry, but if you want games to be accepted as an art form and not just kiddie stuff, you should be open to all things that make us human, which certainly includes love and sexual themes as well, probably more than blood and gore in the 1398th boss fight.
Again, I'm not asking for Bioware-style teenie romances or boobies, but for mature themes for a mature audience.
And yes you are asking for those Bioware style teenie romances along with all the others who voted for them in this poll. All these people are from Bioware and have played the ME and DA series. So what kind of romances do you think you guys are asking for? Like Bioware but more MATURE. Because MATURE SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS IN GAMES ARE WHERE ITS AT. YEAH.
Get real.
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No multiplayer. This is a classic RPG with a low budget. How would they be able to afford that? How would they even implement that? This is RTwP combat. Not real time combat like Diablo. How do you expect them to create multiplayer?
You guys need to think before asking for so many dumb things. They can't afford to give you everything you desire and they're not obligated to either. Fallout cost 3 million to make 15 years ago. What makes you think they can afford to put all these things in the game?
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No they both can't be done. Who cares what the "majority" wants? This poll is meaningless because of how few votes there are and this isn't a democracy. You DONATE money to the kickstarter and they build the game they want to build. It doesn't matter what some people want. This is a RPG. Not a sex/social simulator for deviants who can't build a relationship in real life.Holy crap. No romances. Stop making these dumb threads.
All you people who need romances in your RPGs are crazy. They are about role playing in different settings with adventurers on quests, etc. They aren't suppose to be games that sate your deviant, sexual fantasies.
What if people want an immersive RPG experience but also want to satisfy there licentious, deviant, sexual fantasies?
The 2 experiences can be interchangeable.
Besides the majority of people want some kind of sexual relationship as you can see from the Poll.
The guys at Obsidian have stated they don't really like romances in games and I'm confident they'll do the right thing by keeping them out of the game.
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You really shouldn't have to post this, but these days you have to be sure people don't forget the basics and think they should have to stroke the player's ego by making the game too easy.The rules that govern the PC and his companions should be fundamentally the same rules that govern every other being in the game (I'll allow exceptions for gods). The PC shouldn't be immune to stun abilities while still being able to stun his enemies. The PC shouldn't hit vastly harder than his enemies do. The PC should not have vastly fewer hit points than his enemies do. Friendly fire should be equally deadly for all sides.
Asymmetrical combat mechanics reached a laughable level with DA2, and that needs to be reversed. Eternity is just the place to do that.
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It's obvious you don't like RPGs. So why not just play adventure games or Skyrim which doesn't have stats? It's up to the developer to balance the game experience around what the player should be able to do. A first time player isn't going to know what he should or shouldn't be able to do with his characters and how the game is balanced. A character with 8 Intelligence shouldn't be able to make intelligent dialogue choices. Just like a player with 8 Strength shouldn't be able to successfully threaten a character with a larger strength. If you don't like it, too bad. That's the way it's always been and best way it can be so far. If you want to use a trainer to max out all your characters stats so you have all the dialogue choices and avoid any challenge to the game, go ahead. But no one else should be forced into such an insipid game.Same way game are NOT balanced all the time: difficulty levels. Balance means something different to every single person playing a single-player game. You give templates that are classified as easy, medium, and hard. But you give people the ability to ignore that. The key is don't restrict. Give people tools to do what they want, and do it well. Don't force them to do something they don't want just because you think that makes the game too easy for them. If they can clearly see what an average person looks like, then they know full well they are making a demi-god.
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Holy crap. No romances. Stop making these dumb threads.
All you people who need romances in your RPGs are crazy. They are about role playing in different settings with adventurers on quests, etc. They aren't suppose to be games that sate your deviant, sexual fantasies.
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Legolas > GimliShut up Oldmanpoco troll.
Gorth:
P.S. DWARVES RULE, ELVES DROOL!!!
Therefore Elves > Dwarves. I mean did you see all the orcs Legolas killed in Lord of the Rings? Gimli couldn't come close to being that awesome.
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I agree. They shouldn't be taking any kind of feedback from players for this game. All the best RPGs had no player feedback. Developers just made them on their own. No reason to start now, especially when player feedback has caused such terrible RPGs to be released recently.The reason why I'd back any money into this thing at all with as little knowledge of planned content as has been given is because I have total faith that your (Obsidians) talents of game development are better than mine. Pandering to what the community and player base ask for is where artists (including Bioware) start to decline into mediocrity. Just something to keep in mind.
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Sex and Romance Poll
in Pillars of Eternity: General Discussion (NO SPOILERS)
Posted · Edited by Grimlorn