Darji
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I said maybe to "equal" the malus in strength and constitution for woman. I do not think that you actually could make a game anymore where woman are the only ones with penalties in their stats^^"maybe some penalties for men in charisma. "
How is that realistic? The greatest leaders in real world history have been men. There have been men who can get women (and other men for that matter) to do anything for them. Then you got males like Beiber 9and other celebrities0 who have women literlaly fawning over them and males like Ahnold who have men wrapped around their fingers. L0L Men should get charisma penaltiies. That is not realistic at all.
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Yes but not in a plate or very heavy armor...The links you've provided reference women LEADERS, not warriors. Typically generals and emperors/empresses do not fight hand to hand on the front lines.
Pretty sure Boudica at least did actually fight in hand to hand combat, as would have been expected of a woman in her position in her culture.
These armor were for prestige and not really for fighting in real battles. Maybe in some tournaments.
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Why do you keep linking that? Do you think it proves anything? That because some Amazon tribe had female fighters 200 years ago, that women are equal to men on a battlefield?
Does that quote somehow historically equalizes the sexes in matters of war? Certainly not, that would be ridiculous. But its the actual example of a all-female army, one that defeated a contemporary and much stronger force no less. I saw it as a apt response to the post I quoted, more apt than 'LOL ITS FANTASY IDIOT LOL' anyway.
Yes and they wore no heavy Armor they used their own strong points to defeat them and none of them were wearing heavy plate armors not only because they did not have them but because it would give them a huge disadvantage.
Neither did who they fought.
Strawman arguement. One, no one called you an idiot. Two, no one said that a woman can't SHOOT a man. We're talking about women defeating men in hand to hand combat wearing heavy armor. Which is indeed fantasy.
No one called me a idiot, that was a indicator of how stupid the 'fantasy' argument is.
And no, a woman defeating a man in hand-to-hand combat isn't fantasy. Melee was still very important in the era of those dahomey amazons. It would still be all the way up the world wars.
Ok then lets skip plate armors completely because they are stupid anyway. I am totally fine with that.
Again if you want to go for realism do it right. Penalty in strength and constitution for women. Maybe some penalties for men in charisma. And than also give woman player a heavy malus while wearing plate armor.
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I'd like to be able to play my character as being an outrageous flirt/tease among other options, and it'd be nice to have NPCs that respond romantically. But developing ANY kind of relationship dynamic with various NPC's would be great, whether they regard you as a friend, comrade-in-arms, rival, protector, source of advice, child who needs advice, obligation, brother-in-law, wingman, idiot who won't go away, trusted confidant . . .
Oh yeah give us the options for skills like the perk ladykiller or the opposite one I forgot
in New Vegas for example. As for romance with NPCs: I do not think that is a good idea. Rather have some romantic options with your party member you can obtain or find. These would far more developed then some random NPC romance.
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Why do you keep linking that? Do you think it proves anything? That because some Amazon tribe had female fighters 200 years ago, that women are equal to men on a battlefield?
Does that quote somehow historically equalizes the sexes in matters of war? Certainly not, that would be ridiculous. But its the actual example of a all-female army, one that defeated a contemporary and much stronger force no less. I saw it as a apt response to the post I quoted, more apt than 'LOL ITS FANTASY IDIOT LOL' anyway.
Yes and they wore no heavy Armor they used their own strong points to defeat them and none of them were wearing heavy plate armors not only because they did not have them but because it would give them a huge disadvantage.
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Personally I loved the class system in NWN2 with all these starting classes which then depending on your actions could evolve into advanced classes which some of them were harder to obtain than other.
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Yes of course can a woman kill a man. But not if both are wearing heavy plate armor that was really really heavy especially for woman and which gave them a huge disadvantage.If you want to talk about practicality and realism, there shouldn't be any women warriors period. A woman running around in plate mail, swinging a sword, and killing male fighters in fair fights is fantasy to begin with. How revealing her armor may or may not be does not really add to or detract from the "realism" of this already fairy tale premise.
It happened in real life though. It just wasn't the norm, and varied with culture. A woman can murder a man. The average man is stronger than the average woman, yes, but an average woman is still lethal, and a very above average woman vs. an average man could end very badly for the male.
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Well nudity and immersion can be liked. One example is indigo prophecy/fareinheit where the main female character has a scene that starts with her in the shower. The American release had her in a bra and panties while she was under the water. That'll toss you out of the entire thing lickety split.
I don't enjoy nudity for the sake of watching a pair of jubblies hang out of a top. It's the same reason people were forced to remember that they were in a game in fallout three where the protitute in megaton takes your money, leads you to a bed, and promptly falls asleep. I'd have preferred a blank screen with the gigantic words "you had sex" rather than what we got.
I mean look at the witcher 2, the nudity there made sense in the context of where you found it and wasn't just there for titillation (ok a few of the encounters between tries and Geralt were entirely gratuitous but they had an established relationship so it wasn't that odd for them to get it on)
This is true. I actually imported Fahrenheit as well. And what FO3 was epically lame as well. Have yet to play TW2 since TW1 just didn't grab me.
You really should play the Witcher 2. Yes Witcher 1 was also great but it was also very slow paced and the beginning was really bad. In Witcher 2 it is great from the beginning.
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Actually the romance in the Witcher 2 was almost perfect since it was developed through the story and your decisions and not because you always talk to the same person on a fireplace. If they go that route it would be perfect.There doesn't need to be romances, but I did like some of The Witcher's quest rewards!
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Also another thing. Who do you think was wearing stuff like plate mails? Common soldats who fought on the frontlines? Oh you better think again.
If you wore a plate mail you were some king on the battlefield or some really highly ranked soldat. If you have fought on the frontlines you wore very light armor that gives some sort of protection but were you also could move.
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No its a mage outfit. Not armor...Is it way to overdone.. Yeah of course because its asian. but again a Succubus or even nymph could totally look like that. Even some crazy dark demonic magic mage who is not fighting on the frontlines would be totally fine.
edit: Of course this does not offer any defense one full hit and you are dead but maybe has some magic bonus attributs or stats.
That's not even armor.
Here this is leather armor: Armor for both male and female fighters. Armor that suit their look and also let them move fast.
Will it kill them in real life? Yes sure but a plate mail does not do much either as well. One hard sweep and you are dead anyways and it does not even matter what you are wearing if they land a good hit you are dead. You do not have hit points in real life.
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Totally wrong: just a small example and I can show you dozens more.
1. That's not a real life example.
2. That's not armor anyway. She's wearing clothes.
Show me please magic in real life. WE are still talking about fantasy and not real life. Again if we want to make it real I want my being female will give you a strength and constitution penalty.
Its her fighting gear. That is the stuff she wears when going in to battles because she is a mage....
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sorry its getting late here so I guess you have to take this one:
Boobplates can break a woman's sternum.
Again if you want to go with realism. A male knight in plate armor will destroy the female one because the plate mail is damn heavy and for a woman a huge disadvantage.
If I wanted to go with realism, I'd deny the concept of plate armor itself. Armor was already being downsized for mobility due to the invention of the crossbow. I do think that the boobplate is retarded and awkward, but its still better than the chainmail bikini.
http://madartlab.com...-and-lady-bits/
This entry has a few good examples of female armor, the best not requiring boobplates or chainmail bikinis. It also has a terrific suggestion to shift the focus from the torso to the face, which is what happened in IE games.
ok why is this even absurd for a mage character or better a succubus?
Is it way to overdone.. Yeah of course because its asian. but again a Succubus or even nymph could totally look like that. Even some crazy dark demonic magic mage who is not fighting on the frontlines would be totally fine.
edit: Of course this does not offer any defense one full hit and you are dead but maybe has some magic bonus attributs or stats.
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I am totally ok with that.Stop the presses, we have breaking news: I agree with Volourn.
Why not simply have a mixed of both 'sexy' and 'unsexy' armour based on the race, culture, and technical ability of the being crafting/wearing said armour and clothes. Realisticly, just like in real life, people are varied and their tastes are varied so some women (and men) like to dress as sexy as possible no matter the situation, others are prudes no matter what, and other are in the middle and dress to suit the situation and their needs.
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sorry its getting late here so I guess you have to take this one:
Boobplates can break a woman's sternum.
Again if you want to go with realism. A male knight in plate armor will destroy the female one because the plate mail is damn heavy and for a woman a huge disadvantage.
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(personal and humble opinion, poor english, sorry, etc.)
Obsidian people and us all here are old roleplayers, jaded to some extend; white hair here, and there, not the horny teenagers focused on cheap tricks, dat sorceress illustration, powermaxing skills anymore. Not to that extend, at least... we have our weaknesses, sure. We'll hide them. This is what I want to believe.
Now. Tropes are in the mood. Some could be avoided as said:
- Romances (no, please, really... Obsidian, not this time)
People? on the list!
I think a form of romance is doable and would be welcomed by some fans (not a big fan of it myself) but personally I think serious relationships in a video game are an absolute joke. Just because a character calls you "husband" doesn't mean you love her; it feels like empty words and it's an empty relationship....because she's an AI program. I don't care if it's a roleplaying game, roleplaying love just isn't doable imo.
Having said that though, I did enjoy the little bit of flirting that the Courier and Cass did, and I know a lot of people liked Doctor Dala from OWB. I think flirting is fine, as flirting can be playful, flattering and funny without being too serious, but it really shouldn't extend beyond that. A "friends with benefits" sort of relationship could be humorous, fun and appease those that DO want romance without being awkward for those that don't. Seems like a fair in-between point.
Thats all that should be. Maybe some flirting maybe some hot affection at night and maybe imply that they married in the end if they are still alive. Do ont go with the getting married, having kids etc during the story. Timeskips are the worst things for RPGs because they always fail to deliver^^
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sorry its getting late here so I guess you have to take this one:
totally wrong: just a small example and I can show you dozens more.but if the armour turns women into asexual beings that you cannnot tell if its a woman or a man, its just ugly to me.
But that's what armor does to women. Look up modern female soldiers on google. CEREMONIAL armor is a whole other matter though. Hell, I've seen dresses forged out of metal.
Worst platemail I've ever seen.
But if you really want realism than you also have to give woman a penalty in constitution and strength . Because that is how it is in real life. In real life normally you would never let a woman be a "tank" since they are much weaker than male "tanks". And no that is not sexist that these are facts. That is also why in men and woman don't compete against each other in sport events on the world class level. That is how the evolution has build us that is why woman actually get the children and we do not. We should except that men and woman never can be fully equal. Yes we can be equal in society and standings. But we will never be equal in physical aspects.
And for you wikki:
Worst plate mails have ever seen. these woman also do not wear plate mails because they are way to heavy for women in general.
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The funny thing is.. it's not exactly like the majority of the games I play has unattractive male leads either. Never saw anyone complaining about the objectification of men. Raise your hand if you can identify with Commander Shephard, guys!
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And before someone claims it's not the same thing or that men are not objectified in the same way, take a look at one of our very few female member's love relationship with an NPC in Fallout: New Vegas named Boone. It was like watching a creepy cybersex session over several weeks, on these very boards.
The only thing that differs is the way the objectification occurs. Men are generally more visually inclined, thus chainamil bikinis, while women generally prefer.. other things.
Yeah exactly. Woman prefer or see different things as sexy. Like eyes, some character traits like mysterious or "emo" and so on. Its much easier to please actually men since they often go for the visual aspects than to please women. But that's how humans are. Yes of course things like character is important but the first thing you actually or better normally see is the appearance of a person. If you don't get attracted than the chance is high that you wont even talk to this person at all.
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totally wrong: just a small example and I can show you dozens more.but if the armour turns women into asexual beings that you cannnot tell if its a woman or a man, its just ugly to me.
But that's what armor does to women. Look up modern female soldiers on google. CEREMONIAL armor is a whole other matter though. Hell, I've seen dresses forged out of metal.
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Older games had also a higher budget. In this time and age it would be perfect just to have a great SP experience. Something you actually enjoy because it has a great story, great characters and a very atmospheric world and not because its fun to play with friends.I can't speak for the devs of course, but I think multiplayer is a given - seeing as the old games had 'em.
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Mature themes, to us, means exploring concepts in a frank manner from many angles through the story and the characters in it. Dead Money explored obsession. Honest Hearts explored religion. Even when dealing with alien (or elven[?!?!]) cultures and magic/technology, themes should relate back to what players would understand as part of the human condition. E.g. a film like District 9 is good at triggering sensitivities to (real world) racism and dehumanization in the audience even though the aliens are fictional.
Perfect. Just what I am expecting of Obsidian^^
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Here is the thing Margaretha [blah blah feminism is evil] [...]
Also tropes are a part of video games and their culture as well are these tropes are part of our whole society. What would a fantasy adventure without romance or a damsel in distress? Without someone you love and you have to rescue. And yes this could be a man or a woman. What would an RPG without these "animals" that are attacking you and totally not react like they would in real life? It would be pretty boring.
What I am trying to say with my bad English is that Tropes done right are not a bad thing. Let Obsidian just do their Job they know how to write characters and stories that are not sexist in any way.
This is pop culture and we both like it. You like it as it is, I am a bit bored and often annoyed today. RPG has not to be about saving a damsel in distress or being attacked by wolvess. It can be, and it can be done well, but it can be something else, because it is not what makes an RPG an RPG. I have been saving damsel in distress for 20 years. THAT is boring. I would be willing to try something new.
What else do you want? A World where everyone can defend himself? A world where no one needs to be rescued so no one can be offended in any way? A world which has no beautiful women and men? A world without prostiitution (both ways) A world without sexual attractions? Without lets say nymphs, succubi or character that are making use of their sexappeal jsut like in real life etc ? I am really interested how you want to make a fantasy game without troupes or people that do not need to be rescued or killed etc.
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totally agree with that. Obsidian is one of the few I totally trust for story, characters, design and RPG mechanics. Please make the game you wanted to create from the beginning.Dear Obsidian, don't listen to the crowd. Make the game as you have planned it. Make it as you'll love it.
There are some awful ideas on this board. Please stay true to the spirit of the games you use for inspiration: Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale and Planescape: Torment. Do your best to revive the great experience these games have been in the past.
I trust you and you alone know what is best for Project Eternity. People in your team have made great games - games that set the standards in the RPG industry. Listen to the gamers but don't let them decide for you. You are the pro's! I'm 100% certain that people contribute to your Kickstarter not because the want to play a game they've designed, but to play a game that YOU have created - your concept, your ideas, your execution!
Wish you luck!
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The problem I have with magic is that its almost always totally broken and overpowered in the later game. I really haven't played any game where magic was not the way to destroy your enmies in one go.
Also since it seems that magic is bound to ones soul the magic should fit their personality or soul.
in New Vegas for example.
DLC vs Expansion Packs
in Pillars of Eternity: General Discussion (NO SPOILERS)
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Personally I think they should work on the next game or on the toolset and than let the community do the rest.XD
but if DLC than like they did in New Vegas. That was actually really worth the money.