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Darth Trethon

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    I think it's safe to say that at this point Steam means nothing compared to this:

     

    I mean, to be a negative Nancy, what else would be at the top on GOG right now?

     

    Any of the exclusively on GOG first time digital releases by Disney(from big name franchises like Star Wars) or Witcher 3 preorders or Starpoint Gemini 2(now 50% off) or any of the other multitude of amazing newly released titles. Along with crowdfunding there has also been a major DRM-free revolution so business has been picking up over there big time.

  2. Pretty sure steam just lists the game in its list... not all 3 skews.  GoG lists all 3 skews.  So, steam just takes all 3 skews, lumps them together, and shows 1 game place on its most popular list.  

    Exactly....so if Steam separated the editions would any of them still occupy the #1 spot? Doubtful. This way GOG is able to establish its dominance by demonstrating that not just one but all three versions individually have sold enough to own the competition.....even the $90 Royal Edition is selling enough on GOG to own all which is beyond insanely impressive. I doubt Steam can make the same claim.

  3. OP.....it's up to each new user to adapt to these forums not for the forums to adapt to one user.....don't know what Project Eternity is? Google it. Confused about the PoE abbreviation? Common sense should dictate that on the Pillars of Eternity forums people aren't using it to refer to Path of Exile.....have a hard time getting over it? Sounds like a personal problem to me.

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    I think it's safe to say that at this point Steam means nothing compared to this:

     

    I'd say that steam #1 is worth the first 5-10 positions of GOG, numerically speaking. The exposure they get on steam is on a whole other level.

     

    That may have been true in the past but things are changing.....GOG has been picking up A LOT of traction with the crowdfunding revolution going hand in hand with DRM free revolution and now they have major publishers like Disney choosing to release first ever digital versions of some of the older games exclusively on GOG.....big name titles too like Star Wars that have huge recognition. For a major publisher like that to say "no" to steam on any game, even older ones, is an absolutely huge thing and goes to show just how far along GOG has come.

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  5. Just a quick thing: the forums absolutely refuse to load your video for me(Firefox, Windows 8.1) and all I see is a bunch of empty gray.....I had to quote your post just to make the bloody thing show me the link which I then used to get to the video. But yeah, this forum is the only place I've so far experienced this issue but you should consider also providing just a good old link too besides the video in case the forums decide to act like an ****.

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    Has been ruling on GOG for a while, and will continue to top sales charts for a good long time....as it should. Ideally this game will outsell all the worthless garbage that has a tendency of popping high sales numbers....like all the clone spaz shooters and so on. Hopefully this game permanently establishes the CRPG genre as THE genre of the future and will lead to worthless genres disappearing.

    Yeah man tomorrow it'll grind Grand Turd Auto 5 into dust.

     

    I would absolutely welcome the news......there will be absolutely no complaints from me if that happens.

  7. Has been ruling on GOG for a while, and will continue to top sales charts for a good long time....as it should. Ideally this game will outsell all the worthless garbage that has a tendency of popping high sales numbers....like all the clone spaz shooters and so on. Hopefully this game permanently establishes the CRPG genre as THE genre of the future and will lead to worthless genres disappearing.

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  8. I don't mind waiting a few extra days but I am slightly annoyed we can't redeem our keys now......it's not like having the keys will enable us to play early or anything as we still have to wait for GOG to put the game up for download which won't happen until release.....I just want to put the game on my shelf already and have one less thing to worry about being delayed or messed up and getting in the way of me playing the game once it's released.

  9. Holy crap, I didn't realize you guys were in serious trouble when you ran this KS or I'd have pledged more than the $198 I did. I am seriously considdering buying a Royal Edition on GOG just to support you guys even though my pledge already contains everything. If you guys ever go under it'll be the end of the gaming industry. The gaming industry is in a sorry state as it is when traitors like Bethesda can't be held accountable for what they owe great developers like you guys.

  10. Yep, that's the way to make a compelling case, DT.  See, we religious nuts can use sarcasm also.  Some of us are even advanced enough to read things on the interwebs.

     

    I actually wasn't talking to you directly.  I'd read the exchange some pages back.  I'm sure you might have been part of that exchange regarding the tiers and what's available.  I don't really know because you didn't even show up on my radar until you addressed me specifically to attack my citation of one specific Biblical passage.  You don't speak "Bible?"  How about English?  I'm sure you're conversant enough in the language to use context to get the point.  If you had simply skimmed over the citation, the rest of the post was pretty clear, at least it seemed so to me.

     

    At any rate, I'm not going to be bullied by some message board cowboy into hiding or being ashamed of my religion.  I don't bring it up much, but the passage I did cite specifically relates to the discussion I thought we were having.  So, I typed 12 characters (13 with the space) and you drive the discussion into religion bashing territory?  Intolerant religious nuts like me just can't get along with anyone!  That's sarcasm again, by the way.

     

    To get back to the topic, my point is actually less about what Obsidian does than about us.  For myself, I won't be upset if someone manages to get something similar to me even though I had to pay more for it.  I think Obsidian has to be careful to protect their brand, which means trying to balance kickstarter pledge tiers with later pledges and then also with specials and deals available to consumers on STEAM.  So, while I won't begrudge someone being advantaged by the circumstances (which is part of our human experience anyway), I also understand they can't be too generous without engendering anger or outrage on the part of people who pledged more.  The compromise of allowing current backers to cut a special deal doesn't seem out of order to me.  However, I will point out that the money they received up front benefited them more than money they received later and the pledges they received later benefited them more than the money they get right now.  At least, that's true dollar for dollar.  If they have a ton of sales, then that's profit.  What made the profit possible was the investment thousands of us made in the beginning.  Having said that, we should give them some latitude to work out a solution that makes the most people happy and, just as importantly, pisses off the fewest number of people.

     

    So, I tell you what, take another shot at my religion and I'll let it go.  I think it was asinine, but I'm not really angry so much as surprised at the depth of feeling about a mere citation.  I didn't even quote the passage.  After you sound all erudite by attacking me, let's put my religion aside and talk about the actual issue.

    I mostly just find it highly ironic about which ends of the argument we're on but there is certainly plenty of history behind why I reacted the way I did.....but that is besides the point. It's not so much that I care about your religion or beliefs that bothers me but the fact that your comment came across as though people ought to know what it's about or that you don't seem to think citing religion could bother others although you sure notice the discomfort on your end, but at least I hope you can understand that there is A LOT of history about the text that so many view as well meaning that is far from that and yes, even twelve characters are more than sufficient for tempers to flare over a topic behind which so much blood has been shed.

     

    On to the point.....I can see why some would be upset which is why I acknowledged that keeping the regular retail edition basic is preferable to a situation like the one inXile had with Wasteland 2 and the reason I am proposing an upgrade package option rather than proposing that all backers be gifted the Champion edition. I also understand the economic realities of the situation but there are ways to deal with the situation in a way that is fair to all and doesn't make most KS backers feel like unwanted bastard fans.....part of it I believe, as I initially mentioned, is setting up a regular retail edition that can be easily given to fulfill simple pledges without having to treat them as sub par to the people who waited to buy the game on day one......the other part, which at this point should be no problem implementing, is setting up an upgrade package so that backers who want it can get that content for a price that is fair too all.

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    @Cantousent Are you replying to my above comment? If you are then I haven't the slightest idea what "Matthew 20:16" is but I sincerely hope it doesn't have anything to do with any religious book or text. Beyond that you completely missed my point entirely, I didn't say anyone should be given free stuff but that everyone should have the opportunity to upgrade....that also means pay. Beyond that Kickstarter is about good will so locking your backers into a corner where if they want to upgrade they would have to pay full price for the CE separately....that's bad business and no way to show gratitude towards the people who had faith in you....though I'm sure those concepts are alien to you.

     

    But to address your point: while I do not speak bible I would never be opposed to other backers who gave less than me getting more because I pledged out of the desire to help these companies because I viewed them as good people, what bothers me is when their actions resemble those of the big greedy publishers who treat people like cash cows....but I'm sure the big wigs can converse bible with you and how money and contractual obligations should trump nonsense like "good will" and "gratitude"....and they can probably be your heroes too since they are likely descendants of the people who wrote the political text you call bible back when they used it to make themselves the sole holders of all political, military and spiritual power and used it to determine who should be publically executed. But no, I don't speak bible.

    That was cool, were you lying in ambush for someone to mention religion somewhere on the internet, with that paragraph ready, or it just came to your mind? What does anyone's religion have to do with anything discussed on this forum anyway?

     

     

    Nope, nothing expected or at the ready....that was totally an in the moment kind of thing. Now people can believe whatever they choose but when they casually drop bible references as if I should know what they mean that's another matter altogether. But no, I'm not particularly looking to dig too much into the matter either.....at the moment I am far more interested in discussing the game and hopefully we can get an answer to whether or not they plan any upgrade packages.

     

    What irks me most is that a lot of people don't understand how much of the world's population lives in poverty, people who work very long and very hard hours for very little......sure some of the people pledging minimum were cheap but there are almost certainly also some for whom their $20 was a great sacrifice when also considering they also may face needing PC upgrades to play the game.

  12. @Cantousent Are you replying to my above comment? If you are then I haven't the slightest idea what "Matthew 20:16" is but I sincerely hope it doesn't have anything to do with any religious book or text. Beyond that you completely missed my point entirely, I didn't say anyone should be given free stuff but that everyone should have the opportunity to upgrade....that also means pay. Beyond that Kickstarter is about good will so locking your backers into a corner where if they want to upgrade they would have to pay full price for the CE separately....that's bad business and no way to show gratitude towards the people who had faith in you....though I'm sure those concepts are alien to you.

     

    But to address your point: while I do not speak bible I would never be opposed to other backers who gave less than me getting more because I pledged out of the desire to help these companies because I viewed them as good people, what bothers me is when their actions resemble those of the big greedy publishers who treat people like cash cows....but I'm sure the big wigs can converse bible with you and how money and contractual obligations should trump nonsense like "good will" and "gratitude"....and they can probably be your heroes too since they are likely descendants of the people who wrote the political text you call bible back when they used it to make themselves the sole holders of all political, military and spiritual power and used it to determine who should be publically executed. But no, I don't speak bible.

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  13. By looking at the Hero and Champion editions on GOG it's good to notice that the Hero edition only comes with some wallpapers and avatars because that means it should be safe for all backers to get it without ending in a bad spot like Wasteland 2 did where backers got a version that is not even for sale anywhere stripped of all bonuses because "your sh***y $20 pledge doesn't get you the bonuses of the regular retail edition"......getting that to the Digital Deluxe after buying the Digital Deluxe upgrade and still missing stuff because my sh***y $800+ TTON pledge didn't entitle me to the basic retail edition bonuses took a month and a lot more effort and nerves than it was worth....really makes me want to rethink my future support of inXile. Now with PoE I will get all the digital bonuses from the pledge management site but what of most backers whose pledges don't entitle them to any of the Champion edition upgrades or anything in the way of digital bonuses.....what if they want to upgrade? Will you guys offer an upgrade package on GOG? It would benefit you guys because people who want those bonuses are far more likely to dish something like $20 for an upgrade instead of $70 for another copy of the game they already own.

     

    Also huge props to Obsidian for being decent and giving the preorder bonuses to all their backers and for extra copies too without any of the inXile shenanigans that "your pledge doesn't deserve that" or "what do you mean you didn't know the second copy wouldn't get that" and "what do you mean you didn't know which of those two codes was for the main copy with all your pledge's bonuses and the second, stripped of everything, copy?".

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    What's particularly endearing about Malignacious's <cough> critiques is that most of them go directly against the concept of the game. This was made for us annoying nostalgia people, and at least I'm enjoying his upset at us a great deal. We've had enough ragdolls thrown at us at the expense of choice and consequence, writing in both quality and quantity, depth and breadth of lore, variety in bestiary, number and variety of classes and so on and so forth that it's positively delicious to have the boot on the other leg for once.

     

    As to the IE-ness of the game... I think a lot of us are a bit myopic about this. Think about it folks. Three years ago, if someone had told you that a party-based, class-based, 2D-isometric, sprawling, richly written, fantasy RTwP game inspired by the Infinity Engine would be coming out from a major studio, how many of you would have even believed it?

     

    Compared to that, the fiery disagreements about XP, health/stamina, rest mechanics, per-rest vs per-encounter, healing etc. are ripples on a pond. We're getting something really big and really cool here, which has huge overlap with the IE series. It's just that after a while it becomes easy to take the similarities for granted which makes the differences stand out more.

    Just because the game is "party-based, class-based, 2D-isometric, sprawling, richly written, fantasy RTwP game inspired by the Infinity Engine" does not mean it will be good. So concerns about mechanics, gameplay, bugs etc. are a legitimate concerns.

    If PoE will fall flat then we will never get a good game like that in a long time.

     

    But trying to make a big deal out of these so called concerns in early beta is pointless.....it's a beta, obviously it will have issues....and unlike most modern AAA betas, this is a real beta not a pre-release demo/trial that the publishers cash in on prior to the game's release by selling timed exclusivity for to a console manufacturer or something to hype the game with(which is more of a marketing gimmick)....and that's all the so called Betas for the AAA games are. This is a real Beta, which I can imagine must be a real culture shock for people who think rag-doll physics and particle effects should be the order of the day and never played a Beta that had more than 10 minor bugs.

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    It's really funny that this "such a great game" cannot be defended against criticism on it's own values but instead the defenders need to attack the critic personally.

     

    We've debated ragdoll physics on this forum before, so this is a bit of a rehash in the form of a troll. Not sure there's that much new that can be added to the discussion at this point.

     

    Pretty much this^^ 

     

    The fact it's a beta accounts for most of the shortcomings and likewise most of these issues will be resolved before the full release.....now what's left? Oh yeah.....boo-hoo voice-overs will be limited and there won't be rag-doll physics now go cry about it somewhere it's relevant because that place sure isn't here.

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    'Ragdoll physics" Really?

     

    Yes, really.

    Ever since Titan Quest, they've made games a much more enjoyable experience.

     

    Because it's not about ragdoll physics per se, although that is the desired standard, but about combat having a kinetic feel to it, some sort of impact and weight behind actions.

    For example, Torchlight 2, not having an advanced engine that supported such standard, still managed to impart that impact through critical hits which turn enemies into blood pinatas, which although is a cartoony and arcadey way of doing it, is still far better than the nothingness we have here where enemies just vanish like ghosts.

     

    It honestly doesn't sound like you have grasped the premise for this game. You might want to watch the kickstarter pitch video, before coming on that strong about what this game lacks.

     

    I completely agree. Malignacious, dude, this game isn't for you dude.....you don't like certain design and development decisions that are very much on purpose and are not going to change and are exactly what the backers backed to have made.

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  17. Yep, to echo the comments above, this is totally not a rag-doll physics kind of game....which should have been obvious from the get-go imo. As for voice acting....it would be nice and all but don't expect it because it's too expensive and this is a very dialogue intensive game....there will probably be some, here and there for important bits of the game but mostly not. If I had to choose between a system like this with deep and expansive dialogue without voice acting and simplified dialogue to accommodate voice acting I'd choose this any day.

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