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  1. I thought all the computers self-destructed during the great Y2K apocalypse, and now everything is either hand cranked or driven by oxen?

     

    They can calculate these things you know. Solar activity goes in phases that have been the same for as long as they have been observed. Y2K was a mistake by computer scientists, this is astronomy. Are you really this daft?

     

    This is not to say I believe the damage will be quite as bad as the worst case scenario, but the sun will definitely flare up in 2013.

  2. So how come the solar flare in 1921 didn't burn down every telegraph station and every house with a telephone? And ground current? That's a lot of ground current. And how come the entire power grid didn't shut down, they had electricity back then. There are fires and equipment damage by lightning strikes every day, so what?

     

    Modern electronics are much more sophisticated so a lot more vulnerable. Also the thing the experts are most worried about are satellites, plus i think this storm is supposed to be much, much stronger than the one in 1921. I quote:

     

    Senior space agency scientists believe the Earth will be hit with unprecedented levels of magnetic energy from solar flares after the Sun wakes “from a deep slumber” sometime around 2013, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.

     

    Naturally this is a prediction, but considering how regular space phenomenons are I'd say it's more likely that they're right.

     

    Here's some of the things that happened in 1921:

     

    The prelude to this particular storm began with a major sunspot sighted on the limb of the sun vast enough to be seen with the naked eye through smoked glass. The spot was 94,000 miles long and 21,000 miles wide and by May 14th was near the center of the sun in prime location to unleash an earth-directed flare. The 3-degree magnetic bearing change among the five worst events recorded ended all communications traffic from the Atlantic Coast to the Mississippi. At 7:04 AM on May 15, the entire signal and switching system of the New York Central Railroad below 125th street was put out of operation, followed by a fire in the control tower at 57th Street and Park Avenue. No one had ever heard of such a thing having happened during the course of an auroral display. The cause of the outage was later ascribed to a 'ground current' that had invaded the electrical system. Railroad officials formally assigned blame for a fire destroyed the Central New England Railroad station, to the aurora. Telegraph Operator Hatch said that he was actually driven away from his telegraph instrument by a flame that enveloped his switchboard and ignited the entire building at a loss of $6,000.

     

    Over seas, in Sweden a telephone station was 'burned out', and the storm interfered with telephone, telegraph and cable traffic over most of Europe. Aurora were visible in the Eastern United States, with additional reports from Pasadena California where the aurora reached zenith.

     

    Imagine this happening to every electronic device on the planet. Imagine a lightning striking every power line at the same time.

     

    On a somewhat unrelated note, I find it amusing how you choose to doubt experts on every field based on nothing but your gut and "common sense". You should join the flat earth society :grin:

  3. As commandos, they're probably trained to shoot in the head. Plus if you're close, that's where the shot naturally lines up, and there's no time to aim.

     

    You probably have no idea what you're talking about.

  4. I said it in the last thread and I'll say it again: Israel aggressive foreign policy is not sustainable and will end in an all out war with the Arab world (again). Ending the discrimination against non-Jews and the apartheid against Palestinians is a top priority if they want to last more than a decade.

     

    Um, call me anal for getting bogged down in details, but didn't Israel thrash the Arab world last time this happened? :*

     

    I'm pretty sure USA doesn't want to open up another front and things are pretty different from the 60's. Israel might have superior weapons, but their edge isn't as huge as it used to be.

  5. I said it in the last thread and I'll say it again: Israel aggressive foreign policy is not sustainable and will end in an all out war with the Arab world (again). Ending the discrimination against non-Jews and the apartheid against Palestinians is a top priority if they want to last more than a decade.

  6. Once again, they're not starving. But I guess there's no evidence that will convince someone like you.

    so, I guess taking all your clothes and leaving you with a 4"X4" square of wool would be all right to you for public modesty?

     

     

    I guess Dagon gets his income by going through garbage like many are forced to in Gaza since he sees nothing wrong with it.

  7. Um... I don't see that it's Israel's fault if Hamas try to prosecute a war they can't win in conventional terms. In fact new thought: if one is fighting an unconventional opponent then surely the conventional modes of war are BY DEFINITION redundant? Do we need a new law of unconventional warfare? There's certainly a lot of unconventional war a-going on.

     

    There's always two sides to a war. I don't see Israel giving up one bit of what they've won in the war. 200, hell even 100 years ago they could have just butchered and raped the Palestinians into submission. Now such tactics have consequences far worse than what they'd actually win.

     

    That doesn't mean that they should leave Israel alone to commit war crimes and an unlawful blockade and steal the palestinian land.

    They've been stealing Palestinian land since the 30s. No one is going to do anything about it now.

     

    Actually it looks like people are just starting to do something about it.

     

    Israel cannot win the war against Gaza/Hamas. They've gone as far as they can, and are now slowly starving 1.5 million people with that blockade. There are two options: complete annihilation or a truce that Hamas accepts. I don't honestly know which one they want more.

  8. No one is denying Gazans are undergoing hardships. But the reason for that is that Hamas is at war with Israel, and war means hardships at the least. Gazans voted for Hamas and cheered and celebrated suicide bombers. Now they're reaping what they sowed.

     

    Yes, yet that doesn't remove the fact that Israel is committing human rights violations in Gaza. The whole blockade is unlawful, the "war" is basically one-sided and Israel keeps on settling Palestinian land, despite the UN and the US both condemning it. No one is saying Hamas isn't responsible for the situation as well, it's just that there's not much they're doing to keep the war going or can do to end it.

  9. Yes, the only country which ever violates human rights in UN's view is Israel. If you don't understand how biased (or really hateful) of Israel that association of tyrants and murderers is, you really don't belong in this discussion.

     

    Given your track record in this thread I'd say your opinions are skewed to say the least. Dismissing a well documented humanitarian disaster with a link to a picture of a table full of apples for example.

     

    I don't see any bias against Israel. I see reports of violations of human rights in Israel, same as I've seen reports of Spain, Mexico and multiple other places.

    It wasn't a table full of apples, it was a whole market full of food. If you can't even understand what you're looking at, read this:

    Yes and as I explained, there are 1.5 million people in Gazam the vast majority of who can't afford to pay the prices the smugglers and markets are asking for the food.

     

    Gazans lament where they can't go more than what they can't buy. They also decry the lack of employment -- with no building supplies and few trade possibilities, joblessness is rampant. Once an exporter of fruits and other goods, Gaza has been turned into a mini-welfare state with a broken economy where food and daily goods are plentiful, but where 80 percent of the population depends on charity. Hospitals, schools, electricity systems and sewage treatment facilities are all in deep disrepair.

     

    Yet if you walk down Gaza City's main thoroughfare -- Salah al-Din Street -- grocery stores are stocked wall-to-wall with everything from fresh Israeli yogurts and hummus to Cocoa Puffs smuggled in from Egypt. Pharmacies look as well-supplied as a typical Rite Aid in the United States.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...ST2010060204691

     

    Yes, that link says that the vast majority of people in Gaza are living in impoverished conditions and can't afford the bare necessities of life. A quote:

     

    Some of the restrictions on consumer goods are hard to explain -- like a ban on nutmeg or coriander. Others seem designed to create as much pressure as possible.

     

    "Margarine is permitted in small packages for household consumption, but it is banned in large buckets because it's a factory input that would allow people to have jobs and engage in economic work," said Sari Bashi, executive director of Gisha, a not-for-profit organization whose goal is to protect freedom of movement of Palestinians. "The closure is explicitly designed to cripple Gaza's economy."

     

    Now, he said, "I see people spending 10 hours a day for [$5] digging up stones."

     

    What was that link exactly meant to prove?

  10. Yes, the only country which ever violates human rights in UN's view is Israel. If you don't understand how biased (or really hateful) of Israel that association of tyrants and murderers is, you really don't belong in this discussion.

     

    Given your track record in this thread I'd say your opinions are skewed to say the least. Dismissing a well documented humanitarian disaster with a link to a picture of a table full of apples for example.

     

    I don't see any bias against Israel. I see reports of violations of human rights in Israel, same as I've seen reports of Spain, Mexico and multiple other places.

     

    Wikipedia isn't the most trustworthy of sources, but assuming those numbers are right I'd say that apparently the majority of countries in the UN (who are not all muslim) think Israel is in the wrong here, which I agree with. Why they haven't paid more attention to humanitarian disasters in other places is a good question and they well should. That doesn't mean that they should leave Israel alone to commit war crimes and an unlawful blockade and steal the palestinian land.

  11. I mean after all Israel broke a truce and demolished most of the Gaza infrastructure, killing more innocents than Hamas would have in the same amount of time. To the point that Israel was accused of war crimes, as was Palestinian militants.

    The wikipedia link (which in itself is a very biased UN prevention of human rights commission report) does not give any evidence that Israelis broke the truce, in fact it only says the ceasefire was brought to a de-facto end by Israel's use of force on Nov 4, without stating a reason for the use of force.

     

    Wait, you actually think that the UN is biased against Israel? Or are they just biased for human rights in general?

  12. Also, Im curious, where is the rending of cloth and knashing of teeth over the fact that Egypt has maintained the land blockade of Gaza all these years? Oh right, they arent Israel.

     

    It doesn't make Israel any less responsible for the situation.

     

    No gnashing of teeth over that because no one died recently related to it.

     

    Huh? Havent you read the preceeding pages with links upon links of starving children and nuns? It could even be argued that Egypt is MORE responsible since far more goods can be carried over land then sea.

     

    Pardon? Israel has a land connection to Gaza as well. They've actually got 3x more of land border with Gaza than Egypt has.

  13. The plot thickens: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/0...iran-aid-convoy

     

    Iran has warned that it could send Revolutionary Guard naval units to escort humanitarian aid convoys seeking to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza a move that would certainly be challenged by Israel.

     

    If this is for real and not just empty threats, unless some slick diplomacy is used and soon this could spiral the middle east into an all out war. The US surely cannot afford another active front, so that would leave Israel alone against Iran, a war that's not as easy as beating a few ragged Hamas fighters into submission. Add Turkey or any Arab nation into the mix and Israels future prospects look pretty dark.

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