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1 hour ago, Guard Dog said:
They are actually illegal here believe it or not.
The National Firearms Act, one of those panic laws that were made to attack organized crime. The irony is that the mafia was stealing guns from the National Guard and the law mostly affects lawful citizens.
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10 hours ago, Hurlshot said:
40 hours a week should be considered busting your butt. A healthy person should be getting 8 hours of sleep a day, so that leaves you with 16 hours a day. So spending half of your waking hours during a 5-day work week is certainly a significant amount of time and should be enough to have a decent life during the non-work hours. No one said anything about raking in millions.
You should also all be exercising about 90 minutes a day. I don't understand why that is hard. I average about 10 hours a week and people act like that is a big time commitment. It's not, and I get way more benefit out of that then I do my 40-hour work week. But that might be another topic.
To be honest I don't think most people work 40 hours a week, they're at work 40 hours a week. I'm a big proponent of the 3.5 day work week if done correctly.
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1 hour ago, KaineParker said:
There is no struggle against authority which is completely different, and Hong Kongers are accused of the same **** as protestors here. The only real difference is that you support one government putting down the boot and not the other.
To boot, you're obfuscating and victim blaming, which is par for the course. People shouldn't have to be model citizens not to be targeted by jack booted state officials, regardless of any characteristics. Men commit violent crimes more than women and male on male crime is the biggest cause of death for the fellas. Do you think it would be fair to say that because men made a culture out of toxic masculinity for police to start aggressively targeting men?
Nope, I just don't think the comparison is fair as the politics are completely different and to my initial point before people got carried away with the specifics of the language, I"m condemning the looting which seems a common occurrence in these events and my perceived lack of admonishment by the media.
1 hour ago, KaineParker said:Lmao swap "CCP' for "CIA' or "State Department" and this is exactly what China stans say. I guess one thing yall can agree on is that Hong Kongers can't tell their own stories without being pawns of a nefarious organization.
There's a lot money pumped into institutions by global actors that are securing their narrative. Regardless of the framing, the HK people rebelled against an encroaching totalitarian regime. I would hope we can agree on that.
1 hour ago, KaineParker said:Do you think ethnic cleansing is "live and let live" behavior?
Nope, different times and more complex situation. I don't subscribe to the idea of the noble savage, whilst some tribes were not at fault the savage attacks of others did much to earn retaliation. Also, removal its not ethnic cleansing.
1 hour ago, KaineParker said:This is like some sort of self-help tweetbot. Reducing success to "just work extra hours" is some clown ****.
I often find that people that think like you don't actually try it. 2 hours a day over the course of a year comes to 730 hours, that's more than enough to develop a good level of proficiency in a skill. But if you rather watch a movie that's fine, just don't blame your luck when you're not trying (not you in particular, the general you.
1 hour ago, KaineParker said:This is, again, bull****. There is no approval, tacit or explicit, of rioting from mainstream media, and the only "black media" I've seen supporting it is radical media run by folks outside the political spectrum that already believes the US should be destroyed. Most black celebs are focusing on a man being murdered more than the looting, but their comments are **** like "this is why voting is important" because the author of the infamous crime bill will surely be the guy to tackle police brutality. And the idea that low standards is more oppression than disproportionate policing is utterly laughable. Like white people thinking you can't do anything is worse than the disproportionate responses from police or less job opportunities.
Funny, if we were having this conversation without the benefit of anonymity I would be cancelled. If I however said the most heinous things about white people and cops I would expect to met with agreement. This is what the mainstream is about, they're just not as explicit about it as the radicals. Black entertainers like the media are not about to potentially offend their base by insinuating that the looting its wrong. Failure to do so creates the perception of silent approval (even if incorrect) that emboldens the extremist behavior. It's why we are in this situation in the first place, when people go tribal they stop holding people accountable and you see the worst come out. That goes for the looters and the cops.
I would have challenge the idea of disproportionate policing, generally black neighborhoods have high crime rates. It makes sense that a lot of policing happens there, and it is good as it happens to make black neighborhoods safer. Bad policing should be condemned, but the alternative is no policing and a rise in crime. I think it was in Chicago where the mayor decided to side with protesters and the cops just reduced their levels of proactive policing. That just led to more crime.-
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16 minutes ago, 213374U said:
And I'm glad you're learning new skills. Doctors too, learn new skills for about ten years before they are ready. And you have AIs that can diagnose certain diseases with greater accuracy, and robots that can perform simple surgeries better than humans. An artist never really stops learning, but "art" produced by computer programs is good enough that most people can't tell the difference. That's happening right now. Look back twenty years and think about how much the world has changed. So I hope you'll remember this conversation when twenty years from now a "self-made" data scientist sneers at you for not having learned how to code complex analysis algorithms in whatever language they use by then, from an online course in your spare time.
In 20 years from now I'll be either getting ready for retiring in Costa Rica or selling complex 3D printable models online. With the advent of more advanced 3d printers, I can safely say that my job its somewhat secure.
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12 minutes ago, Zoraptor said:
Nothing wrong with being a steel plant worker or whatever, I really couldn't care less what job people work 99% of the time- but the vast majority of such workers will not be retraining in the way Hillary suggested or you seem to be suggesting because it's fricking impossible for them to and there simply aren't enough Economy 2.0 jobs out there. The fantasy that there are is convenient because it places all the blame on those who fail. Everyone doing an online course to become a web designer or starting their own business is utterly impractical. Most importantly, the situation with Steel Towns in the US is identical to what we have here with single industry towns like the Freezing Works Town- once the big employer goes the vast majority of the money is gone too, immediately. Good luck opening up hundreds of new businesses in a town with much of its workforce unemployed, or competing as a self taught web designer against tens or hundreds of thousands of others.
As for the handyman, trades are an absolutely fantastic option for many. My brother in law is an engineer- and after 4 years at uni he'd be making more money for less hours worked if he'd stayed as an electrician. But, you can't have the entire steel plant retrain to be electricians or builders when there's no money in the town any more, what are they going to build or wire when no one has any money? End of the day if you're in a service type industry you have to be serving people with money or you are going to fail.
That certainly will become an issue in the future as automation takes over.I can only hope that new jobs open up as technology advances but I don't see a clear solution.
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16 minutes ago, 213374U said:
So despite there being non-blacks rioting too and by your own admission it being limited to non-law abiding blacks, this is a "black" behavior how?
Also, I really hope you're making headway on those free online network analysis courses. Advanced math is not something you just teach yourself overnight and it's not a question of if but when, that glorified Roombas will be able to do your job, whatever it is, for a fraction of what you make. Good luck.
Fair enough, maybe the language is incensing. I do stand by the fact that you can accurately predict a black riot shortly after an incident involving a black death by a person of a different race.
I'm not, I am however learning hardsurface sculpting, organic and anatomy sculpting, tried my hand at Marvelous designer and during the years I was inactive in the forums learned to 3D print and design for 3D printing. Your reductio ad absurdum completely misses the point that we all have transferable skills from our professions that would lend to another job, which would only require minimal retraining. I don't know why people like to be hyperbolic and expect a truck driver to become a day trader, he/she could move on to being a mechanic or a train driver -
2 minutes ago, KaineParker said:
Look into the deaths of Ferguson protesters over the years.
Has no clear evidence that it was the police, specially considering the level expertise to pull off suicides. You are making a better case that George Soros was behind the deaths than the Police department.
3 minutes ago, KaineParker said:And people here are justified in resisting against state encroachment here, when it kills, imprisons, and monitors them. People everywhere are justified in doing this.
The political situation of HK is completely different to the US, also the HK didn't make a culture out gangster behavior. It's hard to say that black people are unjustly targeted when ghettos are high in crime and black on black crime is one of the leading causes of death, and yes police shootings are in that list.
7 minutes ago, KaineParker said:Yeah, independent groups of journalists like Lausan is pretty good. State media is as bad as CNN.
I tend to look suspiciously on those groups since the CCP has their hands in a lot of organizations that aren't directly related to the state.
9 minutes ago, KaineParker said:It must have been another Orogun01 who said they liked Andrew Jackson because he "kicked out the jews who ran the federal reserve".
Nope, still the same guy and I still love that guy. Specially since the Fed is a scam on the world's people.
10 minutes ago, KaineParker said:That there's a significant amount of people in America who do work hard yet don't make a better life for themselves despite trying, and that they just aren't black. Most people I know bust their ass for 40 hours every week and things like stable housing or retirement are out of reach. The idea that making it just requires hard work runs in the face of reality.
I don't know what you mean by better life, it seems like they are at least making a living. If you have a career you can develop into a better position, if you have connections you can find jobs at better places. I don't think everyone can just become wealthy but I don't think that's a reasonable measure of improvement. My point is simple if you try to make a better life for yourself you can succeed, I'm sorry that the people you know are content with their lot in life and don't put the extra hours to better their career or find a better one.
16 minutes ago, KaineParker said:Could have fooled me.
Anyways, this is a load of bull****. Gangsta Rap isn't the base of contemporary black culture, it isn't even the majority of hip hop as a genre of music. Even just talking about "black entertainers" (and assuming they are the entirety of a community is a ridiculous stretch) most of the time I see them saying something it's about supporting black businesses or getting educated or some vague social justice thing. This bit reads like someone watched a music video and based their entire view on black people on it.
Most of the time black men aren't being shot by the cops, but the tacit or sometimes explicit approval by both the regular mainstream media and black media during these events certainly does normalize the violent behavior. I don't assume they're the entire community, they're just the representatives with the biggest platforms so when they play into the narrative of black oppression, when the only real oppression is the expectation of low standards we have for them.
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11 minutes ago, 213374U said:
Who are you talking about? Here or elsewhere? Who is defending crime? Who is pounding you?
Look, I really hate how everything is sexist or racist or whatever-ist and that is used to immediately shut down debate these days, but if you say that blacks rioting is a "mainstay" of the US, that is pretty much by definition a racist remark. You are ascribing a specific behavior to a certain race. It also just happens to be patently wrong because it's not hard to find videos with non‑blacks participating in the riots.
Since 2005 we get almost yearly, at least some form of riot caused by black outrage. I'm ascribing it to every member of the race, but the pattern holds. If you look through my posts you would clearly see I separate lawful black people from hoodlums as I dislike the fact that they're both bundled up together in the mind of Americans.
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18 minutes ago, Hurlshot said:
Yep. My right is broken. I am left handed, so most stuff is not a problem, but I never trained to use the mouse with my left. I am getting more proficient. 6 weeks to practice.
Is it a just a fracture? I met someone that had their bone pulverized, hope that's not the case.
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3 minutes ago, Amentep said:
I see african-american politicians, religious leaders, and others condemning any violent protest and advocating for non-violence everytime this type of violence has broken out. And often calling for non-violence before the protests start. So...not sure what you're on about.
Sorry for the confusion, within the context of my post I referred to the black community as being a group of black entertainers. That's whom I'm referring, hi profile black people that tend to throw more kindle into the fire. Obviously members of the community would oppose it as they're directly affected by it.
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5 minutes ago, Zoraptor said:
Everyone being able to pull themself up by their bootstraps is a complete fallacy (as intended by the idiom itself). The US does have a lot of potential social mobility, but you absolutely require some luck to go along with the hard work, and a lot of people who work extremely hard never make any progress for reasons way beyond their control- like, say, a global recession caused by a pandemic putting you and 38 million others out of work, most of whom are looking to get into very few available replacement jobs.
Ironically, the fantasy of all the redundant steel plant workers and auto assemblers of the US bootstrap pulling to become web engineers and making tech start ups won Donald Trump and lost Hillary Clinton the last election because it was so obviously a fantasy.
We have different thoughts on what "making it" means, I think of making a living as making it. Apparently you think that being a steel plant worker is not. More so with all the online courses there's no excuse other than not wanting to go through the effort (insurmountable as it might seem) Alternatively there are other jobs they can occupy that pay well and don't require them to change careers or take 20 different courses. I know a master handyman who makes a heck of a living working for wealthy people.
9 minutes ago, Zoraptor said:Sure you do. It's almost always the most marginalised groups that behave that way. In France it's typically north africans from the banlieux (not black africans; arabs/ berbers) and in the UK it's typically 'asians' (by the stupid UK usage of term; from the Indian subcontinent). Elsewhere it's typically poorer people from the dominant ethnicity. The common factor is being poor and marginalised, not any tone of skin.
While I agree with your examples and I know that with mass immigration comes a wave of crime (we clearly seen that pattern repeated in the US) I was referring to minority groups within the US.
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36 minutes ago, KaineParker said:
Yes, crowd control is a different animal than surveillance or police brutality. When the dust settles you're going to see prosecution of everyone that the state can identify, and some "suicides". This also is what is happening in Honk Kong, as opposed to the tanks being rolled in to massacre protesters.
That seems like a bit of a conspiracy theory, "suicides"? HK has a legitimate claim as Beijing has been encroaching on their rights and overtaking their government. Black rioting is a predictable mainstay of the US, there's nothing exceptional about this situation
36 minutes ago, KaineParker said:Then I can only assume your knowledge of Hong Kong comes solely from western media or that you think that broken glass and fire materializes out of air.
I guess you take your news from China then? I said minimal, as in I haven't seen HK protesters try to rob a burned out bar when the news are interviewing the owner.
36 minutes ago, KaineParker said:I assume you're a /pol/yp nationalist that developed into the Trump Internet Defense Force rather than admit you'd been had. I got your point, I gave you an example of some people who haven't made it in this country who aren't a racial minority and have similarly poor living standards to the minority you allude to.
I take my new from where I can so I can have a complete point, but you're off the mark. I'm a left leaning centrist with heavy libertarian leanings, a live and let live kinda guy.
I gave you an example of people who went trough extraordinary circumstances to escape poverty, why aren't those white people migrating? I don't get your point, I gave an example of people that are in the US making a better life for themselves as proof that you can make it if you try.36 minutes ago, KaineParker said:I've played this game hundreds of times at this point. Just come out and say what you think about this particular minority group.
Why do you conflate the worst elements of a minority with their best? I"m not a MS-13 gangbanger despite being an immigrant. I can only imagine what a decent black person thinks when they're told that looters and gangsters are their equal.
But to illustrate my point; you don't get to make a culture out of gangsta rap and then be surprised people think bad of you. My frustration comes at the lack of accountability by the black community (which is really just black entertainers) I'm talking common sense in a forum and a bunch of white people (I assume) are ready to pound me for my apparent racism. Is it too much to ask for the black community to communicate that looting is wrong and that it is hurting their cause? You know, hold your people up to a decent standard instead of defending crime. -
9 minutes ago, KaineParker said:
You can just as easily say one is fighting against police repression while the other is using a law designed to charge a murderer as an exuse to ransack stores. Both are movements against encroaching police states and both have actors who engage in rioting, looting, and assault. If you're going to support one but not the other it's because you have biases outside of objecting to violence and crime.
Folks in Appalachia got legs, I assume that holds true for folks in the rust belt. What they don't got is money or opportunities to get it. Given your apparent politics I'd assume you'd be familiar because they were a big factor in the narrative about how damaging free trade has been.
...so there's such a dangerous police state that the police station was burned down and the looters are allowed to rampage. I'm going to support HK because I know China is a totalitarian dictatorship. I'm not going to support looting because that's just robbery, HK has near no reports of looting or damage to property. Saying that they're the same its like saying ISIS are like the founding fathers.
I don't know what you assume my "apparent politics" are; but my point its simple, people can make it in this country. How come every other racial minority has made it here, some to the point that they're being handicapped by institutions? You just don't see behavior like this from other minority groups. -
9 minutes ago, KaineParker said:
If it's the looters or the cops, I'll side with the looters just as I do in the conflict of Hong Kong.
Ever been to appalachia or the rust belt?
One are fighting for freedom from a totalitarian regime, the other are using a man's death as an excuse to ransack stores. If you think they're the same you're mental.
Never been to Appalachia, I have however met lots of Hispanics that walked a desert to be here. They don't have legs in Appalachia? -
I cannot understand why someone would be on the side of the looters, I guess some people don't value their property, safety and don't care about that of others.
And nobody better dare come up with the whole "marginalized" spiel, maybe some dumb white mothereffers believe that but I know brown people that barely speak the language that are surviving and struggling to do better. If you can't make your life better in the US its because you're not trying.-
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Socialism and having corpses decide legislation, funny how the left seems to be going full Inca.
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4 hours ago, Hurlshot said:
I think it is Saturday. Very anticlimactic.
One, Saturday is great we get to see the launch cause we're not at work
Two, It's going to rain Saturday. It's been raining nonstop in Florida, you'd think someone got pregnant from an angel or something. -
2 hours ago, Malcador said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minneapolis-police-george-floyd-fatal-arrest-officer-kneeling-neck/
Good news is the 4 cops are fired at least.
Quite frankly at least the guy that put the knee over should be tried for manslaughter, I guess the DA isn't ruining his/her relations with the PD. Ain't that some BS?.....y'all down with OPP?
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51 minutes ago, Azdeus said:
I'm happy to hear you're ok, Hurl, hope you get a speedy recovery
Speedy?!!! you're so insensitive.
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2 hours ago, Malcador said:
https://gizmodo.com/leaked-senate-talking-points-say-internet-surveillance-1843612179
Have to admire the brass on some of the reasoning
"As an example, the FBI discovers a known foreign intelligence officer located in the United States taking pictures of the Hoover dam over the course of several days. Absent probable cause for a FISA warrant, and absent criminal investigative tools without evidence of a crime being committed, this amendment would preclude the FBI from requesting Business Records for the individual’s web browsing information to determine if the foreign intelligence officer visited a website on how to blow up dams. "
Well, this is it folks. As soon as that law passes, I'm going to jail.
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7 hours ago, Guard Dog said:
The LP has nominated Jo Jorgensen to be our Presidential nominee. I have nothing against her. She is very smart and well educated. MBA at SMU and PhD in Psychology at Clemson. She is a professor there when she is not on the LP executive committee. Yes, she is a party hack. The biggest problem is no one has ever heard of her. And that is not likely to change between now and November.
Basically she was the best of bad choices. Jacob Hornberger is pretty much a terrible person that no one likes and this f-----g guy actually came in third:
The fact that this happened tells you just how lost the cause is.
You need to understand that a large portions of DNC donations and the donors put a lot of money into sabotaging other parties. If the GOP has been infiltrated by Rhinos then you could safely assume that any party that gains momentum will be sabotaged. I pick on the DNC as it is the one I know there's evidence of wrong doing, AFAIK the GOP doesn't.
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Calcium, lots of calcium
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9 minutes ago, ComradeMaster said:
Yeah keep telling yourself that. Crime, poverty, and inequality may just go away if you keep worshipping the number crunching market God.
Like @Gorth I don't have the answers but I'm willing to bet that voting against these 2 parties that got us into this is probably the best place to start.
Notice how every Democrat who runs as a progressive (medicare for all, better wages, higher learning etc) always ends up getting sucked into the corporate machinery of the party?
It's just proof that Democrats on their own are not enough to improve things or successfully tackle the Republicans, they need a 3rd party to "fuse" with.
I honestly don't think you understand market economics, but that's due to the fact that you likely grew in monopoly (at least a visual one) and aren't involved in production. I too used to think that way until I got a small corporate job and saw how a small company owned a large share of their product market. Since then I became very interested in how businesses grow and I will tell you that there are a lot more factors to inequality than Millionaires are bad. I don't know your economic background but I've; by virtue of mine, met people that are housekeepers. They're essentially janitors to rich people, but are payed way more than janitors. That's the market economy, some people have more capital than others and can pay more for services. Now if those services are too expensive, like they're mandated to give them healthcare (which leads to inflated prices because of price inflation) they will likely get a roomba and call it a day.
Leftist social programs don't work because they always start from the premise of "Infinite money dumped into this issue will solve it" which is never the case.-
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1 minute ago, ComradeMaster said:
I'm just saying every system has its supporters. I'd say any extreme is bad, cap or com. Capcom? Well, we now know where they got that name from!
Anyway, billionares should not exist and every job should be able to support a home to varying degrees. Nobody should have to kill themselves to live.
There's a difference between academical hypothetical and reality. You can think and believe that Communism works, it's a whole different thing to look people who suffered and fled Communism in the face and tell them they were wrong.
As per your attempt to deflect; billionaires create better opportunities by paying premium for common services. Pricing has little to do with billionaires and in a healthy market with competition companies could price themselves out of existence, companies should not be accountable for consumer behavior (although if you can prove price gouging and scamming then they should pay retributions) People that are killing themselves to live are in extreme situations and are not the norm, you do better by them by providing them with better opportunities than by subsidizing them. The former has them likely becoming part of one or several industries and gaining skills that would make them more marketable in the job market, the latter finances mediocrity and uselessness
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I'm around 10 miles where some of the protests are taking place thanks to a coordinated BLM effort to make this thing global. There's no hell to bad for George Soros and the cronies that support him.