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Knowing Eder and based on his convo with Hiravias, he's probably just dumb and think Orlan are cute for being tiny or something.He is definitely not doing it intentionally no, he is anything but malicious. But I think he barely considers them more than animals... He got better in Deadfire, but still.
Eder does refer to Orlans as animals at one point in Deadfire. He says something like "yeah I like all kinds of animals dogs, cats, Orlans." Ugly old Drywoodian racism. He got some well deserved dislike points from Pallegina for saying it. I agree that he's not malicious on it, unfortunately it was how he was raised, and the culture in the Drywood at the time.
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I finished this last night, and I just want to know what happened to the gods from the first game? As messed up as they were they still had an overall feel to them, an overall presence. Some of the verbal sparing with them in the first game were some of my favorite moments. Now they seem like characters from a 70's cartoon or comic book. I mean they could of all rolled up in the Mystery Mobile during one of their little chat interludes and I wouldn't have been all that surprised. And this whole reincarnation and the wheel? Retcon? I don't even know anymore.
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With regards to Eder not being romanceable, a few pieces of the puzzle dropped into place for me when he first mentioned Elafa's personality. Specifically, she's pretty loud when being friendly, she's short and ill-tempered, the sort to push a pistol up the nostrils of any uninvited guests. So, an unladylike, uncouth ass-kicker of the roughest sort.
Now if we think about it, in all our travels so far, which women's company did Eder particularly enjoy above and beyond the usual courteous demeanour he treats his fellow Companions with? As a matter of fact, there's only one; Iselmyr. Who also fits the aforementioned description.
Tl;dr Eder isn't interested in romance with Xoti or the Watcher, because he has a type.
Well Aloth says my character is like Iselmyr (aggressive/passionate) in dialogue she has with him. So...? This isn't me having a problem with your response but how the writer of Eder's character doesn't give any response.
I just think this whole Eder personal quest was handled poorly, romance or not. It's essentially a rehash of the 2015 novella "The Reaping." For those who haven't read the story this whole ex-girlfriend story line comes out of nowhere, and for those who did read it, makes it even more questionable why it was included at all. To be fair though the novella gives an overall better characterization of Elafa than the game ever does. Elafa in the novella knows exactly what she wants, what she doesn't, and tells Eder this. It seems this whole personal quest is a step back with Eder's character rather than a step forward. The events in the novella occurred fifteen to twenty years prior to Deadfire, and for some reason Eder learn nothing from it? Eder's character takes an even further step back when he opts to take care of her son, if you read the short story that's not what Efala wanted Eder to do.
My take is that Eder doesn't really know what he wants. But nowhere in the game is PC able to discuss this with him. He states that wanting to find Elafa isn't a love thing. He talks to Pallegina about kids. Maia points out that he seemly dwells on "what if's." Still there isn't any way for your character to ask him about it. Not even on a friend level. I don't even remember Eder thanking the Watcher for saving Elafa's son. It just comes off to me as an inconsistent mess, and there is only so much I can blame on bugs.
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I also don't want to spoil anything, but if you have Iselmyr in Aloth, bring her to meet the Death Guard in Berath's Catacombs in Neketaka.
Wishing that I had suppressed her. The only time I liked her around when she was gabbing with that undead knight in Berath's Hanging Gardens. Otherwise it's just gotten old.
Well, color me intrigued. Apologies for hijacking the thread, but can you guys share some screens of this exchange?
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Can we have a mod just constantly moving spoiler-requesting posts to a more appropriate forum? It's getting tiresome when you want to help but don't want to break rules. I'm spoiler tagging, for what it's worth.
There is a small stall at the entrance of the palace district, I remember seeing mother of pearls there.
Had anyone found black pearls???
I need one to uncurse a special sword...
There's a guy at the Dunnage inn who swallowed a black pearl to keep it from getting stolen. If you help him get it out of his body, it's yours.
Also in Dunnage, at the Radiant Court, there's a bounty hunter whose marks carry pieces of a treasure map. If you assemble it, it'll point the way to a treasure I believe holds two black pearls, among other things.
Well, I made a similar post earlier in the non spoiler section and was told it probably didn't count as spoilers. Oh well. I'll go back there next time.
This entire section is flagged as spoiler warning. If someone is in this section of the forums and is complaining about spoilers then that's on them not you. If you're worried about posting spoilers keep posting here you're in the right area they are not.
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Leave it to Iselmyr to to state that he probably has the same wormy bits in is crotch as he does on his head. Yeah thanks Iselmyr now I can't unsee.
So glad I had him suppress her.
That said he does tell you there's some bulbous luminescence so...lol.
Wishing that I had suppressed her. The only time I liked her around when she was gabbing with that undead knight in Berath's Hanging Gardens. Otherwise it's just gotten old.
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Leave it to Iselmyr to to state that he probably has the same wormy bits in is crotch as he does on his head. Yeah thanks Iselmyr now I can't unsee.
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Also I'm wondering if anyone else has had the event where a drunken crewmember knocks on the Watcher's door asking for sex? Apparently everyone on that ship wants the Watcher except for Eder and Pallegina.
I finally got that event, but the only drunk on my ship was 70-something Eld Elgrim who babysits Vela, so it was extra skeezy.
The only crew member I wish would proposition my Watcher is Caergr the Pale Elf, and he is marked "ascetic".
Nasty. I just had a different one where a crew member walks in and just starts stripping, and my Watcher is like WTF! It was the Orlan helmsman, name starts with a L, he's marked "impulsive."
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To be fair, that one was on Bioware, Obsidian only did NWN2. The dead former lover thing was also present in Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic, with Carth Onasi, and Jade Empire, with Sky. I guess we were supposed to be grateful that Anomen in Baldur's Gate 2 only compared the PC to his dead sister...
Personally, I kind of groaned when Boone in Fallout New Vegas had the same backstory (dead wife), but I thought it was done better than any of the Bioware examples. I really don't understand why it was dredged up here. It's not done well, we all are familiar with the trope of Women in Refrigerators in 2018, and there were about a million and one better ways to go with his personal quest than this.
I'm just putting it out there, if Obsidian wants to use my idea for a quest where Eder takes down the back alley puppy mills of Neketaka, they can use it for free.
Don't forget Thane in Mass Effect 2 with the dead wife. Yeah, they can never just have a bad breakup or something in their past. She always has to be dead and the guy is filled with regret for the rest of his life, and the PC has to try to pick up the pieces.
Like the OP said, and I agree, this is what off regarding Eder's quest in relation to the novella about him and Elafa. She clearly states for Eder to find someone else. That he's "pretending that their relationship is more than what it is." Eder says how do you know its not, she says because I know you. She goes on to say that Eder looks at her with loyalty, and obligation, and the person she use to be and she doesn't want that. So why would his quest involve seeking her out, especially after knowing she had married. Regardless if she is living or dead she already gave him his answer. Was he hoping she had changed her mind, based off of what? Is it about the son he finds out she had and suspects might be his and then finds out isn't? Is it the same misguided, but well intended loyalty and obligation that makes Eder think he needs to take care of Bearne? Sounds like it, do I think Elafa would have wanted that? Nope, she would have wanted her son safe, but also capable of figuring out what he truly wanted just like Eder needs to.
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Not to mention there is a dialogue option with Xoti where the Watcher can tell her "back off Eder is mine" and choke the priestess with her mind. My watcher is a female wood elf and a Cipher if that makes any difference.
There is? I would have liked to see this.
Right. I wasn't expecting it at all. When I saw the the option I had to see how it would play out. My character's relationship with her was minus one at the time. No cruelty points. I think her response while you're crushing the air out of her is something like... "I'll stop I didn't know you two were intended." Xoti will bring it up again though when she hits positive or negative 2 with Eder, and if you chose the back off/choke line you can remind her and she will completely drop it. Crazy.
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I was never one that thought romance should have been in the first game. There is something about the first town your character arrives at having dead people hanging from a tree and children born without souls that kind of sets the tone. At least for me. With that said though, out of the three returning characters, Eder would have been the only one I would have considered a romance choice for my character because of their interaction in the first game. If he wasn't fine, but the story or lack there of behind it is pretty paltry.
Not to mention there is a dialogue option with Xoti where the Watcher can tell her "back off Eder is mine" and choke the priestess with her mind. My watcher is a female wood elf and a Cipher if that makes any difference. I know that Eder specifically states the he isn't into men, and isn't attracted to Orlans. Tekehu isn't the only one who brings up lost potential. Serafen also does, but its more direct. It goes: S: Had me fooled farmer. Eder: How's that? S: About the Watcher. Apparently had her fooled too. Eder: Well, I'm not much for foolin'. Unless it's more like pouring tree sap down someone's breeches. Really I don't know if the writers are just trolling or what, even Eothas asks Eder to look after the Watcher. I'm put off by how it's handled, but I know some friends that are pretty upset over the whole thing. Sending them screenshots of these interactions just sends them into rage mode.
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Does Aloth start a talk with you when you hit 1 approval like Eder does? I cannot find a flirt or any way to start a romance with him for the life of me.
Aloth has the romance option in the level 2 conversation. It can be easy to miss since it's only a certain response that leads to the kiss option. He does have a conversation at level one as well, but I don't remember any flirt options. Sometimes conversations seem to hang up in general. I was spammed by three in a row after reloading a save. As for Aloth, overall his dislike, likes and how conversations are flagged are horribly mismatched, at least it reflects that way in my game. Which leads to a very slow progression or weird mismatched progression. It doesn't make sense at all, to me, that Aloth would have one point with Xoti, zero with the Watcher and minus one with Eder. It's like they simply tagged something as a joke, so all characters who like a joke are going to like it, regardless of what the line is about or the context. This goes for all the different likes and dislikes not just the joke one, that was only an example. Character consistency also goes right out the window because of this.
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Those events are kinda obtuse to me, i don't know.
Like the plague ships?
What are you even supposed to do? Even when i have >100 medicine the only option i have is to either attack them or to say "we dont have any medicine for you" and leaving.
If I'm nice I do the bringing them aboard and curing them because it gives sailor xp. If I'm evil I just loot.
But how do you bring them aboard? I don't get the option, i can only tell them that i don't have the resources (no matter how many resources i actually have)
Do you have a surgeon on board? Are they set in the proper slot?
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I've had the drunken deckhand trying to sleep with the Watcher. The knife throwing, and Ondra events the most. Crew's moral is maxed, with a steady diet of fruit and ale. I think some of the events are based around the personality of the crew. I've had a few of them get into arguments that needed to be settled.
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Just throwing this out there if someone wants to give it a try... I ran across a possible way to farm approval points from both Aloth and Pallegina during the same conversation. It's during the quest A Tidy Performance. You get the quest on Dunnage from the stage performers in the Radiant Court section. During the quest you have to talk to Harker, the owner of King's Coffin about paying off Taerna's debit. When you talk to Harker just pick pay off 700 debt, both Aloth and Pallegina will approve. Harker will then raise the amount, just end the dialogue. Start the conversation again, picking the 700 debt and Aloth and Pallegina will approve again, rise, repeat. Aloth started his level 2 approval conversation because of this. If someone wants to try it to confirm, I reloaded because I didn't want to start the romance then, plus it's an exploit, but now I'm kinda wishing I kept it.
Also I'm wondering if anyone else has had the event where a drunken crewmember knocks on the Watcher's door asking for sex? Apparently everyone on that ship wants the Watcher except for Eder and Pallegina.
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I'm also wondering if these bugs in the companion system are factoring in my disinterest or in some cases overall dislike for the new companions. The only one I like is Serafen. Seriously I would trade all the other new companions for Ydwin who seemed far more interesting with the few dialogue lines she has. Hopefully the buggy companions and dialogue get sorted out. Still pretty disappointed.
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I had this happen with Aloth. I had to exit the game, and restart to get the conversation to work. The conversation was about Aloth's dislike of Tekehu. Overall I have found the companions dialogue and relationships with each other as well as the Watcher to be quiet buggy.
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Xoti and especially Maia were hitting on me way too fast. Turned both of them down, because both beyond the 4th wall as well as in-game I felt I'd just met them. Actually I only could imagine wanting to romance Eder based on time spent together across two games and his character, but apparently we can only have bromance
Wait I do have a question. If you turn Eder down as a fem PC do you still get the option to tell him to leave? (I mean that seems like a vast overreaction to rejection but I can think of one character it'd fit). I wonder how that goes.
You can tell him to leave. I tried it, and he responds "After everything we've been through you want me to leave because of this?" Or something like that. You then have one more chance to change your mind, or tell him to leave. If you stand by him leaving, he will, and your party members will each say something to him. Strangely though his quest still remains active in your journal, might be a bug, I don't know since I reloaded and went with a different answer.
I'm someone who went into this game with no preference for who I'd like to romance and then as soon as I saw Eder waiting by my character's side while she was comatose I was like "...hello there." Suffice to say I was pretty bummed when I learned a bit later that he wasn't an option. Him being the dude who stuck by you the longest and looking after you like that really felt like an obvious romance hook and I'm just surprised they friendzoned him so hard.
Same. Though it was nice to see they had Serafen call Eder out on "fooling" the Watcher about his feelings.
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Official Characters and Romance Thread (Spoiler Version) Part Two
in Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire Stories (Spoiler Warning!)
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Yeah, I don't know if he actually gets called out about it in this game like Hiravias did with him in the first. Having a little dislike symbol doesn't quite have the same effect as someone telling you that your ugly Drywood underbelly is showing.