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Well 30% is a little bit better

 

Even more reason to dual class a rogue i think 

 

Im stunned they ended up nerfing sneak attack though

 

I remember sawyer saying that according to there testing single class rogues where the weakest DPS class but Multi-class rogues where one of the highest

 

I cant believe his way of fixing this was to make the single class rogue even weaker.

 

I was totally thinking he was going to buff the rogue for the purpose of its single class not do this

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Exaggerating there, Cipher has some spells that interrupt on hit, not all of them like Rogue. I don't think that necessarily matters, though, because if you're just looking for interrupt, hobble or blind are probably the best options. Hobble because it's the cheapest, blind because it's cheap and has bonus accuracy. I'd hope there are reasons to use Rogue abilities besides interrupt, but without access to the full game I'm not seeing any.

 

Anyway, 30% isn't that bad as a nerf, but I'm wondering firstly why, and secondly if they got anything to compensate for it. For one, if they have an easier time surviving, that +30% bonus might end up more useful than +50% since they'd last long enough to apply it throughout the fight.

where did you see 30%?

 

people on here are saying 20%

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rogues just got nerfed to oblivion 

 

i suggest anyone aiming to play a rogue does otherwise because they are by far the worst class in the game now

 

Sneak attack just got nerfed to 20%!

 

so sad to see

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not only this i just checked this supposed interrupt thing people are talking about,

 

yeah the rogues get it BUT ONLY ON THERE POWER ATTACKS  its defintely not passive

 

not only that but i just had a look at a cypher and there spells all interrupt aswell.

 

This is not a rogue only benefit that was introduced i think everyone gets it

 

man rogues are now 110% the worst class by far

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Beta 4's sneak Attack = +50% damage

 

Launch game's sneak attack = +20% damage.

 

B4 trickster SA = +20%

 

Launch trickster SA = +10%

 

Cohh streamed Friday, but Saturday there were other streamers with early access that looked at the rogue. It's a confirmed nerf.

this is a fkkn joke

 

there goes playing a rogue total waste of time now

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Any good builds with Rogue/Chanter? And how good is Assassin/Evoker?

you no anything about sneak attack getting nerfed?

 

Yes... I found out today.

 

This doesn't help. I can't choose my class, but I'll probably be a Spellblade, Swashbuckler or Harbinger.

 

what did it get nerfed to ??

 

where have you seen this official?

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Any good builds with Rogue/Chanter? And how good is Assassin/Evoker?

you no anything about sneak attack getting nerfed?

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so a cipher gets biting whip that increases all weapon damage 30% (without having to have an affliction like Sneak attack for it to work) 

 

and a rogues sneak attacks has supposedly been nerfed to 20%  

 

is this a joke?

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anyone know why people are saying on other threads sneak attack is 20%?

 

on beta 4 it is still at 50%

 

?

Early access streams.

witch early access stream ??

 

I watched coohhcarnages one and he looked at the trickster subclass only. It has 10% sneak attack damage becasue of its subclass

It is 20% in beta 4 for trickster. Regular SA is now 20% from 50% (?) in beta 4, and trickster is down to 10% from 20%.

I think these are the numbers. Dont quote me.

 

It sucks. The class was already weak from its mid-high level talent tree, but now I dont know...

 

I'd only MC it right now for interrupts and mobility.

 

I have BETA 4 open right now and sneak attack is at 50%

 

Can anyone confrim if it has been reduced for the release version of the game?

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anyone know why people are saying on other threads sneak attack is 20%?

 

on beta 4 it is still at 50%

 

?

Early access streams. 

 

witch early access stream ??

 

I watched coohhcarnages one and he looked at the trickster subclass only. It has 10% sneak attack damage becasue of its subclass

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anyone know why people are saying on other threads sneak attack is 20%?

 

on beta 4 it is still at 50%

 

?

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hang on i just opened up the BETA version 4 and sneak attack is at 50%?

 

why are people saying it got reduced to 20% ?

 

anyone know??

 

on the Early access the guy used the trickster subclass so i cant see on his youtube vids what it is for game release

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@master guardian:

You already seem to have made up your mind which is a bit sad :/

 

In your original post you said you are open to multiclass a rogue, which considering everything you should really give a try.

i havent made my mind up im trying very hard to make a single class rogue work but they just arent stacking up to other classes 

 

 

Even if you don't love the rogue high level abilities, a single class is still going to have access to level 4-7 abilities a lot faster and more of them as well. May not be enough to sway you, but its definitely worth keeping in mind that you'll have those abilities for a much larger portion of the game, when comparing single vs multi class.

 

 

These power lvl 4-7 abilities actually not so appealing as well. You already got bunch of 'Strike' type abilities from pwr lvl 1-3, the only cool thing later is deathblow. All the rest is just more and more active abilities u can pick from. It feels reductant and duplicated to me, and of course the pool is limited. You can pick 100 different strike ability, but you might only use 1~2 type of them, all rest is wasted.

 

In compare, let's say monk, gain a cool modal Turning Wheel that boost his damage at pwr lvl 6? Got a Teleport and hit kind ability Palegallent path. Got a summon duplicate ability. Much more versatile, more interesting.

 

yeah man i couldnt agree more. 

 

you nailed it on the head

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@master guardian:

You already seem to have made up your mind which is a bit sad :/

 

In your original post you said you are open to multiclass a rogue, which considering everything you should really give a try.

i havent made my mind up im trying very hard to make a single class rogue work but they just arent stacking up to other classes 

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Rogues in POE1 had alot of full attacks that did the excact same thing. So we basically have a greatly nerfed rogue from POE1. 

 

I had a look at a rogues high level abilites on the Early access. They are a complete frickin joke. eg only one level 9 ability and all it does is allow you to make a single attack then go instantly invis for 5 seconds.............really.............really.......that is so crap for there highest level ability its not funny

 

Im not really a fan of the rogues ability attacks because all casters can do far and away better then this

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@the interrupt thing:

 

Some abilities in the game have the added bonus of interrupting. Most of them only interrupt on crit while I believe most (all?) rogue abilities interrupt on hit.

In short if your rogue stands in front of a caster that caster doesn't get to do a whole lot of casting.

 

 

@Rogues in general:

Their true strength lies in multiclassing imho. The fact that you can reach deathblows while being multiclassed gives every martial + rogue class a huge boost at the max level. I think people are sleeping a bit on persistent distraction. Combined with the guardian stance (so fighter multiclassed) means you engage a whole bunch of enemies, take ~20% less damage and put the distracted debuff on everybody (-5 PER & flanked so: -10 deflection -1 armor). This debuff should in theory also be enough to enable your own deathblow attacks.

 

Or pick barbarian, insane action speed and a casters worst nightmare (interrupt on crit, interrupt on every rogue skill, debuff shouts).

so are you saying a rogue has increased interupts on ALL attacks or just when a rogue uses ability attacks like blind, weaken , hobble ect............

 

also do we have any official word from obs on this?

 

and anyone now if backstab is good for both dual weild and two handed style?

 

 

Q1: only when u use an ability, but it's fine since cripple hit only cost 1 guile.

 

Q2: in beta, two handed.

 

this is fckd

 

the way i see it im forced into doing a single class rogue build built like this:

 

- take all the invis abilities eg, shadow, escape, clouds

- backstab ability to utilize above invis abilities

- must use two handed style instead of dual wield because of backstab

- Deathblows works but got nerfed to 50% instead of 100%

 

im not really seeing any other viable builds that can compare to other classes in terms of power

 

and is backstab better with Two handed instead of dual wield becasue only one of the dual weild weapons will apply it or because of the way they scale the damage?

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@the interrupt thing:

 

Some abilities in the game have the added bonus of interrupting. Most of them only interrupt on crit while I believe most (all?) rogue abilities interrupt on hit.

In short if your rogue stands in front of a caster that caster doesn't get to do a whole lot of casting.

 

 

@Rogues in general:

Their true strength lies in multiclassing imho. The fact that you can reach deathblows while being multiclassed gives every martial + rogue class a huge boost at the max level. I think people are sleeping a bit on persistent distraction. Combined with the guardian stance (so fighter multiclassed) means you engage a whole bunch of enemies, take ~20% less damage and put the distracted debuff on everybody (-5 PER & flanked so: -10 deflection -1 armor). This debuff should in theory also be enough to enable your own deathblow attacks.

 

Or pick barbarian, insane action speed and a casters worst nightmare (interrupt on crit, interrupt on every rogue skill, debuff shouts).

so are you saying a rogue has increased interupts on ALL attacks or just when a rogue uses ability attacks like blind, weaken , hobble ect............

 

also do we have any official word from obs on this?

 

and anyone now if backstab is good for both dual weild and two handed style?

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Does backstab work for both for both dual weilding and two handed weapons?

 

I have heard that it foavours two handed weapons much more?

 

Where is boerer when you need him!!!

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It seems like Obsidian is pushing rogues into one-size-fits-all backstabbing mold. I had planned a non-backstabbing Swashbuckler but since they nerfed Disciplined Strikes and Sneak Attack I will have to adapt him into more of a backstabbing build, otherwise he just wont be causing much damage. Sad because that wasn't how I thought of the character at all.

yeah thats what i kind of thought.......

 

The only viable rogue build i see now is one that takes alot of talents like escape, shadow beyond, invis, smoke cloud and then come in and backstab..............

 

im not really seeing any other alternative route

 

anyone no more on the interrupt thing??

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Pretty sure they did it because 50% extra damage is absurd.

 

 

guys if you want to chime in please add some intelligent input instead of just giving your opinion and saying things like "stupid" "absurd" ect..............

 

comments like this are no help to anyone and just steer the thread into immature banter

 

thanks

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Ok

 

Im playing either a rogue single or multi my first playthrough

 

Im trying to do a bit of research on rogues before tommorrow. So far some concerns I have are:

 

- They have nerfed Sneak attack to 20% for both single and multi class rogues. This is a huge drop from the first game of 50%. I think they have done his because multi-class rogues would be to powerful with a 50% sneak attack. I am concerned 20% is to low in fact im nearly 100% certain its to low. Sneak attack is the rogues primary ability and at 20% it just isn't noticeable enough i think. What are eveyones thought on this?? Does anyone have anymore information on this eg does it now scale with level?

 

- Reckless Assault is gone and so are weapon specialization talents that stack accuracy. Also EVERY class now starts with 20 accuracy. In POE1 rogues started with 30.  I consider all this a frickin huge nerf to a rogue because they use to crit like crazy in the first game i suspect no more.

 

- they also nerfed dual weild to 15% speed bonus instead of 20%. This will effect a rogue perhaps more then other classes because rogues have alot of affliction applying full attacks

 

- Apparently Rogues now have an increased interrupt on all attacks? is this true? is this a passive ability you have to select or does every rogue come inherit with it

 

I think OBS have over nerfed the sneak attack to balance multiclass but have weakend a single class rogue to much.

 

Can anyone see or now of any better ways to roll a rogue, eg what are there strengths that you have found?

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Not really.  Multiclassing is definitely much worse for all the caster classes unless you are doing a melee build, there's absolutely no synergy between classes if you're chucking a fireball spell.  

 

Honestly the multi classes look like they have gone through far more balance passes than the single classes due to backer beta.  

This is not true at all

 

there is alot of synergy if you can boost the damage output, casting speed, of the fireball plus a whole lot of other things.

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yeah im staying away from the streams for now.

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OP has advertised to everyone on this forum that he has the attention span of someone who is attracted to free cosmic dogs on magazine covers.................

 

 

Then he decides to have a jibe at other posters for who dont share his apparent well endowed mindset

 

 

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they still make games on CD??

 

honestly didnt know that