Ben No.3

Why am I a **** rider? Because I disagreed with you on one/two political standpoints and challenged something? No, I don't really care about that. Again, I'm not a Trump supporter and as hard as it may be for you and some others to believe, I don't really support alot of his actions but if it makes people feel better, I guess you can continue to falsely label me and resort to the usual troll behavior of name-calling before getting to know where I really stand. Well based on previous posts, seems likely.Precisely. Because I chose not to bash the president or his family that makes me a **** rider. I love forum logic. you won't get anywhere of you spend brainpower defending your persona rather than the ideas you stand for

Just here to remind everyone that puns about communism aren't funny unless everyone gets them.

Sh*t seems to be going down in Catalonia. The Spanish police apparently confiscated ballots since the Spanish government holds a referendum in Catalonia to be unconstitutional. The Catalans beg to differ.

100% natural. No additives were used in the upbringing of the sporelings

I watched this https://youtu.be/hQ6aDLpWON8

I just found out Stanislaw Petrow had been dead since May. Huh.

gay marriage

Reminding of nuances. There are morally universes between the Antifa guys at Berkley and those at Charlottesville.

Visited the IAA, which is the International Automobile Exhibition. Had a good laugh when I saw that Volkswagen made an ad for their car credit program titled "your Declaration of Independence".

Yes TN, document is a document. An order, report etc. Seriously I never would have though I will explain such triviality to an adult. It's starting to bore me to argue a known facts. I will just leave it here: Wiki "Many historians, such as Ian Kershaw, Raul Hilberg, and Martin Broszat, accept that no document exists showing that Hitler ordered the Holocaust." Call Kershaw and tell him his wrong. No one mentioned communism, you did. The question and answer was: Greece.And you came to KP defense so either you claim that Golden Dawn with 17 seats is ruling in Greece and not Syriza with 144 seats then I don't see any point in your response to this.the question wasn't wether they were ruling, it was wether they held "meaningful social or political power", and I backed this claim by showing that the extreme right does indeed hold significant power for an extremist group, especially in comparison to the extreme left.Syriza is literally an acronym that translates to COALITION OF RADICAL LEFT.The hell are you blabering about? It seems like you see nazis everywhere. and North Korea calls itself democratic. They are not communists because they call themselves "Radical Left". Things are sometimes a bit more complicated than the heading. They are by no means as radically left as Nazis are radically right. Btw, you seem to have accepted Nazism as a right wing ideology ?

Tollund Man all the way. You know, he's in such good shape. Beautiful. Seriously though, I have an emotional connection to that one cause it was the first picture of a bog body I ever saw. And I still remember the feeling of seeing it.

No one mentioned communism, you did. The question and answer was: Greece.And you came to KP defense so either you claim that Golden Dawn with 17 seats is ruling in Greece and not Syriza with 144 seats then I don't see any point in your response to this. the question wasn't wether they were ruling, it was wether they held "meaningful social or political power", and I backed this claim by showing that the extreme right does indeed hold significant power for an extremist group, especially in comparison to the extreme left.

Ukraine. Worshipping that unredacted genocidal fascist Bandera as if he's a hero. And most ironically supported by Poland. Well, not quite most ironic, almost as ironic as Poland whining about 1939 when they blatantly stabbed the Lithuanians in the back and stole their land when they were fighting the soviets, and also helped partition rump Czechoslovakia early in 1939. And, as always, the EIC/ Vic's Raj killed more people in India alone through capitalism than the history of communism- primarily so that they could pimp drugs to the Chinese as well. Agree Ukraine would be a better example than Greece. Hence my surprise with KP example. Well we prefer to have a weak Ukraine behind border than Russia. Poland had a long standing conflict with Czechoslovakia for Zaolzie. Both this and Germany rumb had a blessing from other western countries so we are all guilty of this. As for Lithuania I don't know what you refer to, you need to be more specific. As for the capitalism, first and foremost it's not a political system, it's a form of economy. Henceforth the politics of a country cannot be blamed on capitalism. Unless you want to count conquistadors killing Aztecs for gold or the homo sapiens killing cro magnon man to get his stick as the victims of capitalism then I don't see how your examples would qualify. Well you can't blame a philosophical idea for anything. Capitalism did not kill, the actors of capitalist systems did. Of course, much like socialism, there is a wide spectrum of thought within the proponents of the respective system on how said system should be archived. And both led to crimes against humanity; be it the suppression of people for the sake of profit like the East Indian Trade Company did, or the oppression of people for the sake of political power like under Stalin. The dismal record of both systems should not blind us to the promises they make; yet we also have to acknowledge the difference between their promises. The promise of capitalism is that of growth and economic wealth, the promise of socialism is a more humanitarian one.But while keeping in mind their promises, we should not give in to the easy way out of saying the economic system had nothing to do with the political atrocities carried out. Politics do not correlate with economics, they are largely caused by it. A centrally planned socialist economy like in the USSR will in turn cause strong authoritarian states; and globally connected giant cooperations will lean towards exploitation especially of the weak for the sake of their profits. And we will not get anywhere if we don't acknowledge these flaws as inherent at least to the historically used form of the respective modes of production, rather than blaming it solely on the political structure build on them.

Is speech a document, now? Well some things certainly changed since I covered historical sources classification in school. Ben, no one is catering to nazies and your groundless accusations are more and more bizarre and boring. Actori incumbit probatio, not the other way around. Here Ben is trying to convince me that 17 seats of Golden Dawn is more than 144 seats by Syriza and in fact the Golden Dawn is ruling Greece nowadays.Yet I'm accused of "half-truths" Syriza is by no means communist. The actual communist party of Greece, KKE, has less seats than Golden Dawn, the actual Neo Nazi party. That is all I said. And it is quite worrying that Nazis get more seats than communists; since communists who do decide to participate in parliament, or bourgeois democracy if you will, naturally aren't the hard militant type, which isn't (necessarily) the case for Nazis.

Well first and foremost you just twisted his words that you quoted few posts before. He didn't said "Hitler did not know about the Holocaust", he said that "there is no written proof" as in no documents, signed orders or other. That is an historian statement (and factual) and means exactly that - there is no written proof. This is in no way free AH of anything as he was the Fuhrer and was responsible for everything that his government, military and so on did in his name and in the name of Germany. In other words if AH survived he would be convicted in Norymberg trials, no question about this. Written proof or not. He was responsible for WWII and all war atrocities including Holocaust. I didn't form a single insult at you Ben, just to point out how resonable are you in this argument. You throwed an insult at a guy you know nothing about. His mother died in Warsaw Uprising fighting the nazies, calling him an AH apologist is the single most vile thing you can say about him Greece.Greece? The country that is run by the party that's literally called "The Coalition of the Radical Left"?"The question of overall responsibility for the atrocities committed under the Nazi regime traverses the oligarchy of those in command, foremost among them Adolf Hitler. In October 1939, he authorized the first Nazi mass killing for those labeled "undesirables" in the T-4 Euthanasia Program.[7][8] The Nazis termed such people as being "Lives Not Worth Living" or lebensunwertes Leben in German.[9] Before the euthanasia program in Germany-proper was over, the Nazis killed between 65,000–70,000 persons.[10] Historian Henry Friedlander calls this period during which the 70,000 adults were killed, the "first phase" of the T4 Program since the program and its contributors precipitated the Holocaust.[11] Sometime between late June 1940 when planning for Operation Barbarossa first started and March 1941, orders were approved by Hitler for the re-establishment of the Einsatzgruppen (the surviving historical record does not permit firm conclusions to be drawn about the precise date).[12] Hitler encouraged the killings of the Jews of Eastern Europe by the Einsatzgruppen death squads in a speech of July, 1941. [13] Evidence suggests that sometime in the fall of 1941, Himmler and Hitler agreed in principle on the complete mass extermination of the Jews of Europe by gassing, with Hitler explicitly ordering the "annihilation of the Jews" in a speech on December 12, 1941, by which time the Jewish populations in the Baltic states had been effectively eliminated.[14] To make for smoother intra-governmental cooperation in the implementation of this "Final Solution" to the "Jewish Question", the Wannsee conference was held near Berlin on January 20, 1942, with the participation of fifteen senior officials, led by Reinhard Heydrich and Adolf Eichmann; the records of which provide the best evidence of the central planning of the Holocaust. Just five weeks later on February 22, Hitler was recorded saying "We shall regain our health only by eliminating the Jew" to his closest associates.[15]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_Holocaust#CITEREFHillgruber1989 "he said that "there is no written proof" as in no documents, signed orders or other." -you There is no debate about wether Hitler ever ordered the Holocaust. Pretending that he didn't does nothing but cater to Neo Nazis. Anyone who spends even a minimum amount of time with politics should be aware of this. Maybe this guy doesn't Heil Hitler at home. He certainly does make an effort to attract those who do. Even if he may not call himself a Nazi, he goes long ways to get their votes. Tell me, where am I wrong? Because catering to Nazis doesn't make you a lot different from being one. Not catering to nationalists, conservatives or patriots; catering to Nazis. As for Greece, the Golden Dawn, who are quite literally Neo Nazis, holds more seats than the communists. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenic_Parliament So yes, it is fair to say that the far right has more political impact than the far left in Greece.

If I am to give my two cents, do. keep her away from any sort of addictive. Me myself and people I know were especially prone to that given the right circumstances; and not just actual drugs... internet and video games for example all easily become a refuge. Does more harm than good in my experience

Agree. No fascist here.1. Being provocative is not equal to fascist. 2. Is there a written proof? If yes the it's not a factual statement, if no then how is this provocative? 3. He's personal opinions of women are his own. They may be strange or opposite of yours. Doesn't make him a fascist. 4. He oppose welfare, most right wingers do, so? If those statements are fascist than what Merkel and Juncker are saying about POland makes them AH reincarnations. Let me ask you, by your definition is there a possibility to be conservative or right wing without you calling people fascists? Not apoligising for Hitler would be a startThe only country that should appologize for AH is Germany, agree.The existence of written proof is only interesting for historians and people interested in history which JKM is. Regardless of such documents existing AH was responsible whether he was fully aware or not of the scope of atrocious things Germans did in WWII. This guy isn't a historian, he is a politician. If he implies Hitler did not know about the Holocaust, he is defending Hitler and thereby the entire Nazi ideology. And this should be glaringly obvious. If you ask why "right wing" or "nationalist" is so quickly associated with "fascist", look at what you are defending here.I said he's interested in history. I'm defending a person you call fascist for no reason other than your sick and twisted interpretaion of his words. That's a fascist tactic Ben btw, FYI A sick interpretation of his words? Someone says "Hitler did not know about the Holocaust". If this were true, it would free Hitler of at least direct moral responsibility for the Holocaust; in other words tf implies Hitler's lack of guilt. Because the Holocaust is central to the argument of why Hitler should be considered what you might call evil, saying that Hitler was indeed not guilty of the Holocaust is also one of the strongest ways to free Hitler of moral guilt. In other words, the argument he bings forward frees Hitler of moral guilt. Because he says it as a politician, saying this also gains political weight. Calling someone a fascist for freeing Hitler of moral guilt does not perhaps directly make you fascist, I'll give you that. But it certainly does show a strong tendency at least towards sympathy with fascism. How is this sick or twisted? If you can point me to the mistakes I made and support your claim, I will admit that I did make that mistake. But just throwing insults at my face won't convince of your view as valid or of taking your view serious as an opposing stand worth considering and learning from. So do try to stay reasonable, if not for me then for the sake of the European philosophical tradition of reasoned discussion. Lastly, what is a strategy actually often used by fascists is the falsification of history; that just as a side note.

Agree. No fascist here.1. Being provocative is not equal to fascist. 2. Is there a written proof? If yes the it's not a factual statement, if no then how is this provocative? 3. He's personal opinions of women are his own. They may be strange or opposite of yours. Doesn't make him a fascist. 4. He oppose welfare, most right wingers do, so? If those statements are fascist than what Merkel and Juncker are saying about POland makes them AH reincarnations. Let me ask you, by your definition is there a possibility to be conservative or right wing without you calling people fascists? Not apoligising for Hitler would be a startThe only country that should appologize for AH is Germany, agree.The existence of written proof is only interesting for historians and people interested in history which JKM is. Regardless of such documents existing AH was responsible whether he was fully aware or not of the scope of atrocious things Germans did in WWII. This guy isn't a historian, he is a politician. If he implies Hitler did not know about the Holocaust, he is defending Hitler and thereby the entire Nazi ideology. And this should be glaringly obvious. If you ask why "right wing" or "nationalist" is so quickly associated with "fascist", look at what you are defending here. Imagine I would be saying, not implying but directly saying, that there is no proof that Stalin ever knew about the Gulags or the Holodomor.

Agree. No fascist here. 1. Being provocative is not equal to fascist. 2. Is there a written proof? If yes the it's not a factual statement, if no then how is this provocative? 3. He's personal opinions of women are his own. They may be strange or opposite of yours. Doesn't make him a fascist. 4. He oppose welfare, most right wingers do, so? If those statements are fascist than what Merkel and Juncker are saying about POland makes them AH reincarnations. Let me ask you, by your definition is there a possibility to be conservative or right wing without you calling people fascists? Not apoligising for Hitler would be a start

No right extremists in polish politics? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janusz_Korwin-Mikke "Other provocative statements include his claim that there is no written proof that Adolf Hitler was aware of the Holocaust.[23] He also stated that the difference between rape and consensual sex is very subtle. He further claimed that: "there is a hypothesis that the attitudes of men are passed to women by way of the **** which penetrates the tissue... now when contraceptives are much more in use, the women become much more independent".[11] [...] In regard to welfare, he believes that "if someone gives money to an unemployed person, he should have his hand cut off because he is destroying the morale of the people".[11]" No fascists here

Except we use the term motherland and wear christian crosses. So maybe you confused with Germany. And implying fascist to the country that suffered the most from nazi Germany is bizzare at best. Then call it nationalism.

Well it is on the way to Moscow or Berlin.Or from Berlin to Moscow.

He knocked up a lady and tried to force her for abortion. When that didn't worked out he left her.He left his parents when they were in financial problems. He had an affair with a married woman. Not to mention he was a commie Just from the top of my head. I've read about him over a decade ago when I was reading lots on WWII. Oh, you know the same as we did when illegal immigrants and terrorists came to Poland.Or what John III Sobieski did when he arrived in Vienna, we have it covered. Never heard of that abortion thing. And didn't he even live with his parents shortly before the attack? But do educate me. Sources would be nice He did vote communist but he never was a member of the KPD and Never participated in their rallies. He did join the RFB, a somewhat militant sub group of the KPD, but according to himself he never actively participated. Of courses, he told this to the Gestapo; but quite frankly it is going to be very difficult to prove anything else. He never was of significance before the bomb.

Evidently, a lot.

Just because he wanted to kill Hitler? That's a little slippery slope requirement to ne called good guy.No, not only. Seems like an all around good guy. A pretty ordinary one as well, which makes it all the more remarkable. Tell me, Sharp One, when fascism comes to Poland, what will you do? Antifa is not an organisation; anyone who actively fights fascism might be called an anti fascist. Of courses, where we draw that like might be a bit blurry, but in specific cases you can usually do that. And honestly, I do take comfort in the thought that there are people who might stand up against fascism.