[Bitching on this forum]

I new this thread would lead to something...........I....am a troll.

 

Well I am glad we all sorted that out.

[Bitching on this forum]

You got me. I......am a troll.

[Bitching on this forum]

I'm finally beginning to learn how this forum works.

 

If I made the title of this thread " there is not enough bitching on this forum" then everyone would have came on here and argued that there is way too much bitching on this forum.

 

I messed up. People like zenbane and his mates.......that's how they work. By arguing the opposite of what anyone says, without commmen sense or logic coming into it.

[Bitching on this forum]

When I made the title of this thread and named it bitching on this forum i didn't mean that everyone is supposed to come onto this thread and start bitching on it.

[Bitching on this forum]

 

people are never wrong

My opinion is that the world is flat. I'm also pretty sure that the topic is kind of ... Well, off-topic :-P

There you go. Here we go again.

[Bitching on this forum]

Humans. We are a fantastic species but unfortunately we follow human instincts (me included). Sometimes we have to ignore our human instincts and try to deal with people better. Now I am guilty of succoming to the following points I am going to raise, I would like to clarify that, though I am a big enough man to correct myself and try to deal with people in a better way.

 

Those points are:

 

- people are never wrong: if someone states there opinion or there views they are going to stick to it. You can't just bring forth your own opinion and convince that person they are wrong and you are right. It's as if people are just pointlessly arguing here in this fashion. There are ways of convincing people they are wrong but they generally have to realise it for themselves, they can't be told they are wrong.

 

- critiizing people and complaining about them. You are throwing stones. You are doing nothing more then gratifying your ego here.

 

- try to see things from other peoples perspectives.if We at least try to do this then most of these hissy fits could be avoided.

 

Now I'm probably going to be attacked by people for even writing this. I tried to liven this forum up by posting a joke thread a few days ago ( see thread breaking news pillars 2 has been announced)and I got trolled bad but I've had enough of all this crap after reading this thread:

 

https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/83375-a-bit-of-a-disappointment-but-at-the-same-time-a-great-rpg/

 

Read the last page of it.

[A bit of a disappointment but at the same time a great RPG]

 

 

 

archangel979: anti-Pillars posting in Pillars forums since 2013. He has found the meaning to his life, people. Don't spoil it for him

 

That is not true. I did positive posts as well when the game deserved it. But most of the time I do analysis of the game systems as those interest me more than story. It is not my problem that people don't agree with me and see that only as negative.

I am sure devs like to ready more detailed responses more than "I love the game."

From what I remeber from the threads I participated, your posts are mostly about how the game sucks and how DnD and IE games are objectively superior and Pillars should better become one while talking angrily and many times offensively to people who disagree with you or Sensuki (like you're a knight sworn allegience to him). This is not contructive criticism, is childish hate-talk.

 

Untill now, you should have accepted that Pillars is its own thing and will never be an IE exact copy that you desire. If you can't, it's your problem; this game is not for you, leave the forums to people who are interested in it and can make useful debates.

 

If one doesen't like a game, they ignore it and play something they enjoy. You obviously don't like it - on the contrary, despise it. Just move on mate.

After release I didn't do this. Personally I give the game 8.5 score, so it hardly sucks.

I did criticise it a lot during beta but that was based on other people playing it. And that was all mostly theorycrafting. And I was more critical towards it than I was after release or now.

 

What makes me mad is that after 17 years I still didn't get a worthy successor to BG games. I expected too much from PoE and that made me mad at the game. Objectively it is a good game and overall for me best Obsidian game so far (Kotor 2 had better NPCs, SoZ had better map exploration, MotB better story, NWN2 OC better stronghold but none of them as a whole package are better than PoE).

You don't have to explain yourself to them. Mate I have been attacked by quite a lot of people who frequent these forums (actually only two people). They do it because they think " they own " the forum. They want to be " the big men" in the forum. Just say whatever you want.

 

Having said this I do honestly feel sorry for the mods on this forum.

[A bit of a disappointment but at the same time a great RPG]

 

Yeah, we're a bunch of lazy bastards. I'll tell you what, archangel, you're still welcome. This is a great place to discuss games and, if you want to do so, feel free. When we get into calling 'people' ignorant or whatnot, then you're going to end having posts gulaged. I say this to you in this thread so other folks can see it as perhaps clarifying how this forum works. We pride ourselves and letting folks speak their minds and blow off steam. ...And I'd already let at least one report in thread slide before a bunch of people (not just you) had their posts gulaged.What I'm getting at is that it's okay to rebut someone's argument or attack their position. We just don't want folks to be the object of personal ridicule. I'll often edit out these things and leave the rest of the post, but if it gets to be too much of a chore, I'll remove the whole thing. In this case, I'm not the moderator who axed the posts, but I agree with the one who did completely.So, go to the Codex and blow off some steam, but if you want to come back later and duke it out with folks, we're here and we'll welcome you. :Cant's slapping archangel on the back icon:Meanwhile, having hopefully clarified the situation, I'll ask you to take further discussion about moderating to PMs. You can always PM one of the mods to personally argue your case.Once again, I'll keep my opinions about the topic to myself.

Zenbane was trolling and only I was punished for responding to a troll.You are right, I am not going to leave but I am going to ignore trolls from now on.

I thought I was the only one who he argued with but after reading a lot of the threads he his in he seems to be at war with half the users on this forum.

[A bit of a disappointment but at the same time a great RPG]

 

I think what he is getting at is that you don't need to hardly ever use magic as you can get away with just using 2 tanks and firearms in a party of six (even on POTD).But magic can still be used effectively, you just don't need it.

Isn't that a good thing? Why would I want to be locked to only having a certain party composition?

If you position 2 tanks correctly then have the rest of your party using ranged weapons even if they are spell casters you won't need to use your magic. You can win 90% of battles by doing this! maybe cast 1 spell sometimes.

[A bit of a disappointment but at the same time a great RPG]

I've been playing PoE for some time now and I'd like to post my thoughts, so others may offer their opinion.

 

The first thing I noticed, is that "magic" in general is very dispappointing. For someone who played "Dungeon Master" in the 80's and later "Eye of the Beholder" series and other RPG games, the PoE really makes me feel like the makers of the game dislike magic or for some reason decided to "down play" magic in this game a bit too much. That was my greatest disappointment.

 

Next, I realized that no matter how great are my battles, no matter how many hours I spend over and over the same battle to finish it in the coolest way possible, I get no XP at the end of it. Which is rather sad and the game looses something of its essense.

 

Note that I'm playing with the latest patched version and the game has been around for quite a while. You'd expect that most bugs would have been ironed out. Still, the game is rather buggy, it crashed a couple of times, some moster descriptions come up with "??" instead of real numeric values and there are lots of graphics issues (like the robe a character is wearing, stays "floating" when the character is prone, or doesn't stick to his back on large persons, etc).

 

Anyway, ignoring the complete and utter destruction of proper magic in the game and the bugs, the game plays (with a non-magic character of course) like a true RPG game. Great improvement in character interaction, lots of interesting features like the documenting of the journal with the quests and side-quests.

 

I also like a challenge and PoE allows me to play in Hard mode, which is ideal for me. I tried the Path of the Damned, which offered an even greater challenge, but I got quite disappointed with the lack of XP, so it really made no sense to continue in this mode, so I switched to Hard.

 

Anyway, overall I like the game, but if I was aware of the lack of proper magic, then I would never have gotten it. Total deal-breaker.

 

I'd appreciate what others think..

 

Thank you.

I think what he is getting at is that you don't need to hardly ever use magic as you can get away with just using 2 tanks and firearms in a party of six (even on POTD).

 

But magic can still be used effectively, you just don't need it.

[Chris Avellone says Pillars of Eternity was too linear and that he had little impact on the story]

 

You can not only pick your stories, but you can literally just kill virtually anyone in PoE and the Elder Scrolls. In TES, if you kill someone essential to the primary storyline, the game allows it to happen but simply prints an on-screen warning, "you just killed someone essential to advancing the main plot"

 

Also, did you say that Fallout New Vegas is an example of non-linear story? cause...

 

 

 

Repetitive combat + copy-pasted rubble + no significant story = boring waste of time.

 

The exploration in New Vegas feels very repetitive and boring.

 

The game does have a main plot, just that it's a bit slow to get going. The main driving force is finding your dad and fixing the water supply. As for everything being copy and paste, that's just the wonders of the gamebryo engine.

 

 

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-2209561.html

Why are you quoting a comment on Fallout 3? New Vegas is nothing like Fallout 3.

Yeah mate totally agree with you. I wish people thought a little harder.

[DPS Barbarian Build]

Can you give me a good DPS Barbarian build.

 

Weapon choice? should I go Dual Wield? Estoc? Great Sword or Pike?

There isn't one

[Why can we loot the NPCs?]

In Wizardry 8 you could loot some NPC's when they joined your party, others would prevent you from removing any of the items from their inventory. Some NPC's are important to the story, others are not; so the loot option seemed to reflect that.

 

Ah but then back with Dragon Warrior 3 you could recruit NPC's (soldiers), sell their stuff, rinse and repeat until you're tired of making money.

 

Although in PoE you can kill any character so even if an NPC prevented you from taking their stuff while alive... just murder 'em. So, what's the point?

I think the point he made was a very good one and I understood it completely.

[Food is overpowered, nerf food]

Completely agree; and I would also add that a testament to the "maturity" of an RPG resides within its ability to prevent builds revolving around all forms of bonus stacking from breaking/exploiting the games balance. PoE achieves that splendidly, and it does so while providing some of the most unique and complex build options - both individual and group - in an RPG.

Yeah so many people like stacking and wish it was implemented better. I'm also not to sure if pillars achieves that splendidly.

[Amplified wave. Am I missing something here?]

 

My life is quite nice by the way. I really can't complain.

 

 

There's always room to complain, that's what christmas is for!

 

I doubt anyone really questions your life. I mean, you post about great build combo's while others post about... https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/83361-breaking-news-pillars-2-has-been-announced/

 

Anywho,

 

Am I the only who avoided the Cipher class completely? When I bought PoE I read a lot about how Ciphers are very cookie cutter, so I went with a Chanter instead. But now I'm thinking of going Druid over Chanter.

Yeah I agree with you Zendo. It's a shame that others are so irratable and serious. Thanks for drawing the comparison to my post that aims to lighten people up. Greatly appreciated.

[Amplified wave. Am I missing something here?]

Boeroer had a point though...

So some of my options differ from yours to. Geez, what is the meaning of the word forum again?

[Amplified wave. Am I missing something here?]

Ach... never mind me being grumpy - I got a hangover from these damn cubra libres yesterday. Why do old friends have to visit me in the first place? Ouch...

These forums exist for people to share there views and opinions. If they differ to yours and that makes you angry then that's something you have to work on. I admit I can be blunt sometimes, though I honestly don't think that little hissy fit you had has anything to do with me, it is more what's going on in your life.

 

And FYI I'm using these forums again because I'm on a remote island in the gulf of thailand and I'm bored ****less.

[I'm just here to brag.]

 

 

 

I got this last night and I'm really proud of myself.

Thanks to playing on Easy, an absurdly high Resolve to talk my way out of fights, and coming to the final fight with way too many potions and scrolls, I was able to finish while resting only seven times.

 

So it's not just all me tooting my own horn here: anyone else planning on attempting this achievement? I'd be more than happy to share advice.

 

Dude you have waaaaay to much time on your hands and I mean wwaaaaaaaaaay to much. Seriously way way to much. Way to much.

Too

I'm from australia. We have a different interpretation of English here. I'm also using my iPad with its stupid auto- correct.

 

By I appreciate you education in English thanks.

[Amplified wave. Am I missing something here?]

 

 

 

Cipher, before I tossed Wave into the too cheesy to use pile, would make every fight go the exact same way. Auto-pause on combat, Wave a team mate, Mica Roar an enemy, Lead split an enemy, Wave, reload, wave. At this point, the fights almost always either, or down to few enough mobs that the stun lock weapons of the frontline will keep them underwraps. And if not? Well, the Cipher just moves from 100% CC up time to like 75%.

 

 

Wait, you would use a cipher without charm or dominate?

I never needed to use them. Combat even on POTD is unbelievably easy. If you have 2 tanks and four casters armed with arquebus's you generally won't even need to cast any spells.

My typical party consisted of

Fighter

Fighter

Cipher - arquebus

Mage - arquebus

Priest - arquebus

Druid - arquebus

Combat was insanely easy. Casters shouldn't be able to use fire arms or bows like fighters and rangers do (like you can't in baldurs gate). 90% of fights you just position your tanks maybe cast 1 spell (wave) then peg everything off with you firearms, pathetic I reckon. Makes ranged classes like rangers completely pointless when a caster can do the same almost as good.

 

 

The first 4 levels are beautiful in terms of difficulty on POTD. I didnt expect that at only level 7 the game would degrade into a mindless faceroll. If I knew that I would have strongly considered not buying it. But there is still time, maybe everything will be fixed.

When you hit defiance bay the game Definately does as you put it spiral into a mindless faceroll. Not only that but in all the wrong other ways to. There are no unique items worth collecting or buying and most of the abilities selection upon level up are pointless. So not only are you beating the game hands down but you are beating it with boring items and abilities.

[I'm just here to brag.]

 

 

I got this last night and I'm really proud of myself.

Thanks to playing on Easy, an absurdly high Resolve to talk my way out of fights, and coming to the final fight with way too many potions and scrolls, I was able to finish while resting only seven times.

 

So it's not just all me tooting my own horn here: anyone else planning on attempting this achievement? I'd be more than happy to share advice.

Dude you have waaaaay to much time on your hands and I mean wwaaaaaaaaaay to much. Seriously way way to much. Way to much.

[Ranged classes vs casters with ranged weapons]

Wow. I got a headache trying to read all of that.

[Breaking News! Pillars 2 has been announced!]

Is this supposed to be funny?

Would you laughing if you blew your face off and then lost your balls?

[Breaking News! Pillars 2 has been announced!]

Breaking news. This has just been announced by obsidian. Pillars 2 has been confirmed!

 

The plot shall involve the protagonist misfiring a blunderbuss and blowing his face off. In the search for a new face he unfortunately encounters another biawac machine that starts spinning and doesn't steal his soul this time but instead takes his balls.

 

With his face blown off and no balls he comes to the realisation he is totally screwed. Fortunately he finds a dwarf woman hanging from a tree that tells him he must seek out another face and a new set off balls. Not content with his old set of balls the protagonist asks the dwarf woman who has the biggest set of balls in dry wood. She tells him that an cannoneer ogre from the white march called thaosis has the biggest balls she has ever seen.

 

With his compass set the protagonist sets of on an epic journey to recover his manhood.

 

Pillars of eternity 2: The man with no face and no balls.

[Ranged classes vs casters with ranged weapons]

I thought the whole souls thing was pretty interesting myself, particularly how it relates to the gods. I agree that the items are lacking, though I don't think they're as bad as some people seem to think. The addition of drawn art for soulbound items was much appreciated and I wish that had been included for all weapons. Also let's be honest, the majority of magic items in BG2 were also fairly unexciting: if you wanted to wield battle axes then, before ToB, your only options were Stonefire (+3 with +2 fire damage) and Frostreaver (+3 with +1 ice and +1 acid damage). God help you if you liked bastard swords. Yes there were some really awesome ones too, but it's not like they were the norm.

 

I also find Eora a much more interesting setting than the Forgotten Realms, but that probably makes me the outlier here.

 

All that said, if pressed I'd probably still label BG2 as my favourite of the two, but like you it is one of my favourite games of all time (probably my favourite). That said I am aware that there's some nostalgia involved: BG2 was an amazing experience when I first played it, it had nothing really to compare to (other than BG1 where it definitely compared very favourably) and I was still young. Now I'm old and PoE necessarily gets compared to BG2 in my head. I do think that BG2 is the better of the two as a whole, but there are lots of aspects where PoE is better.

I have super high expectations for pillars 2. Super super super high. I will be incredibly let down if it is not better the bg2.

[Ranged classes vs casters with ranged weapons]

Well I think PoE does well in those categories but presumably you don't.

Well pillars doesn't have startling originality because it is a IE knock off, it Definately doesn't have a rich story line the whole soul thing I found ridiculously stupid. Great items to collect? No this is where the game lacks the most, 90% of the items in pillars hardly even do anything eg a helmet that does +1 engaged or a ring that gives +1 perception. The spells? Yeah the spells are good like them in pillars.

 

But as a whole, comparing pillars to bg2? No I don't think pillars is on the same level.

 

But bg2 is the best game I have ever played and pillars is probably the second best game I have ever played.