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49 minutes ago, Shai Hulud said:
Force of Anguish / Efficient Anguish use just the primary attack, but are you saying if you get a double strike from efficient anguish it would then skip to the shield? And @Boeroer keeps up instruments of pain which gives +500% melee reach, so after hitting someone with efficient anguish you can do it again. Eventually they'll fall out of range but I'm not sure how long this takes.
One-handing Stalker's Patience with a ranger I was getting lots of triple+ strikes so if it does skip to the shield bash that seems like a good reason not to use one, but I suspect if you manually time (or script to spam) efficient anguish as long as you have wounds it will keep doing the primary strike.
Doesn't really seem like you need the shield at range but it does count as two-weapon so when you don't trigger mercy strike the recovery would be shorter. But you skip recovery about half the time if you always crit so if the +12 accuracy from one-handing is enough to get you from "usually crit" to "always crit" I would rather one-hand.
After an attack skill like efficient anguish ithe next normal attack should go to your primary weapon first, so you would strike twice with Stalkers Patience. However my point was more you would push them out of range with efficient anguish so even if you skipped recovery you'd lose the benefit from having to chase down the target. If you keep instruments of pain up all the time then I suppose that's less of an issue, but that comes late and will cost a lot of wounds to maintain while also spamming efficient anguish.
Proccing mercy strike on a normal weapon attack with SP will skip recovery to the next attack in the sequence, which if you are using an offhand weapon will mean that weapon. So if you have stalkers patience and tuotilos palm, and proc mercy strike off a normal attack, you will skip recovery and go to the shield bash which is not ideal.
And as you say, reducing recovery with two weapon style is nice but given you can skip recovery entirely with mercy strike it doesn't seem that big of a benefit. Maybe nice to have as a secondary weapon slot against high deflection enemies where you can't rely on mercy strike triggering as often.
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I'm not a fan of bashing shields like Tutilos Palm with Stalkers Patience because after Mercy Strike triggers it will skip recover to the shield bash attack instead of another attack with the spear.
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2 hours ago, thelee said:
his stats are lame and his spiritshift also lame, but he gets very excellent bonus spells (watery double alone is pretty slick) and party-friendly water/ice spells. he's not going to heal as well as a lifegiver, but i think overall he has pretty strong subclasses (both druid and chanter)
What is the appeal of Watery Double? My understanding is unless you have the game modded it's not controllable and bugged to not use any of its abilities, so all I end up with is a clone of Tekehu with fairly average combat stats and equipment. Is there a special way you are using the clone?
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5 hours ago, Shai Hulud said:
Agree in general, though mythical discovery is the only way to give everyone in your party a mythic weapon (or armor), it is eventually worth it IMO, unless you only have like 50ish points.
Oh my god how did I not know about this? I've been wanting to make something like this myself because (also more actions) but didn't really have the knowledge. Thank you!
Fair point about mythical discovery. I usually just find I don't have a pressing need for THAT many mythical weapons by the end game, as I'd normally have a caster or two with a stat stick anyway. For me I prefer the convenience of a faster early game.
The mod is great, I couldn't live without it. If you enjoy running FF Monks you'll love the new Forbidden Curses Less Than X condition. Can set it to use FF every time Curses are less than 1 which is a lot less fiddly then messing around with cooldown times. Only issue is the AI only checks the condition at the time of queuing an action, so if it has queued a normal attack and the curse expires after the action has been queued the AI isn't smart enough to change the action to FF and will just follow through with a normal attack. More of an issue with the AI system in general though rather than the mod.
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The most valuable Berath Blessings to me are the ones that give bonuses that can't be obtained in the game otherwise (Bonus Attributes, Bonus Skills, Can I Pet Him Anyway?, Unique Item Vendor (in terms of getting extra uniques)) or that are a real pain to obtain normally (e.g Infamous Past).
The exceptions to this rule where I tend to skip the blessing are Legendary Crew (not that hard to level up regular sailors to rank 4 and prefer to just keep each sailor on a single role) and Mythical Discovery (I find it too expensive point wise).
A lot of the other blessings like bonus gold, fine equipment, upgraded ship, start at level 4, are mostly for convenience in the early game. I tend to pick these up if I have spare points left or if I just want to blitz through the early game as fast as possible.
On the topic of mods, one mod I recommend if you like AI scripting is the enhanced AI conditions mod, which adds a lot more AI conditions for things that would otherwise be hard to script (e.g. for buffs that don't provide an inspiration).
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Are you people seriously denying Eder a pet?? That Blessing is mandatory!
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I don't have an answer to the hit proc percentage question but stalker's patience is one of my favourite weapons, particular on something like Stalker + Soulblade/Trickster or Forbidden Fist + Soulblade/Trickster. Rogue is nice for persistent distraction to automatically trigger ambushing as well as the intrinsic bonus to stealth. Forbidden Fist is nice to prolong the DOT and also to have a crush back-up which tends to be a weakness for most pierce immune foes. If using with a shield it just needs to be a non-bashing shield otherwise the Mercy Strike proc will skip to the shield bash attack. Although it also makes a strong case for single weapon style for the bonus ACC and crit chance.
It has me wondering whether, if the proc chance is closer to 50%, it works out faster overall in most fights to go with a non-bashing shield and stalker's patience, than to use a bashing shield with two-weapon style. Might be nice to try out a different shield for once on an FF (perhaps Outworn Buckler for the additional 5% hostile effect reduction, or Xoti's Lantern for the Mortification and Wounds on kill...).
Getting a bit off topic though!
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If you use Eviee as a pet (which is good for FF anyway) you can skip Wild Orlan and go Hearth Orlan for a bit more hit-to-crit chance or human for extra accuracy on bloodied.
Another good weapon on a shadowdancer is Stalker's Patience. Persistent distraction automatically triggers the flanking condition for Ambushing which gives another +10% damage increasing with stealth. Mercy strike also has nice synergy with SF/HBD chains. It's not as game-breaking (in the literal sense) as Mohorā Taga but is less likely to crash your game
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I am not sure if the Wounding enchantment is a separate roll - I don't think it is but the DoT should still get extended by FF. Come to think of it, does anyone know if the Wounding DoT benefits from Sneak Attack / Death Blows? If so it might double benefit from those (as it is based on base attack damage so gets the benefit of SA/DB there, and then the DoT gets a further SA/DB boost?).
I really like spears on shadowdancers. With the modal + Tutilo's Palm + Persistent Distraction you get three engagement slots which is great with Rymgard's Repulsive Visage and Parting Sorrow. The Spear Modal malus is pretty negligible if you only activate it when surrounded, and if you are lazy you can just take Fast Runner and Long Stride to offset the movement penalty.
EDIT: It didn't occur to me earlier but I also really like the role-playing aspect of a Forbidden Fist monk addicted to Mohorā wraps using Mohorā Tanga as a weapon...
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Decided to return to the game after a long absence and do another full playthrough. Struggling to decide between playing a Forbidden Fist / Soul Blade, Forbidden Fist / Trickster, or Trickster / Soul Blade. Playing PoTD all upscaled with Community Patch. Playing with official companions (swapping between them all).
A few things considerations / things I am looking for:
- Melee DPS focussed with good defences.
- On the Cipher MCs, casting will be limited to utility spells (Whispers of Treason, Phantom Foes, Secret Horrors, Psychovampiric Shield, Borrowed Instinct) and Disintegration as the only Shred spell.
- Prefer weapon + shield (Tutilo's Palm) over WotEP. Weapons will most likely be some combination of Sun and Moon, Stalker's Patience, and Seeker's Fang (on the Cipher MCs). Visually I prefer the spear and rapier over Sun and Moon, but this is not a deal breaker.
- Prefer classes not well covered by official companions (e.g. Monk, Cipher).
- Prefer "fast" characters (e.g. whether that be through fast attack speed, good mobility, or both).
Things I like / dislike about each combination:
Forbidden Fist / Soul Blade
- Infinite resources (other than mortification).
- Cipher spells provide a bit more variety / utility.
- Monks and Ciphers both not well represented among companions in my opinion - provides more class coverage / variety across the team.
- Lacks the DPS of the Trickster MCs - Sneak Attack + Deathblows is hard to give up.
- Lacks the mobility of the Trickster MCs (Flagellant's Path not as fun / useful as Escape IMO).
Forbidden Fist / Trickster
- Love the mobility of Escape and Fast Runner + Long Stride.
- I love the synergy of Stalker's Patience with this combo (Combine DoT effects, Persistent Distraction auto triggers flanking for the spear, 3 engagement slots with spear modal and Fast Runner + Long Stride counteract the modal penalty, extra engagement slots combine well with Repulsive Visage and Parting Sorrow).
- Lacks the accuracy bonuses of the Cipher MCs (more reliant on Dance of Death which is less reliable if front lining)
- Finite resources on the Trickster side - while in theory it sounds like fun to zip around the battlefield applying DoTs everywhere, it is extremely resource intensive and most Guile will probably go towards Mirror Image and Escape.
- Rogue already covered by a lot of companions (assume Eder as Swashbuckler and Maia as Scout).
- Mirror Image causes FPS stutter which is annoying (I have modded the game to remove the images but still get a small amount of stutter whenever Mirror Image is cast).
Trickster / Soul Blade
- Probably the strongest combo from a DPS and defence perspective.
- Lacks an attack speed boost, although may be able to make up for this by trading RES for DEX compared with the FF MCs.
- Lacks the synergies with Forbidden Fist / Monk INT bonuses. Doesn't feel as synergistic in general compared with the other MCs.
- Weaker Tutilo's palm (from a defensive standpoint) - may be better to dual wield weapons on this combo?
Anything I might be overlooking here? Appreciate any insights / opinions that might help me break this deadlock!
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Attributes for Forbidden Fist / Cipher are tricky because just about every stat is important. I usually go with the following with the Berath's Blessing bonus (using Savanah Folk Human from the Ixmatil Plains (Philosopher background) because it works perfectly for a monk from an RP perspective and the +1 resolve lets you get to 20 base RES which is the most important stat for a FF monk):
MIG: 10 + 2BB = 12
CON: 8 + 2BB = 10
DEX: 12 + 2BB = 14
PER: 16 + 2BB = 18
INT: 12 + 2BB = 14
RES: 20 + 2BB = 22
Is you use custom companions then you can drop perception a few points if you have another character with high perception. If you run with the custom companions I like to have at least 18 PER to detect some of the high level traps in the DLCs.
RES is the most important stat as a FF so I always get it as high as possible. Also higher RES means faster wound generation with FF, which means getting the INT bonus faster with Duality (hence why you can exchange INT for RES).
I don't find might that noticeable unless you really stack it, and having it low helps mitigate FF self damage. Low-ish DEX can be compensated with Swift Strikes and I usually wear either Cabalist Gambeson (with -10% hostile effect duration) or Devil of Caroc breastplate + eat Mohora Wraps so my recovery is pretty low anyway. If you use Rannig's Wrath rapier until you get Seeker's Fang then that also gives +10% action speed. Low-ish INT can be offset with Turning Wheel or Enlightened Agony if you prefer Iron Wheel for a more tanky character. Strand of Favour also works perfectly with the build and gives another +1 INT.
Even though I use community patch I still prefer Beguiler over Ascendant for the Cipher sub-class. Beguiler still gets focus and +20% whip from attacks against sneak attack vulnerable targets and Forbidden Fist applies enfeebles which activates sneak attack, so it is effectively always active. I don't really spam cipher spells with this set-up anyway so the Ascendant seems mostly wasted (plus low INT until I get duality means low ascended duration). The synergies between some of the deception spells (charms, dominates, secret horrors) and the FF enfeebled is also really nice.
An alternative build is to just run a no-subclass or Nalpasca Monk instead of FF and drop RES to 8+2 with BB and pump up Might and Int. Works just as well but your disintegrates will be a little shorter but tick for more damage with the higher might. Sometimes that might be better if your disintegrates usually kill the target before expiring anyway.
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I have been having the exact same issue. Played over 200 hours before this started occurring so no idea what has caused it to start. Have basically shelved the game until I can find a solution.
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Not really sure how to best describe this bug.
Occasionally when I cancel a spell cast by a party member, the cancelled spell "jumps" to a nearby party member who will attempt to cast the spell instead. If that party member is in the middle of an action when the spell "jumps" to them, they will cancel their current action endlessly and effectively become soft-locked. See screenshot where my MC single class monk is attempting to cast Ninagauth's Shadowflame (which he of course doesn't have) after I cancelled this spell on Aloth. My MC's current action, stunning surge, is cancelled endlessly and the character is completely locked.
Some observations:
- the endless cancelling occurs even when the game is paused.
- the particle effect for stunning surge repeatedly builds up causing the game to slow to a crawl. This occurs even while the game is paused.
- the affected character is completely locked. He cannot cancel his current action, move, or do anything, effectively requiring a reload.
- The lock persists even after combat ends.
- While I have observed this bug occurring in multiple fights, in my experience, it tends to happen more frequently during the Lord Admiral Imp fight. I have no idea if this is just a coincidence or if there is something special about that fight which triggers this bug more regularly.
EDIT - screenshot now attached.
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If you want a game that encourages multiple playthroughs, rewards creativity, and where there is no one clear "optimum" set-up, then Deadfire does that really well.
Your post was a good one, I simply wish to comment on this point.
I would argue that any game where everything always happens the same way does not encourage multiple playthroughs, or even a second one, but that's obviously just my view.
Just a little bit of randomness in encounters, quests, quest availability, shop inventories, shopkeeper appearances (in the sense of who's where and when on the maps, not in the sense of what they look like) etc. would add an awful lot of spice and replayability to a CRPG. And yes, I understand the extra work this would entail.
I often think how lovely it would be if a huge new CRPG title (such as Deadfire was when it came out) contained this type of stuff to a significant extent. You couldn't go to a forum and ask for the location of the best <your favorite thing here> because your game would be slightly different from mine. And yes, I agree it'd be a nightmare for the players who want to check out everything in advance.
That's a very interesting point. While there is certainly enough build variety in Deadfire to keep my re-playing it, I have to confess that the actual story progression tends to be nearly identical for me each time (particularly for the first 10-13 levels where I almost follow a prescribed path). While that's partly my fault, sometimes I wonder if it would be better if the game forced me out of my comfort zone every now and then (or perhaps that's what Eothas' Challenge is for
).I should say though that I'm not a big fan of randomized loot. In a game like Deadfire where I might be building around a specific item, I don't want that entire play through to hinge on whether a key item shows up.
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Frankly it just sounds like Deadfire is not the right game for OP. The game has taken a very specific approach to its loot system, and (in my opinion) it does it very well in the context of what it is trying to achieve. It sounds like there are just unavoidable differences in how Deadfire has been (deliberately) designed and what OP wants. That's not the game's fault and nor is it OPs - just means the game is not a good fit.
A few points:
- Deadfire has not been designed around a linear loot progression system. Loot that you acquire in the "end game" is not necessarily better than loot that you acquire early.
- For the most part, all loot in the game has been designed so that, with the right set-up, it will can be effective.
- This is not to say that loot is useless. In many cases loot can be build-defining (as evidenced through the many builds posted on these forums that are built around very specific items). It is just a matter of finding the right combinations and experimenting with new set-ups, which the game strongly encourages.
- There is a strong argument that this increases the game's longevity. There is a reason people still theory-craft new builds on these forums almost a year after the game was released, compared with other RPGs that are not as well balanced where people have figured out the most optimum builds within the first month, removing a large reason to keep re-playing the game.
- The developers have tried to avoid designing items that just give flat bonuses to stats. You won't find many items that just give +5 to stats like you might in some other RPGs. A lot of unique are situationally beneficially, designed to be built around, or require some cost/benefit analysis to get the most use out of. There is, however, enough variety in the loot that you should be able to find an item that works well regardless of your build.
I guess in summary if you want a game where you get a +1 sword in Act 1, a +2 sword in Act 2, and so on, then Deadfire is not for you.
If you want a game that encourages multiple playthroughs, rewards creativity, and where there is no one clear "optimum" set-up, then Deadfire does that really well.
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Interesting! I never knew about lash damage being multiplicative - always thought all positive bonuses were additive. And yes my mistake in not factoring in crippling strike on the shadow dancer as a spammable full attack.
@Boeroer: I have always wanted to take a single-class monk on a full playthrough but every time it just feels like their flagship abilities and passives come so late. Admittedly I've only ever made it to around level 12 or so on my single class Helwalker, but the lack of full attacks was really noticeable and it felt like I was just auto-attacking most of the time to save wounds. Even with stunning surge, at mid-levels the crit rate didn't feel reliable enough and 2 mortification for no bonus accuracy or damage felt a bit steep. I suppose shadowdancer has more active abilities to play with in the early/mid game.
Haven't considered the soul blade multis in much detail, although I feel as though I'd be gimping myself going as DW instead of using WotEP (and while Sun and Moon definitely makes up for that somewhat, I feel like I've had my fair share with that weapon on the Holy Slayer!).
A few questions:
- Are the bonus attacks from stunning surge and heartbeat drumming full attacks or just an extra attack with the weapon that triggers the crit?
- Can a Helwalker SC monk generate wounds fast enough with just Enduring Dance to use Whispers of the Wind regularly?
- Also on Enduring Dance, how much of a pain in the ass is it for a melee monk to maintain? Is it enough to reliable keep the monk's accuracy high until PL8?
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I have been experimenting with different builds to try and find the ideal dual wield DPS striker that can still offer some defensive capability. My current playthrough as a Holyslayer (Bleak Walker / Streetfighter) which on paper is fantastic, but from a flavour perspective RPing as a Bleakwalker has been surprisingly annoying and unenjoyable.
I have been trying to think of an alternative that fits the following criteria:
- Focus on dual wielding (mainly for flavour);
- Primarily DPS;
- Ability to off-tank / take some heat (not interested in more "glass cannon" combinations like Beserker / Helwalker or Helwalker / Streetfighter);
- Decent at all stages in the game (I'd prefer not to have level 19 build defining abilities which is why SC monk hasn't appealed to me).
I have been thinking a Shadowdancer (Tricker / Helwalker) should fit the bill but on paper it doesn't seem to compare all that well to the Holyslayer.
Let's take damage bonuses. The Holyslayer gets:
- 32% from Flames of Devotion with Bleak Walker bonus;
- 30-50% from Sneak Attack with Streetfighter bonus;
- 25% from Retribution at full stack;
- 20% from Sworn Rival; and
- 50% from Deathblows.
For a total of +177% under ideal conditions (which isn't too difficult to satisfy). Importantly, other than Retribution most of these bonuses are available right from the get-go (assuming Persistent Distraction + Bleak Walker FOD triggers the Sneak Attack + Death Blows conditions).
The Shadowdancer gets:
- 30% from Helwalker might bonus at full stack;
- 15% from Thunderous Blows;
- 20% from Turning Wheel at full stack;
- 20% from Trickster Sneak Attack;
- 50% from Deathblows.
For a total of +135% under ideal conditions. I could take it up to +150% with Lightning Strikes but realistically I would probably want Swift Flurry instead. A lot of these bonuses will have a "ramp up" time, however, because they are dependent on wounds. Of course, there is also the bonus attacks provided by Swift Flurry and later Heartbeat Drumming, which are a little difficult to quantify. However I am not particularly swayed by these as I feel the Shadowdancer does not have a way to consistently boost accuracy and therefore reliably crit compared with the Holy Slayer (Enduring Dance being the main booster, which is +12 under ideal scenarios but is not consistent when off-tanking).
The Holy Slayer, however, knocks accuracy out of the park. Flames of Devotion (+10) plus Ring of Focused Flame (+10) plus Helm of the White Void (+10) plus Zealous Aura (+5) plus Persistent Distraction (effective +10) + whatever bonus Sworn Rival gives (assuming these all stack) is a whopping +45 effective accuracy or more each FoD. It also gets +35 accuracy with Confounding Blind which applies a further stacking deflection penalty. This should be enough to reliably crit on FoD attacks, which are fairly spammable. I'm not sure if there is anything else which can compare with this?
Defensively as well I give the edge to the Holyslayer. The inherent bonus to all defensives from the Paladin, Lay on Hands and resistances to afflictions I think beat out what the Shadowdancer can offer, and the Holyslayer is also less susceptible to Arcane Dampener. On top of that, the Holyslayer offers some slight party benefits through Shared Flames + Aura + Lay on Hands if need be, whereas the Shadowdancer practically adds nothing from a support perspective.
So is there something I am missing here, or does the Holyslayer just trounce the Shadowdancer in all departments? Am I deeply undervaluing the benefits of Swift Flurry + Heartbeat Drumming, even without a way to reliable score crits? Or is there another class combination that I am overlooking?
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Not to hijack the thread but I have also been looking for a DW build utilising either swords (modwyr and watchers blade for the double lashes) or sabre + stilleto (scordeos + rusts mainly for the aesthetic). Similar requirements to OP in that I want to be mainly dps oriented but not a complete glass cannon. Bonus points if it includes paladin, monk, barbarian or cipher as I find the story companions don't cover those classes well (weaker subclasses).
Currently experimenting with a bleak walker / Street fighter or no class fighter / Street fighter (prefer not to go devoted due to weapon mixing). Interested in views and any other options.
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I am having the same problem described in the OP, which appears to have started since the 4.0.1 patch.
Attempting the load saves or use the 'continue' function from the main menu causes a never ending black screen. The loading splash page never appears. Music still plays and I can still move the cursor. The problem seems to affect certain save files but not others.
I have tried both deleting my "CurrentGame" Folder and deleting my Pillars of Eternity II system preferences and neither has worked.
Attached my most recent "output_log.txt" in case that assists.
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It looks to be centered on the target. Either way it is very nice when it procs.
I've only used the Ranger, no experience with the Chanter or the Cipher proc.
If you are taking the Ranger along with you and you can't use the bow with your main, I can't see a reason not to have Sagani use it.
That makes the choice really easy then
Ranger it is! I was tossing up between having Grieving Mother or Sagani use the bow (which would also determine who would stay in my party). Returning storm centered on target combined with twinned arrows and driving flight to increase proc chance just seems way too powerful to pass up though. -
Just a quick question about the Soulbound hunting bow stormcaller before I lock it to a companion. For the ranger bonus with 10% chance to proc returning storm, is the returning storm template centered on the ranger or on the target hit? I'm worried that if it's the former, because the ranger has such long attack range, the proc won't be particularly useful as she won't be in range for returning storm to hit anything. As a related question, do multiple returning storms stack?
I guess a similar question would apply with regard to the cipher bonus for soul shock. I'm assuming the proc there is centered on the target hit given that triggering soul shock around the caster when using a hunting bow would be incredibly useless?
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Build Principles for Soul Blades
in Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire Characters Builds, Strategies & the Unity Engine (Spoiler Warning!)
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Trickster/Soul Blade is pretty good. Mirrored Image and Borrowed Instinct stack for deflection, and you still get tons of damage bonuses from soul whip, sneak attack, and death blows. Obviously won't have the same DPS as streetfighter but the trade-off for better survivability is worth it IMO.