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    Whos better dps Mork or Barb?

    in Pillars of Eternity: Characters Builds, Strategies & the Unity Engine (Spoiler Warning!)

    Posted · Edited by nemesis205bw

     

     

    Yes it appears it only really applies to wizard and not cipher

    No, you are still wrong. 1 knockout on wizard vs 5 knockouts on monk is 66% remaining health vs 16% remaining health...

     

     

    Were talking total health remaining here not percentage of health remaining, and I said 1.5 which sort of meant he'd have to take 150% of his endurance in damage.

     

    Dont fuk with me please. Its your post:

    A monk could get knocked out 5 times in a row and still have nearly as much health as a wizard that got knocked out once.  Not that my monk gets knocked out every fight, because that would be sort of a nuisance.  Usually its my caster health pools that decide my rest usage.

    Whos better dps Mork or Barb?

    in Pillars of Eternity: Characters Builds, Strategies & the Unity Engine (Spoiler Warning!)

    Posted · Edited by nemesis205bw

     

     

     

    Any weapon with elemental enchant does the job better...

     

     

    Even if this were true, it fails to factor in that Torment's Reach spam = ridiculous amounts of damage. Any monk can easily do this.

     

    So +50% dmg per hit is ridiculous amount of damage?

     

     

    +50% dmg per hit is on par with a crit, so yes, it is ridiculous amounts of damage when you have a class "critting" every half a second.

     

    Lol rogue has as much with normal attacks and doesnt require to get hit... Actually its more because rogue bonus apply before armor and monks after.

     

    Barb has +50% dps just from bloodlust and blooded. When you add frenzy it becomes 1.25*1.2*1.33*1.18=135% bonus dps. When you add +20% from unbugged OSA it is now 182% bonus. If you add +25% weapon enchant then barb will have 253% bonus dps!!! There are also enchants with 20% bonus attack speed so it gives us total 324% bonus dps!!! How can you compare your 50% (which is exaggeration because you cant spam it whole fight on every aa) to barbs 324%? And dont forget that barb has also abilities which boost that damage even more like barbarian blow.

     

    And yes, barb will crit much more often because of how easy it is to apply weakened stance which translates to +20 acc for barb and another +10 from sickened (threatening presence) which gives barb 25 accuracy advantage over monk.

    Whos better dps Mork or Barb?

    in Pillars of Eternity: Characters Builds, Strategies & the Unity Engine (Spoiler Warning!)

    Posted · Edited by nemesis205bw

    A monk could get knocked out 5 times in a row and still have more health than a cipher or wizard that got knocked out once. 

    How is that? Cipher has 4 health per endurance and monk 6. If cipher get knocked out once he still has 75% health. If monk get knocked out 5 times hes left with just 16% health. Your logic and overall arguments are just... no comment.

    Whos better dps Mork or Barb?

    in Pillars of Eternity: Characters Builds, Strategies & the Unity Engine (Spoiler Warning!)

    Posted · Edited by nemesis205bw

    Torment's reach +50% crush damage is multiplicative ( calculated of total damage) and can hit multiple targets.. But is not strictly tied to using fists.. You can use it with weapons too and sabres and 2h weapons will do more damage per swing than fists (more torment's reach damage per activation)

    Thats even worse lol. You have no idea what you are talking about. Its much better to get flat dmg increase before armor (like barb), then after.

    Whos better dps Mork or Barb?

    in Pillars of Eternity: Characters Builds, Strategies & the Unity Engine (Spoiler Warning!)

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     Plus this ignores the fact that fists, while universally being bashed on these forums, are the highest base dps weapon in the game on monk, and are only lacking in special properties. However, for a large part of the game you won't have a better weapon tbh.

     

     

    Sadly they are not . 10-15 base damage on monk. Transcendent suffering adds flat damage after additive multipliers are applied  (it does not add to base damage before that step as I would've hoped) .. 

     

    Fist monk is just like shapeshift druid. Viable only in the early beginning of the game. Later on any enchanted weapon outshrine fists by miles.

     

    that is not quite true either .. They do scale (gain +accuracy and flat additive damage)  and have fastest attack speed.. I think only multiple enchantment endgame unique weapons have a serious edge over monk fists ..

     

    Any weapon with elemental enchant does the job better...

    Whos better dps Mork or Barb?

    in Pillars of Eternity: Characters Builds, Strategies & the Unity Engine (Spoiler Warning!)

    Posted · Edited by nemesis205bw

     

     Plus this ignores the fact that fists, while universally being bashed on these forums, are the highest base dps weapon in the game on monk, and are only lacking in special properties. However, for a large part of the game you won't have a better weapon tbh.

     

     

    Sadly they are not . 10-15 base damage on monk. Transcendent suffering adds flat damage after additive multipliers are applied  (it does not add to base damage before that step as I would've hoped) .. 

     

    Fist monk is just like shapeshift druid. Viable only in the early beginning of the game. Later on any enchanted weapon outshrine fists by miles.

    Whos better dps Mork or Barb?

    in Pillars of Eternity: Characters Builds, Strategies & the Unity Engine (Spoiler Warning!)

    Posted · Edited by nemesis205bw

     

     

    Without bugs -> Overall still barb, but monk has a small edge single target I think

    And where that edge comes from?

     

    Well, barb has only frenzy (+33 atk speed for quite short duration), blooded (situational, +20% dmg) and one stands alone(presumably +20% damage once it is fixed, right now it is in the "don't take if you don't want to break the game category",  and also a bit situational) for single target.

     

    Monk has swift strikes (+25% atk speed, likely larger uptime than frenzy) and torments reach (+50% damage, needs wound) or alternatively turning wheel (+5% dmg per wound passively, can easily be 20-40% in each fight).

     

    Monks bonuses look a bit weaker but they are less situational. Plus this ignores the fact that fists, while universally being bashed on these forums, are the highest base dps weapon in the game on monk, and are only lacking in special properties. However, for a large part of the game you won't have a better weapon tbh.

     

    So all in all, I think monk has a small edge. With carnage barb still does more total damage though.

     

    Dont count torments reach at the same time as turning wheel... Monk is no less situational because most of his dps requires him to get hit.

     

    You can have 2 frenzy uses per encounter which is much stronger then monk buffs and you can start fight with it unlike monk. You also forgot about bloodlust which is active most of the time on regular encounters. Brute force is huge damage boost too.

     

    Also its funny how you completely ignore 6 might boost from frenzy which is 18% more dmg.

    Whos better dps Mork or Barb?

    in Pillars of Eternity: Characters Builds, Strategies & the Unity Engine (Spoiler Warning!)

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    I'll chime in that monk matches and beats barbarian on single target damage, a reach barbarian beats a monk on aoe though, as well as previously mentioned cheesy retaliation/one stands alone builds.  When considering threatening presence + brute force you should keep in mind the fact that the majority of enemies in this game have higher fortitude scores than they do deflection scores, which pretty much negates 2 talent picks against those enemies, just read through the stat scores in the bestiary if you don't believe me.  You'll benefit from them, but not all the time, monks on the other hand have 5 more accuracy than barbs which works against every enemy in the game.  Threatening presence is extra utility outside of dps though since it is lowering fortitude scores.

     

    Anyways, i can tell that this discussion is just going to boil down to lovers of each class arguing about why their class is the best.  For the record, monk is mine.

    I checked it many times and it seems most troublesome enemies have higher deflection.

    Whos better dps Mork or Barb?

    in Pillars of Eternity: Characters Builds, Strategies & the Unity Engine (Spoiler Warning!)

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    So now AOE melee is exploit?

     

    There is no way you can spam torments reach every half second unless you are getting your ass kicked hard (which shouldnt happen because you are dps not tank).

     

    Barb can easily get 30 bonus accuracy with brute force + weakened and sickened status. Just threatening presence and priest in team. Also frenzy is MUCH better then swift strikes. And when you add blooded and bloodlust its additional 50% dps increase (1.25*1.2).

     

    I dare say Monk is the champion amongst all the classes for killing singular targets the fastest.

    You are kidding right? Cipher has the highest single target (as well as aoe) dps in the game. Rogue and chanter (with 2 ogres out and spamming dragon thrashed) easily outdamage monk as well. 

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