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Hey Asmodean-,
Using NoFog in the console is a cheat command and not really a bug with the game itself. If you already used NoFog and you load into an area that has the issue in your screenshot, just use the command again and it will clear the fog around your characters.
Thanks!
Hey Aarik D,
Thanks for replying.
So, if I've got this straight here: this is not classified as a bug(?). Even though, for all intensive purposes the command which you supplied to your players, is literally useless other than for taking screenshots?. Quite a few people asked prior to the game releasing "are we able to disable to fog, to play the game without it", and the response was "yes, we have a (cheat) console command for removing the fog".
You guys kind of omitted the fact that the NoFog command simply doesn't work. Fobbing it off to "well....it's a cheat, so it's not really a bug" is bs, and you know it. It not only re-enables the FoW everytime you enter or exit anywhere that requires a loading screen (which is basically everywhere). It also switches to a bugged version (as shown above) to where the party fog is re-enabled.
To make this even remotely usable, you have to literally re-enter the command everytime you walk into, and out of a building. Which is ridiculous. Do want to estimate how many buildings you'd enter/exit during a playthrough of PoE?.
Simply put - if you didn't want people to be able to disable the fog, you should have stated so prior to release (when asked), and also not provided the command at all. Instead of providing them with a practically useless, broken command. Which only teases them.
You'd think I was requesting something completely ridiculous. I'm only asking that you fix the command, so that it saves it in the registry along with the settings. So when you've got it enabled. It stays so.
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Some people were looking forward to playing the game as an rpg, and being allowed to enjoy the artwork done for the areas, etc. I have zero interest in cheating. I simply would like to see the game I'm playing. Or at least have the option to, given I actually wouldn't have bought the game, if you had stated you in fact cannot really remove the fog (because I, personally really dislike persistent FoWs that follow you around, even after uncovering the areas). It's not about the money, it's about the disappointment.
Edit: Gotta say, I'm disappointed. Well firstly that it took 10+ months for a reply, and secondly that you're trying to fob off a genuine issue, because it's a minority. I've been a fan of you guys since KOTOR II..
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So, I said I'd check back in on the game, and reinstalled it again today. Almost a year later, and this issue still persists..
I'm sorry if this comes off rude. But how difficult can it be to resolve a single command. Of which, hasn't been working since early beta, before the game was even initially released.
The NoFog bug has been reported many times since then (I've checked). And still nothing has been done about it.
You clearly created the command for showing off screenshots, and footage of the game pre-release. @Josh Sawyer even responded to my preorder question, personally in a livestream. About being able to use the console to disable the fog, for people who like to just play it as an rpg.
But, you didn't bother to actually make it usable, because you didn't need it yourselves for the "pretty demo screenshots".
Blatant disregard for player preferences. Not to mention lying during preorders. (Yes, at this stage it's a flat-out lie). it was one thing just after the game released, but a year later... Simply disappointed at this stage, Obsidian.
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Well, that more or less answers that then. Unity must have a cross compiler.
In that case I'd recommend sticking to the officially supported backend. In this case being d3d9.
I was merely curious.
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Besides the game using a different API? ;p well, yeah, your GPU usage will be different depending on the card you have. I'd also imagine, at a guess, that the DX11 renderer would be buggier(speculation) because of it not being supported offically.
The point of this thread was to maybe get a response from the Obsidian guys, as to why it runs seemly fine with d3d11, but it's not mentioned, nor supported offically.
#Edit: here's a list of Unity's command line arguements: http://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/CommandLineArguments.html.
I've also tested the -screen-quality one, but unfortunately, it seems to do nothing. At least on Windows.
A better explaination of the screen quality preset here: http://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Engine:Unity. At the end of the page.
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On steam versions: right click the game in Steam, and click properties. Then set launch options, and add -force-d3d11.
If it's a retail, or GoG version: right click the desktop shortcut for PoE, and click properties. Then in the 'Target' field after the game directory(after the quotes "") hit space, and add -force-d3d11, then hit apply.
Seeing as this is not 'offically supported', use at your own risk, and all that jazz.
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I've been experimenting with a few different command line arguements, and I was wondering: The game apparently supports DirectX 11, seeing as it can be ran via D3D11 with the -force-d3d11 command line arg, I've also confirmed it with API checks and the PoE output log.
My question is: If the game supports running via D3D11, why wasn't it 'officially supported', and such?. Obviously either the engine is cross compiling, or the game has a DirectX11 code path, as it runs with DXGI in D3D11, so I failed to see why it's locked "officially" at D3D9.
Two screens below, of both d3d9, and 11. If you open them both and view properly, you'll notice the directx 11 one is slightly darker - I suspect due to shader discrepancies.
#Edit: Forgot to mention - I'm just curious, is all.
DirectX 9.0c
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I've also proposed this, previously: http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/74489-fog-of-war-options-please/
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What do people have against Wizards? lol. They're pretty gimped as it is, in this. And I don't mean, "huehuehue, but yu can save al ur spells for a baws, then eazy kill pwuueew".
I mean from an enjoyment factor, in comparison to other classes. And especially in comparison to other games' Wizard/ pure caster class.
You obtain all of these cool spells, you hardly ever get to enjoy, because you've to "save them" for "when you'll need them", or basically the rapture. Plus the Idea of the Grimoire from an RP perspective, is really cool, and I like it, but all it effectively does is increase clunkiness. Takes the fun out of acquiring spells, and experimenting, etc.
"Nope, I've only got a few uses, gotta save them, and spam the same niché spells over, and over". I love Wizard/sorcerer classes, in general. And I'm also enjoying this game a lot so far, but I do think that the Wizard class was poorly done (in theory it works fine, but not in practice so much).
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There is a console command for it. It's the only Fog related thing provided, and it doesn't work, as I mention in the OP. I also gave an example in this thread previously.
This apparently, has already been reported during the beta, here. I know that they might consider the NoFog bug, not a priority at all, but considering that's literally the only function of that command, and it doesn't work.. lol.
Even though the command is a bit unsavoury, given that it uncovers the map before exploring it. I'd gladly take that over the blackness We're stuck with currently. Obviously, it would be better if it ignored the map, though.
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Edit: I never though, that being able to see in a game, would be considered such a heinous, cheaty thing. I've no interest in cheats. I'm strictly interested in enjoying the game visually. This fog business lol.
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People like throwing the 'strategic and tactical' card around a lot. But, seeing as I'm scouting/sneaking everywhere anyway - I always detect enemies before they do me, so it makes little difference. Also mentioning - is that not what the original 0.0 black fog is for?. You've already explored the area, so I don't see what the problem is.
I personally play on normal, because I'm mostly interested in the story, and such. But, I don't see why anyone would oppose this change. You might as well say "don't add any difficulty levels other than Path of the Damned". Because adding options for it, would lower my own enjoyment, even though they have no effect on me.
Plus, I'm asking for the options for asthetic purposes, to enjoy the game's visuals unhindered - not for strategic advantage. Or to cheese the game, or anything.
I'm trying to convey this in every post lol. I'm only asking for cosmetic options. they can still hide enemies outside the range, or whatnot, if they like. =)
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Well, at least somebody agrees. The artists went and did a great job on the beautiful areas, and then they got covered in blackness. It's like going into an art gallery, and seeing a painting you really like, and asking to buy it. Then the guy says "one moment, and I'll throw a tin of black paint over it, before we sell it to you" ;p
I'm not requesting that this change be forced on anyone, I'm simply requesting some options for it. For the people, like myself, that can't fully enjoy the game with this.
I'd like to stress, that I'm not trying to cheat, or exploit the game. I believe it ruins the fun. I simple don't like the very oppressive, persistant FoW, that relentlessly surrounds your party the entire time.
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I've been doing the same thing. Sneaking + fast mode almost all the time, while out and about, because of hidden items etc. It's a bit ridiculous. Imo, it should be perception that counts towards finding things like that, and sneaking should exclusively be for ..well, sneaking.
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If blurry text is considered low priority, in a game that primarily conveys it's story with text. I don't even want to know what else is considered low prio tbh..
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Anybody know what was patched in just a minute ago? Just got a 570MB download on Steam
yar, same.
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I agree, personally. I mentioned maybe adding some FoW options, or at least fixing the NoFog command in this thread, but nobody else seemed to agree, unfortuntely.
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Yeah, firearms in this game are awesome! If Tolkien lived longer we could see some in Middleearth.
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Fairly standard Wizard. Trying to go for a hint of Sparrowhawk, from Tales from Earthsea. But just a little ;p
Wizard explorer, being led by an unknown force / intrigue. I guess.
You're fairly limited in the way of visually customizing your character's features, etc, but I did try to make him look as much like the portrait as I could =)
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Very impressive list of fixes, given the time frame. Glad to hear of the range being increased for Wizards as well. It was quite annoying having them running practically into melee range to cast a lot of their spells.
I'm sad that there is no scaling/zooming fixes, or the NoFog console command which doesn't work correctly, though =(
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I agree tbh. I've taken to not reading the novelised expressions for voiced paragraphs. Instead try let the voicing convay this information, in itself. (I obviously read it for the non-voiced stuff, though).
I find it a bit jarring, when a lot of the time - a full paragraph of dialog will be voiced, then on the same character, the next line is just blank, vocally lol. It's very inconsistant, imo. I appreciate that the voicing is limited with funds, etc. but tbf voicing 15 lines, then 2 lines no voice, then back to a voice the next line is jarring, whatever way you look at it.
Maybe they should have tried to stick exclusively with voicing the 'main' story stuff. Or as others have mentioned, just voiced an intro greeting, or something, then read the rest.
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I think you missed my point. Nowhere have I said, that I want to be able to uncover a map, before it has been explored. Nor have I said that I wanted to be able to preemptively see encounters, or cheat, or whatever.
If what you want is to see the "nice scenery" what you could ask for is an ability to turn off the grayed-out FOW but not disable the mechanic. This would allow you to see everything in its prettiest form but still keep the "you can't see changes/mobs" aspect. Of course the negative would be you lose the ability to know where you have been but since it is an option "buyer beware".
I did suggested that, as one of the options. I listed multiple, in case they couldn't implement one. Simply a normal FoW, that is removed as you oncover the map. Not simply a lesser one that persists even after you've oncovered the entire thing.
....A few suggestions;
- Option to enable the FoW for undiscovered areas only - once they've been explored, the fog is removed. (same with the map)
My suggestions are purely cosmetic, before the other min-maxer, stats/functionality crowds come looking for my head.
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You're arguement makes little sense. "You're suggested option makes the game easier". All of the game's options will make the game subjectively easier. The pausing options make the game easier for the people who want various auto-pause triggers. The "Game" option almost all affect difficulty, in some way.
My reasoning for wanting some Fog of War options has nothing to do with difficulty. I simply want to be able to see the bloody game ;p without most of my screenspace consumed by blackness, to admire the nice scenery, etc (albeit, blurry scenery, because of the interpolation zoomng problems, unfortunately).
I can appreciate the FoW for dungeons, but towns, and cities? it looks ridiculous, to me, during the middle of day.
I'm requesting valid options, not compulsory core changes. So I don't see what your objection is about..
You're simply being bias, because you like the FoW.
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I didn't mean the complete black (0.0) fog, but the just about black (0.1) fog that persists after exploration. Not to mention, the map is almost eligible, because of it, also.
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Hey Obsidian,
Is there any chance of you adding some options for the Fog of War, please?. I mean, there's a whole page of options(21 options for it, in fact) for pausing the game ... and 0 for the FoW.
Firstly, when preordering, I was under the notion that I'd be able to at least disable the Fog, by means of the console, but that's not a viable option - because it doesn't work correctly, and only glitches out the fog every time you enter/exit a building, or area, or anything, really.
I'm personally not a big fan of FoW in general, but the FoW in this game has gone a bit overboard, imo. It persists in-game, and on the map even after you've explored the whole area, etc.
A few suggestions;
- Option to enable the FoW for undiscovered areas only - once they've been explored, the fog is removed. (same with the map)
- Option to adjust the start radius of the fog - so it's not starting 4 metres around your party.
- Option to enable the fog for dungeons only, or at least disable it for towns/cities.
- Option toggle to enable, or disable the fog.
Or, failing that - can you at least resolve the console command, so that it's actually useful, please.
Thank you.
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Give manual scaling slider for menus, maybe? I dunno. What I do know is what others have expressed. In a game so heavilty text based. This blurry, interpolated text is not easy on the eyes... at all.
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[Windows 7 x64] Fog of War Problems
in Pillars of Eternity: Technical Support (Spoiler Warning!)
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Well, at least you were straight up with me this time. I appreciated it.
I'd imagine the problem lies somewhere in how your maps are cached/loaded?. Just a final suggestion on the matter. You may want to look into a conditional check to see if the console command is triggered, and if so refresh the NoFog command on reload. We had a 'somewhat' similar problem with the msaa not sticking when the game initially launched.
I also appreciate you taking my feedback into consideration, cheers.