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I pretend elves slow in aging once they come of age, because otherwise things are creepy.

 

There was that creature in one of the 90s star trek spin offs that looked like a little girl and had a relationship with the cook. That was creepy.

 

Oh, Kes and Neelix!  WTF was that about?  I mean seriously, I know it was the other way around actually (Kes' race aged faster than normal instead, she looked 20 or so but was actually 6 years old or something), but did no one in development think how creepy it all was?  Especially since they emphasised Kes' immaturity? 

 

Then again, Neelix was like the most hated and despised character anyway who deserved to die for just being a horrible, horrible character that made Jar Jar seem like a decent character.  Or was that just me who thought that?


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Oh, Kes and Neelix!  WTF was that about?  I mean seriously, I know it was the other way around actually (Kes' race aged faster than normal instead, she looked 20 or so but was actually 6 years old or something), but did no one in development think how creepy it all was?  Especially since they emphasised Kes' immaturity? 

 

Then again, Neelix was like the most hated and despised character anyway who deserved to die for just being a horrible, horrible character that made Jar Jar seem like a decent character.  Or was that just me who thought that?

 

Nope, but the whole series was terrible, so who cares. That was Voyager, wasn't it?



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Oh, Kes and Neelix!  WTF was that about?  I mean seriously, I know it was the other way around actually (Kes' race aged faster than normal instead, she looked 20 or so but was actually 6 years old or something), but did no one in development think how creepy it all was?  Especially since they emphasised Kes' immaturity? 

 

Then again, Neelix was like the most hated and despised character anyway who deserved to die for just being a horrible, horrible character that made Jar Jar seem like a decent character.  Or was that just me who thought that?

 

Nope, but the whole series was terrible, so who cares. That was Voyager, wasn't it?

 

Yep, Voyager.  By then I felt Star Trek had ceased to be relevant anyway, they seemed stuck with outdated notions of sci-fi while actively crushing anything new that tried to come out.  Kinda destroyed everything it had built up and left us with a dearth of space adventure on TV for quite some time, though I could just be being all melodramatic about it. ;)



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On the topic of terrible romances in fiction, I present to you NWN2; where an elf watches you from birth, stalks you throughout your life, is in love with you and you can get together with them. That might be the worst offender I can think of off the top of my head in the "Elves are creepy" genre.

 

 

Oh, Kes and Neelix!  WTF was that about?  I mean seriously, I know it was the other way around actually (Kes' race aged faster than normal instead, she looked 20 or so but was actually 6 years old or something), but did no one in development think how creepy it all was?  Especially since they emphasised Kes' immaturity? 

 

Then again, Neelix was like the most hated and despised character anyway who deserved to die for just being a horrible, horrible character that made Jar Jar seem like a decent character.  Or was that just me who thought that?

 

Nope, but the whole series was terrible, so who cares. That was Voyager, wasn't it?

 

Yep, Voyager.  By then I felt Star Trek had ceased to be relevant anyway, they seemed stuck with outdated notions of sci-fi while actively crushing anything new that tried to come out.  Kinda destroyed everything it had built up and left us with a dearth of space adventure on TV for quite some time, though I could just be being all melodramatic about it. ;)

 

 

Was that before or after Deep Space 9? I maintain that DS9 is the only good Star Trek.


Edited by CottonWolf, 12 September 2017 - 07:08 AM.

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Whoa whoa whoa.. hold up

 

The Ocampan race only lived like 9 years and Kes was an adult of her species and looked it

 

 

And to be more on topic I was one of the people initially suggesting that Ydwin become a full companion when the first sidekick blurbs were released because I liked the general concept, however, I walked it back a bit after her concept art was released


Edited by ShadySands, 12 September 2017 - 07:14 AM.


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I think that's the nub of the issue. Anything that ages at a different rate throws up awkward implications, deserved or not.


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Kind of like how Aloth is elf-early or mid 30's? He's 62 (67 in Deadfire), but has the appearance of being in his early or mid 30's.

 

So in principle Ydwin could be 30 and look like 12, but it would be totally legal to **** her. Isn't that great, manga fans out there?

 

 

Look I am not a huge fan of the super sexualized character in a serious RPG but are we really at a point where a fairly innocuous picture of a woman with glasses is sufficient to accuse people of liking that character of being creepy sex offenders?



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Look I am not a huge fan of the super sexualized character in a serious RPG but are we really at a point where a fairly innocuous picture of a woman with glasses is sufficient to accuse people of liking that character of being creepy sex offenders?

 

Not really. I just enjoy provocating people. My real point is: Wether she is manga or not. She is there to please certain kinds of people. We all know that. You can argue about how old she really is, or if she really is drawn in a mange kind of way, but that are just ways of arguing away the obvious: She really is the cute teenage drow necromancer. She is your average "weird" gothic girl. I'm convinced that she will have some twists and have "more depth" than others of her kind, but she is a varation on a cheap pop culture cliche and nothing will change that.


 



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Ydwin- A strange pale elf cipher from "a lot of different places". Fascinated by animancy, Ydwin spends her free time examining fresh and not-so-fresh corpses. Though she has a charming and pleasant demeanor, new acquaintances are often shocked at her intimate familiarity with death and her dispassionate affect in the face of even the most grisly scenes.

 

Questions for you folks: assuming that Ydwin had a life partner or a close family member, and that the individual met their end, would she attempt to capture its soul? Since she is a cipher, would she be able to connect to the captured soul of her lost companion or family member? Do we know what type of vessel is used for a captured soul so that it can be placed in a body?



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1. Who knows what she'd do? She's a character concept rather than a character at the moment. There's not even any point speculating. Hell, she could go all Shard-bearer/Hiravias and eat their souls for all we know.

2. I don't know that the cipher aspect is relevant, but she's an animancer, so yes.

3. Well, we know adra's involved. Beyond that, neither the Devil of Caroc nor Galvino give many clues. And you never actually get to read the Theories of Pangram.


Edited by CottonWolf, 12 September 2017 - 09:21 AM.


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Maybe that's how we get our intelligent weapon  :shrugz:

 

All we can do is speculate


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My headcanon is now that the talking weapon is Ydwin's mother.


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2. I don't know that the cipher aspect is relevant, but she's an animancer, so yes.

 

I don't think being an animancer would allow her to communicate with the captured soul, that's really the domain of Watchers.



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2. I don't know that the cipher aspect is relevant, but she's an animancer, so yes.

 

I don't think being an animancer would allow her to communicate with the captured soul, that's really the domain of Watchers.

 

 

I meant she'd be able to just put it into vessel that could talk, like Galvino. I doubt she could speak to it directly. But given the mix up over Watcher/cipher powers by the writers in Pillars, I'm still not entirely sure what each is meant to be able to do.



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I meant she'd be able to just put it into vessel that could talk, like Galvino. I doubt she could speak to it directly. 

 

Ah right. Yeah she might be able to, although considering that even Galvino couldn't repeat his feat it's not a given.

 

But given the mix up over Watcher/cipher powers by the writers in Pillars, I'm still not entirely sure what each is meant to be able to do.

 

 

Yeah, there is a little overlap between the two which isn't explained well. I'd tend to assume that Watchers are, in a sense, innate animancers. Where animancers need all sorts of scientific equipment to measure various properties of souls, Watchers can interact directly with souls. But who knows, perhaps a sufficiently brilliant animancer could find a way to communicate directly with a soul.



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Kind of like how Aloth is elf-early or mid 30's? He's 62 (67 in Deadfire), but has the appearance of being in his early or mid 30's.

 

So in principle Ydwin could be 30 and look like 12, but it would be totally legal to **** her. Isn't that great, manga fans out there?

Normally you are fairly reasonable but I have to ask, is something about this subject personal to you?

Her character is not a teenager, not advertised as a teenager, doesn't look like a teenager, and as an elf who looks to be mid 20's at least, is probably in her 50's.  So please, move past that, it simply is not true on any level, and it is sort of disturbing that you think anyone posting on these forums is a fan of child pornography.

Does she look sort of "cute"?  I guess?  That doesn't change the fact that her backstory makes her sound like (to quote Cottonwolf) "a death obsessed animancer".  Nothing about being an Animancer is cute, or did you hate the lady with the undead Cat in Eternity 1 for being a cute girl anime trope?  Because she probably has more in common with Ydwin than any other character in the series to this point.

For the record, the negative feedback based on nothing but her cute girl that looks vaguely anime design has always vastly outweighed anything else about her on the forum.  To the point that the only group frothing at the mouth over Ydwin, is the group that hates her based purely on her appearance.


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I don't think her chances at becoming a full-fledged companion are necessarily great.

While alot of fans say "Yes, because the first game did this" we must keep in mind that this is NOT PoE1 so we should not expect or set up false hope and hype around speculation.

That's always something to keep in mind :)

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What does anyone even know about this Ydwin other than one picture?

Why do you care so much?

Nobody here knows much of anything...

However, just as any other fanbase, toms of fanart, fan-fiction, etc etc has been created. I kinda understand, my latest obsession is Infinite from Sonic Forces. Not much has been revealed about him but he looks awesome. I suppose that's the same feeling people get here with Ydwin.

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What does anyone even know about this Ydwin other than one picture?

 

Why do you care so much?

Tbh we know her backstory which is very interesting but the sad truth is that most people went ape**** about her for fapping reasons :(

Okay let's take a moment to be fair and insert some perspective.

People were excited for a number of reasons.

 

  1. Her design, regardless of however many people will swear up and own it is "anime", is actually very good.
  2. Her background makes her out to be one of those potentially crazy Edwin type characters which was really absent in Eternity 1.  Durance is really just a self absorbed ****, and Hiravias is just a horndog.  Neither are really that slightly crazy, but definitely evil, mix.
  3. She is the only pale elf team member of any variety, and lots of people like pale elves.  No, mercs you hire at the inn don't count.
  4. She is the only person who can be a rogue at level one other than Eder.  Unlike Eder, it actually makes sense for her to have rogue levels.
  5. This is potentially the biggest reason for those of us who care about the lore of the game, she is the only party member option from either game that is actually an Animancer.  A profession you REALLY should have had represented in Eternity 1's party, since most of your team didn't care, or was against it.  In fact, was anyone other than Pallegina pro animancy?
  6. Yes, promancers wanted a female elf option.  Get over it :p

 

So yeah, there are some good reasons people liked her as a character and wanted her to be more than a sidekick.

 

wrong. wrong. wrong.

 

well, not complete wrong.  in truth, am in agreement 'bout a number o' points.  am personal not getting the need for a pale elf, particular in the deadfire setting, but for those wanting the pale elf pov explored a bit, there is merit in a pale elf companion to offer a window into a largely unexplored pillars culture. pale elves ain't really gonna figure prominent in deadfire, so am not seeing a need to force the issue, but am nevertheless seeing why folks want such now rather than waiting for am expansion or sequel.

 

am also much in agreement regarding the value o' an animancer companion.  too little, too late? were something we shoulda' seen in poe.  am actual a bit concerned 'bout obsidian attempts to redeem animancy in deadfire. even so, an animancer companion, avoiding hamfisted lore dumps, would be a welcome addition to deadfire as the mountain o' soulless babies and flesh eating undead demand a response o' some kind. am personal thinking it is too late to install an advocate for animancy, but a fresh voice might, at the least, illuminate and explore lingering questions.

 

unfortunate so much else is just wrong.

 

is no surprise the elf's design appeals to anime folks. good or bad is highly subjective, but am annoyed by some o' the inherent ridiculousness o' the character design... which we went into ad nauseum earlier.  not gonna repeat. regardless, good and bad opinions seem split and is no surprise the anime fans tend to voice "good." 

 

eder, btw, is much more plausible as a rogue. the problem is folks never bought into the poe rogue.  folks don't even recall what were the poe rogue, back when eder were a rogue.

 

"In Pillars of Eternity, the designation of a character as a "rogue" signifies their vicious, brutal style of fighting, not a propensity for theft or deception. More than any other class, rogues exemplify the adage that the best defense is a good offense. If fighters are the disciplined, reliable, well-trained units that hold the line, rogues are the shock troops that attempt to break through that line to take out vulnerable units before they can effectively retaliate. When pinned down, rogues can suffer from their weak defenses, but ideally they carry their momentum from one target to the next in short order."

 

is from "Update #71: The Heavy Hitters: Rogues and Rangers."

 

poe rogues is a combat class.  is "shock troops." is heavy hitters. is embracing a vicious, brutal fighting style. etc. so, eder or ydwin? tell us again how ydwin makes more sense as a heavy hitter shock trooper. 

 

as for edwin nostalgia and belief ydwin will replace him based on micro-blurb character description, am thinking you shouldn't hold your breath.  the deadfire writers, who were poe writers, don't seem to be aiming for cartoony pastiche. not only do we see an intentional avoidance o' simplistic moral pigeonholing o' companions, but am suspecting the last thing the obsidian folks want is for a deadfire companion to be an obvious stand-in for a bg/bg2 joinable npc. so cliché edwin's evil is unlikely and an overt edwin clone is even more unlikely.

 

promancers need an elf female? not even gonna respond to such.

 

regardless, wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

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I must say, am I the only one who didn't walk away from the game thinking it put animancers in a bad light?  Sure, it shows them doing bad stuff but it also was clear that they could do good stuff I thought, and that it was a double-edged sword like any tech.  I actually thought they were pushing the "animancy is good!" a bit too hard at some points, and that you were being corralled into being pro-animancer as the good option!  Was I playing a different game to the rest of you?  Did I mistake a cardboard box for my PC again?


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