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I don't really think most people fall in the middle. If that were true, you'd probably have a lot less homophobia. A large percentage are probably in the 100% straight camp. Which is fine, except for the fact that a large percentage of people are also afraid of anything that is different.


Edited by Hurlshot, 25 April 2017 - 08:37 PM.


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Have to agree with Hurlshot here - the sliding scale/spectrum thing makes sense, but saying that "mostly everyone is somewhere in between" just doesn't seem to really figure for me. I don't think most people have a "small desire" (or greater than that) to "experiment" with those outside of their first preference on the basis of physical attraction...but they may do so anyways due to lack of better options and as a result of a desire for the other elements of a relationship. Additionally, I think this scale extends farther back than just from "no interest" to "absolute interest" - "no interest" people might eventually be pushed into a relationship outside their preference as a result of circumstance, but there are also people who feel more strongly (negatively) about it than just "no interest", and would never consider something outside of their preference no matter what - not now, not in a million years*. I'm not sure where on the scale the majority of people fall, but I think it'd be somewhat hard to believe that the majority of people have at least "some" physical interest in everyone - it certainly doesn't feel that way. Have there been any proper studies on the subject?

 

*My bias may admittedly be showing in my feelings on the matter here, as I personally feel this way about those outside of my "preference".


Edited by Bartimaeus, 25 April 2017 - 09:37 PM.


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https://en.wikipedia...ki/Kinsey_scale

 

"The Kinsey scale ranges from 0, for those who would identify themselves as exclusively heterosexual with no experience with or desire for sexual activity with their same sex, to 6, for those who would identify themselves as exclusively homosexual with no experience with or desire for sexual activity with those of the opposite sex, and 1-5 for those who would identify themselves with varying levels of desire for sexual activity with either sex, including "incidental" or "occasional" desire for sexual activity with the same sex."


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I don't really think most people fall in the middle. If that were true, you'd probably have a lot less homophobia. A large percentage are probably in the 100% straight camp. Which is fine, except for the fact that a large percentage of people are also afraid of anything that is different.


That's what I mean by social factor.... shay you are born 50% hetero and 50% homo, I would guess that'll you are quite unlikely to follow much your homo side due to the way homosexuality is handled by society. Society isn't homophobic because there are homophobes, there are homophobs because society is homophobic.

Mind you, I'm not placing guilt on anyone. It's not your fault that the world is the way it is, it's just your fault it it stays that way.

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ok, do we have oby back or what


Nah, oby has been devoured by bruce, his antithesis

That can't be a reasonable synthesis

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Have to agree with Hurlshot here - the sliding scale/spectrum thing makes sense, but saying that "mostly everyone is somewhere in between" just doesn't seem to really figure for me. I don't think most people have a "small desire" (or greater than that) to "experiment" with those outside of their first preference on the basis of physical attraction...but they may do so anyways due to lack of better options and as a result of a desire for the other elements of a relationship. Additionally, I think this scale extends farther back than just from "no interest" to "absolute interest" - "no interest" people might eventually be pushed into a relationship outside their preference as a result of circumstance, but there are also people who feel more strongly (negatively) about it than just "no interest", and would never consider something outside of their preference no matter what - not now, not in a million years*. I'm not sure where on the scale the majority of people fall, but I think it'd be somewhat hard to believe that the majority of people have at least "some" physical interest in everyone - it certainly doesn't feel that way. Have there been any proper studies on the subject?

 

*My bias may admittedly be showing in my feelings on the matter here, as I personally feel this way about those outside of my "preference".

 

When I said "most people fall in the middle", I didn't mean like 50-50. I just meant that they're not pure 100%ers. Maybe lots of 98-2%ers etc. (obviously I'm just sucking the stats out of my thumb). I don't know if negative scores are necessary though. If you're completely repulsed by the thought of same-gender sex, then I think you're simply 100% straight. Any excessive feelings are probably a result of culture/society.

 

PS Thanks Messier, for digging up the scientific name for this!


Edited by Heijoushin, 25 April 2017 - 10:15 PM.


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What the heck is going on in this thread? Does everyone know a private joke that I don't?


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https://en.wikipedia...ki/Kinsey_scale

 

"The Kinsey scale ranges from 0, for those who would identify themselves as exclusively heterosexual with no experience with or desire for sexual activity with their same sex, to 6, for those who would identify themselves as exclusively homosexual with no experience with or desire for sexual activity with those of the opposite sex, and 1-5 for those who would identify themselves with varying levels of desire for sexual activity with either sex, including "incidental" or "occasional" desire for sexual activity with the same sex."

 

The Kinsey Reports (results and methodology) are likely more interesting than the scale itself, I think, since the scale (and all the others like it, as this wiki article itself mentions) are obviously totally arbitrary and meaningless in of themselves without data and good methodology to back it up. Thanks for the link.

 

@Heijoushin: I understood that, and I still disagree. I don't think "most people" would say or even feel that they're even "slightly" or "2%" (or whatever) interested in people outside of their "first" preference, or that they have multiple, equal preferences. It's not clear how the Kinsey Reports feel about this, because while it says roughly 7-10% of people were 50/50 at some points in their life, I don't know how the Kinsey Report actually "judged" people to be 50/50, and I can't seem to find the percentage of people that fell anywhere from 1-5 (the 'tweeners) or again, how it was determined that they were a 'tweener to begin with. I'm not discounting the Kinsey Reports themselves, but it'd be nice to have additional/clearer information about the data and methodology.


Edited by Bartimaeus, 25 April 2017 - 10:35 PM.


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The Kinsey Reports (results and methodology) are likely more interesting than the scale itself, I think, since the scale (and all the others like it, as this wiki article itself mentions) are obviously totally arbitrary and meaningless in of themselves without data and good methodology to back it up. Thanks for the link.

 

@Heijoushin: I understood that, and I still disagree. I don't think "most people" would say or even feel that they're even "slightly" or "2%" (or whatever) interested in people outside of their "first" preference, or that they have multiple, equal preferences. It's not clear how the Kinsey Reports feel about this, because while it says roughly 7-10% of people were 50/50 at some points in their life, I don't know how the Kinsey Report actually "judged" people to be 50/50, and I can't seem to find the percentage of people that fell anywhere from 1-5 (the 'tweeners) or again, how it was determined that they were a 'tweener to begin with. I'm not discounting the Kinsey Reports themselves, but it'd be nice to have additional/clearer information about the data and methodology.

 

 

Look, I agree, without hard data (and how can you even measure something like this?), its all just armchair philosophy.

 

But let me ask you this (and I apologize for the crudeness of the question but...) have you ever watched/enjoyed shemale porn?


Edited by Heijoushin, 25 April 2017 - 10:57 PM.


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I dunno. I think the cultural/societal aspect to it is pretty large because it's way more accepted/expected for a woman to "kiss a girl and like it" and thus I've know way more women who've "dabbled" and are open about it than men to whom it's less of a... I don't know what.

 

Sorry, I've had way too much to drink to hold any coherent thoughts



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This guy just posts nonsense and then we spend a few pages trying to make sense of it

 

Nothing more to it



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I dunno. I think the cultural/societal aspect to it is pretty large because it's way more accepted/expected for a woman to "kiss a girl and like it" and thus I've know way more women who've "dabbled" and are open about it than men to whom it's less of a... I don't know what.

 

Sorry, I've had way too much to drink to hold any coherent thoughts

Its often a very different reason why you see women kissing other women, the question  " does this mean that woman is lesbian  " isnt the same as 2 guys kissing which in most cases highlights the fact they are gay

 

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I'm not saying they are lesbians just that it's more something because reasons

I think your response demonstrates what I mean though

Edited by ShadySands, 25 April 2017 - 11:29 PM.

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Look, I agree, without hard data (and how can you even measure something like this?), its all just armchair philosophy.

But let me ask you this (and I apologize for the crudeness of the question but...) have you ever watched/enjoyed shemale porn?


No...but I'm not exactly the ideal person to be asking this, given that I'd describe my "preferences" as being anti-men while not feeling too strongly one way or another about women. That means women win by default, of course, but, you know, nevertheless, matters of physical attraction are really just not my forte here - however, the subject is still interesting to me, :).


Edited by Bartimaeus, 26 April 2017 - 12:15 AM.


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The Kinsey Reports (results and methodology) are likely more interesting than the scale itself, I think, since the scale (and all the others like it, as this wiki article itself mentions) are obviously totally arbitrary and meaningless in of themselves without data and good methodology to back it up. Thanks for the link.

 

@Heijoushin: I understood that, and I still disagree. I don't think "most people" would say or even feel that they're even "slightly" or "2%" (or whatever) interested in people outside of their "first" preference, or that they have multiple, equal preferences. It's not clear how the Kinsey Reports feel about this, because while it says roughly 7-10% of people were 50/50 at some points in their life, I don't know how the Kinsey Report actually "judged" people to be 50/50, and I can't seem to find the percentage of people that fell anywhere from 1-5 (the 'tweeners) or again, how it was determined that they were a 'tweener to begin with. I'm not discounting the Kinsey Reports themselves, but it'd be nice to have additional/clearer information about the data and methodology.

 

 

Look, I agree, without hard data (and how can you even measure something like this?), its all just armchair philosophy.

 

But let me ask you this (and I apologize for the crudeness of the question but...) have you ever watched/enjoyed shemale porn?

 

I have watched loads of heteoesxual porn but not shemale porn, I am interested where you going with this point?



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No...but I'm not exactly the ideal person to be asking this, given that I'd describe my "preferences" as being anti-men while not feeling too strongly one way or another about women. That means women win by default, of course, but, you know, nevertheless, matters of physical attraction are not really just not my forte here - however, the subject is still interesting to me, :).

 

 

Ah, I see. I envy you. Physical attraction is more of a burden that anything else.

 

 I have watched loads of heteoesxual porn but not shemale porn, I am interested where you going with this point? 

 

Well, if you find a shemale arousing, then it suggests that you would be willing to sleep with anyone as long as they are attractive enough, regardless of which sexual organ is between their legs :p

Guys who identify as "straight" sometimes watch shemale porn, which kind of supports the Kinsey Scale theory, in that they're a little flexible.


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No...but I'm not exactly the ideal person to be asking this, given that I'd describe my "preferences" as being anti-men while not feeling too strongly one way or another about women. That means women win by default, of course, but, you know, nevertheless, matters of physical attraction are not really just not my forte here - however, the subject is still interesting to me, :).

 

 

Ah, I see. I envy you. Physical attraction is more of a burden that anything else.

 

 I have watched loads of heteoesxual porn but not shemale porn, I am interested where you going with this point? 

 

Well, if you find a shemale arousing, then it suggests that you would be willing to sleep with anyone as long as they are attractive enough, regardless of which sexual organ is between their legs  :p

Guys who identify as "straight" sometimes watch shemale porn, which kind of supports the Kinsey Scale theory, in that they're a little flexible.

 

My best friend believes that anyone can be attracted and have a physical relationship or "one night stand " with a man or a women 

 

So he believes in the principle that people are naturally bisexual as that is his personal experience and what he has done. He is happily married but stands by this 

 

 

I have never been convinced because surely you have to have some deeper physical attraction to the same sex to do this? So I cant say if my friend is right because I have never experienced this in the same way he has 



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Edited by Bartimaeus, 28 April 2017 - 11:22 AM.


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Or we don't try to make sense of it, and we talk about something else, possibly something just tangentially related!


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ok, do we have oby back or what


Baby's first acid trip more likely.


Heh, I don't think I would be able to write even that nonsensical stuff under MR. Hoffman influence




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