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DONATIONS CLOSED - Item is funded! Thank you everyone! What kind of item should it be?

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Poll: Let's create an item for the Black Isle Bastards! What kind of item should it be? (56 member(s) have cast votes)

What kind of unique equipment for the Black Isle Bastards should we fund with the "Create an item" tier?

  1. Melee Weapon (17 votes [30.36%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 30.36%

  2. Ranged Weapon (1 votes [1.79%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.79%

  3. Magical Implement (Rod, Wand, Scepter) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Armor (6 votes [10.71%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 10.71%

  5. Shield (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Ring (4 votes [7.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  7. Belt OR Gloves (1 votes [1.79%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.79%

  8. Amulet (4 votes [7.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  9. Boots (2 votes [3.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.57%

  10. Cloak (2 votes [3.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.57%

  11. Trinket (2 votes [3.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.57%

  12. Hat (10 votes [17.86%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 17.86%

  13. Helmet (1 votes [1.79%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.79%

  14. Grimoire (2 votes [3.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.57%

  15. other (please specify in the comments) (4 votes [7.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

Should the special piece of equipment (completely or partly) be made of obsidian (if applicable)?

  1. yes (43 votes [76.79%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 76.79%

  2. no (13 votes [23.21%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 23.21%

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#41
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I guess that should be an obsidian trinket... Just to fit any character.

What item can unite games of my youth like Fallout 2 ♥; Planescape: Torment ♥; Icewind Dale ♥ and others...?


Edited by Nail, 17 April 2017 - 04:30 AM.


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I understand the wish that our item should stand out but there are a few things to consider, that work - to a certain degree - against that wish.

 

The more specified and sophisticated i.e. complex an idea is the more likely the devs will not do it.

 

As I have said before it may very well be the case that we get to choose from pre-selected sets of items in other categories just as well.

 

The wish to have a unique, outstanding item can mean a lot of more work for the developers. And as such I fear based on that alone many too complex ideas would be rejected. As we have seen in the case of the Macuahuitl.

 

The other thing to consider is that we are of course not the only ones who pledge for the "create an item" tier. I don't know how many other backers of that tier there are, but there are some of them. And I imagine everyone wants to create THAT unique, outstanding item that people will talk about in years to come.

 

Certainly I do want that too for the Black Isle Bastards. But at the same time I'm aware of the limitations. It's an act of balance in that regard.

 

In the end I think we'll manage to get a pretty cool item. But it may not win the award of the most outstanding unique item in all video games of all times.

 

Of course I exaggerated here a bit to make my point.



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Well... sh*t. I wanted to check how's the campaign going and I almost spit my coffe when I saw that it has ended and we're already gathering money for another strech goal.

I didn't have the chance to say it in the previous, now closed topic, co I will say it now.

Fluffle, You have my sincire gratitude for rolling this campaing. I always wanted to be some sort of patron of arts, co-finance a campaign and have a contribution in some fundraising. Thanks to You one of my wishes camed true, and thanks to everybody who pledged the THING will happen! I'm really happy we made it, in huge part due to our magnificent anonymous donator (a Leaden Key member maybe? :D)

Really thank You guys and I know whatever will be decided here and will turn out, will be magnificent :)

Now, when I will play the game and meet the BIB, although there won't be any "Korin" mentioned, I will imagine I am (or I was, depending what Obsidian will manage) one of those guys, on that ship in that world, meeting with the heroes of Dyrwood.

THANK YOU

 


Edited by Korin_Haller, 17 April 2017 - 04:07 AM.

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I understand the wish that our item should stand out but there are a few things to consider, that work - to a certain degree - against that wish.

 

The more specified and sophisticated i.e. complex an idea is the more likely the devs will not do it.

 

As I have said before it may very well be the case that we get to choose from pre-selected sets of items in other categories just as well.

 

The wish to have a unique, outstanding item can mean a lot of more work for the developers. And as such I fear based on that alone many too complex ideas would be rejected. As we have seen in the case of the Macuahuitl.

 

The other thing to consider is that we are of course not the only ones who pledge for the "create an item" tier. I don't know how many other backers of that tier there are, but there are some of them. And I imagine everyone wants to create THAT unique, outstanding item that people will talk about in years to come.

 

Certainly I do want that too for the Black Isle Bastards. But at the same time I'm aware of the limitations. It's an act of balance in that regard.

 

In the end I think we'll manage to get a pretty cool item. But it may not win the award of the most outstanding unique item in all video games of all times.

 

Of course I exaggerated here a bit to make my point.

'Tis all very true, but I do think that the opportunity for a unique, memorable item increases in the "trinket" slot or, indeed, the farther we stat away from "weapon" , "armor" or "shield". Those are the slots that most of the created items will most likely fall into, and thus the slots that created items will be most likely to vanish into.

All I'm saying is that if we want our item to stand out, it's a good idea to both be creative within the boundaries we are given and to try and stay away from the most commonly used slots that will see a glut of items.


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'Tis all very true, but I do think that the opportunity for a unique, memorable item increases in the "trinket" slot or, indeed, the farther we stat away from "weapon" , "armor" or "shield". Those are the slots that most of the created items will most likely fall into, and thus the slots that created items will be most likely to vanish into.

All I'm saying is that if we want our item to stand out, it's a good idea to both be creative within the boundaries we are given and to try and stay away from the most commonly used slots that will see a glut of items.

 
I would argue that's exactly what the other backers of the "create an item" tier think too :p
 
But maybe not. Don't get me wrong I don't want to oppose or ruin the fun ;)
 
As for the trinket tier at the moment we would assume that it is less restrictive than the typical equipment categories.
 
Because how could the developers let us choose a trinket from a pre-selected set of trinkets?
I don't know. But even in the case of trinkets the limitations might be more restrictive than we think they are.

 

Anyway, just to let you know, I would be fine with a trinket too of course.



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'Tis all very true, but I do think that the opportunity for a unique, memorable item increases in the "trinket" slot or, indeed, the farther we stat away from "weapon" , "armor" or "shield". Those are the slots that most of the created items will most likely fall into, and thus the slots that created items will be most likely to vanish into.

All I'm saying is that if we want our item to stand out, it's a good idea to both be creative within the boundaries we are given and to try and stay away from the most commonly used slots that will see a glut of items.

 
I would argue that's exactly what the other backers of the "create an item" tier think too :p
 
But maybe not. Don't get me wrong I don't want to oppose or ruin the fun ;)
 
As for the trinket tier at the moment we would assume that it is less restrictive than the typical equipment categories.
 
Because how could the developers let us choose a trinket from a pre-selected set of trinkets?
I don't know. But even in the case of trinkets the limitations might be more restrictive than we think they are.

 

Anyway, just to let you know, I would be fine with a trinket too of course.

 

It's not just the other "Create and Item" backers we have to think it about, it's Obsidian, too! And Obsidian is most likely to create more weapons, armors, and shields--and perhaps through boots and rings in there--then just about anything else.


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It's not just the other "Create and Item" backers we have to think it about, it's Obsidian, too! And Obsidian is most likely to create more weapons, armors, and shields--and perhaps through boots and rings in there--then just about anything else.

 

Well I would guess that Obsidian is interested in a more or less balanced amount of different types of items.

 

So just as a thought:

Imagine all the backers of the "create an item" tier would want to create weapons.

Then I think Obsidian themselves would add less weapons created by themselves but instead other type of equipment.

 

Imagine on the other hand all of the "create an item" tier backers would want a trinket, nobody would want to make a weapon.

Then I think Obsidian would make less trinkets on their own, but more weapons instead.

 

So I think Obsidian will have a look at what those backers wish to add to the game. And upon those choices they will then decide what to add by themselves.

 

Because what would be the point in adding even more weapons if almost all backers of that tier wanted to add weapons anyway.

 

So I guess/hope we can trust Obsidian that they'd try to balance that out to a certain degree.


Edited by Fluffle, 17 April 2017 - 05:09 AM.


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I like the idea that the item was a rad looking sail or figurehead the BIB could give you for some reason. Maybe even stuff you could place in your chamber or somewhere else. I would most definetely pimp my own ship with that. :)


Edited by TheisEjsing, 17 April 2017 - 08:23 AM.

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@TheisEjsing: That's a wonderful idea! Right now, it's not an option in the poll (except for "Other"), but if Obsidian approves, then I'll probably changed my vote to a sail, as that would be the most visible. Perhaps with a special BIB flag on it. :)


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I like the idea that the item was a rad looking sail or figurehead the BIB could give you for some reason. Maybe even stuff you could place in your chamber or somewhere else. I would most definetely pimp my own ship with that. :)

 

That would be for the ship right?

 

If we are allowed to customize our ship to that extend it would be as part of our "build a pirate party" tier.

 

This poll assumes ideas for a piece of item for characters to equip. In your inventory.

And this is reflected in the poll options.

 

And once again, if we can customize our ship to the extend of your ideas then we could already do that because of our tier "build a pirate party". That tier includes the ship. So why should we pay additional $750 for something that we already paid for (IF we are allowed to customize our ship to that extend)?

 

I like your ideas, but they belong here. That is where we can discuss ideas about our ship.


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It would be really helpful if OBS would give out some "guidelines" around the item.

Until then it's fishing in muddy waters...
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It would be really helpful if OBS would give out some "guidelines" around the item.

Until then it's fishing in muddy waters...

 

That's were some of the biggest fish are found.


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It's not just the other "Create and Item" backers we have to think it about, it's Obsidian, too! And Obsidian is most likely to create more weapons, armors, and shields--and perhaps through boots and rings in there--then just about anything else.

 

Well I would guess that Obsidian is interested in a more or less balanced amount of different types of items.

 

So just as a thought:

Imagine all the backers of the "create an item" tier would want to create weapons.

Then I think Obsidian themselves would add less weapons created by themselves but instead other type of equipment.

 

Imagine on the other hand all of the "create an item" tier backers would want a trinket, nobody would want to make a weapon.

Then I think Obsidian would make less trinkets on their own, but more weapons instead.

 

So I think Obsidian will have a look at what those backers wish to add to the game. And upon those choices they will then decide what to add by themselves.

 

Because what would be the point in adding even more weapons if almost all backers of that tier wanted to add weapons anyway.

 

So I guess/hope we can trust Obsidian that they'd try to balance that out to a certain degree.

 

In a perfect world, maybe, but that's not how it *ever* works out. There's 30 cloaks in PoE, but I stopped counting when I hit 60 melee weapons in the Pillars of Eternity list. You have so many weapon types, and you need at least a few of each type, etc. Same with armors and shields, and you need lots of rings because you have two ring slots and you want variety.


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In a perfect world, maybe, but that's not how it *ever* works out. There's 30 cloaks in PoE, but I stopped counting when I hit 60 melee weapons in the Pillars of Eternity list. You have so many weapon types, and you need at least a few of each type, etc. Same with armors and shields, and you need lots of rings because you have two ring slots and you want variety.

I wanted to do an extra "item" tier myself, but I couldn't justify the cost based on what I had already backed for.... and getting it done would be "complicated".  If I had though I was hoping for an eyepatch.

So yeah, don't expect everyone backing items to be backing for a weapon.  They won't be.

If this hasn't hit the 750 by say friday I will throw some money at it, should have another check in the bank by then.  Grats to getting the 5k at all, though I have to wonder about the person who put in 1600 :p


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I've said this before but while I really like the obsidian bastard sword conceptually, at this point I'd prefer we make an item that would seem more likely to get used. Maybe that's not a concern many people have but I'm sure we won't be lacking for options when it comes to melee weapons... and I'm willing to go out on a limb and guess that most people will likely use soulbound and/or intelligent weapons so our lower tier weapon would mostly be wasted.


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What if it's a "Cloak" but it's really a Shoulder Parrot. Which provides some sort of BIB themed attributes and maybe some unique gimmick.


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My vote is for an obsidian amulet that carries a curse (because black things must always carry a curse, right?). It would be fun to have the curse tie in somehow to their back-story as a pirate band, and possibly as bastards.

 

Fluffle, you're awesome -- thanks for doing this.



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Ring, Amulet, Boots, Cloaks or Gloves.

Because one of those are most general in a way that any class (race too. Remember, Godlikes can't use helmets/hats) or character type could equip it.

Edit: Maybe even cursed some way, that way it could be a couple power levels stronger at some sort of expense/drawback (granted that cursed items are a thing).

Edited by Osvir, 17 April 2017 - 11:36 PM.

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Please! No ship pimping stuff. That's pointless.



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Okay, I don't have much time right now.

 

But let me tell you...

 

WE ARE FUNDED! Yes our stretchgoal too.

 

That's why I am closing the donations now!

 

I thank everyone of you for your generous donations. And especially our anonymous donator who once again decided to release a batch of $333.

 

Whoever you are, we love you and we want to have your babies :wub:

 

Thank you all very much!

 

So what we did accomplish: We have a forum Black Isle Bastard badge to identify ourselves as Black Isle Bastards on this forum. We will be given a Black Isle for free in Pillars of Eternity 2, although mind you it will be a tiny island. We have managed to fund the Black Isle Bastards pirate group for Pillars of Eternity 2.

And we additionally have funded an item for our pirate group!

 

We have accomplished A LOT! THAT IS AWESOME! You guys rock! And thanks to all of you again!


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