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Politics 2017 part 4


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"Bernie Sanders is a complete moron. He can never get the funding. His plans will never work."

"Let's spend 54 billion on the military to try and fight the abstract concept of a specific ideology we neither like nor understand. But radicals blow up our stuff and that never happens with any other ideology so therefore every penny is justified."

Hmmmm

But the left is hypocritical?

But seriously... I'd be asking myself some serious fundamental questions if my country ha the biggest military in the world but not free education. Just saying

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Wait, first you reference terrorism with 9/11, and now we are dealing with Russia, China, and North Korea?

Did you not notice I'm answering your question in two parts?

 

 

Did you not notice I answered your first question before you even asked it?

 

 

 

 

See this is fear talking. How much power are you willing to give our government to protect us from the next 9/11? How much of your tax dollars should be going to that? How effective is all this really going to be at stopping the next 9/11?

 

So you do nothing and just wait for it to happen again?

 

We've done a ton already.



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What are the problems with readiness right now? Guess that is hard to tell as everyone is trying to stuff their budgets so you're going to get alarmist reports at best and maybe self sabotage at worst. Also need to consider what you are being ready for.

I guess you can always question their claims but for what it's worth: http://dailysignal.c...a-dangerous-low

http://www.foxnews.c...pare-parts.html

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Wait, first you reference terrorism with 9/11, and now we are dealing with Russia, China, and North Korea?

Did you not notice I'm answering your question in two parts?

 
Did you not notice I answered your first question before you even asked it?

You answered it while I was answering your first post, and it has nothing to do with what I said above.
 

See this is fear talking. How much power are you willing to give our government to protect us from the next 9/11? How much of your tax dollars should be going to that? How effective is all this really going to be at stopping the next 9/11?

So you do nothing and just wait for it to happen again?

 
We've done a ton already.

So we just quit now and forget about it?

Edited by Wrath of Dagon, 02 March 2017 - 10:39 AM.


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Did US citizens freedom not already suffer enough from this fight against "Islam"? Did you really learn nothing from your fight against "communism"?
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Ok WoD, let's start from the beginning.

 

First we have the threat of terrorism. Is it your argument that we have not done enough to prevent another attack?

 

We can get to the threat of other world nations next. Let's focus on one aspect at a time.



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Ok WoD, let's start from the beginning.
 
First we have the threat of terrorism. Is it your argument that we have not done enough to prevent another attack?
 
We can get to the threat of other world nations next. Let's focus on one aspect at a time.

No, I'm not saying we haven't done enough, but you can't just say we've done enough and stop. We have to keep taking measures, because they haven't stopped trying to attack us.

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Ok WoD, let's start from the beginning.
 
First we have the threat of terrorism. Is it your argument that we have not done enough to prevent another attack?
 
We can get to the threat of other world nations next. Let's focus on one aspect at a time.

No, I'm not saying we haven't done enough, but you can't just say we've done enough and stop. We have to keep taking measures, because they haven't stopped trying to attack us.

 

 

I don't think anyone is arguing to stop the measures that are already in place right now. The Trump administration is not simply maintaining measures, it is aggressively ramping them up. Where is the justification for that?



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In the 50s a draft-dodging commie like Trump would've already been hanged from the nearest kumquat tree.

Get your act together, 2nd amendment ppl.


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Not everyone appealing to the proletariat is a commie -.-

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Ok WoD, let's start from the beginning.
 
First we have the threat of terrorism. Is it your argument that we have not done enough to prevent another attack?
 
We can get to the threat of other world nations next. Let's focus on one aspect at a time.

No, I'm not saying we haven't done enough, but you can't just say we've done enough and stop. We have to keep taking measures, because they haven't stopped trying to attack us.

 
I don't think anyone is arguing to stop the measures that are already in place right now. The Trump administration is not simply maintaining measures, it is aggressively ramping them up. Where is the justification for that?

You'd have to be more specific about which measures you think they're ramping up for me to answer that. If you're talking about the travel ban, it's only a temporary measure until they can improve scrutiny of visitors, which isn't sufficient as we saw in the San Bernardino attack.

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What are the problems with readiness right now? Guess that is hard to tell as everyone is trying to stuff their budgets so you're going to get alarmist reports at best and maybe self sabotage at worst. Also need to consider what you are being ready for.

I guess you can always question their claims but for what it's worth: http://dailysignal.c...a-dangerous-low

http://www.foxnews.c...pare-parts.html

Isn't that what the Boneyard is for, though? Isn't exactly a guarded garbage heap.

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I think it's equivalent to a junk yard, I don't think they're supposed to actually get parts from there, except as a last resort.

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Sweden Reinstates Conscription, With an Eye on Russia.



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You'd have to be more specific about which measures you think they're ramping up for me to answer that. If you're talking about the travel ban, it's only a temporary measure until they can improve scrutiny of visitors, which isn't sufficient as we saw in the San Bernardino attack.

 

 

The San Bernadino shooting was committed by an American citizen and his wife, what sort of scrutiny do you suggest that will prevent that? http://abcnews.go.co...ory?id=35912170

 

 

This is an example of ramping up: https://www.washingt...m=.7fcfef384afa


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You'd have to be more specific about which measures you think they're ramping up for me to answer that. If you're talking about the travel ban, it's only a temporary measure until they can improve scrutiny of visitors, which isn't sufficient as we saw in the San Bernardino attack.

 
The San Bernadino shooting was committed by an American citizen and his wife, what sort of scrutiny do you suggest that will prevent that? http://abcnews.go.co...ory?id=35912170

The wife was admitted in spite of terrorist links.
 

This is an example of ramping up: https://www.washingt...m=.7fcfef384afa

This is primarily about illegal immigration, not terrorism, no? Btw, do you believe that foreign criminals should not be deported?

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Funny how ~1% of population is muslim yet everyone is wetting their pants in fear. Getting worse than France.



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You'd have to be more specific about which measures you think they're ramping up for me to answer that. If you're talking about the travel ban, it's only a temporary measure until they can improve scrutiny of visitors, which isn't sufficient as we saw in the San Bernardino attack.

 
The San Bernadino shooting was committed by an American citizen and his wife, what sort of scrutiny do you suggest that will prevent that? http://abcnews.go.co...ory?id=35912170

 

The wife was admitted in spite of terrorist links.
 

This is an example of ramping up: https://www.washingt...m=.7fcfef384afa

This is primarily about illegal immigration, not terrorism, no? Btw, do you believe that foreign criminals should not be deported?

 

 

The administration is working very hard to tie the two together. I think foreign criminals deserve the rights of due process, and I tend to side with the police chiefs on this specific scenario.

 

As for the wife, I think you are giving the government a tremendous amount of power over the rights of an American citizen. Does he not have the right to marry who he wants and have her live in his country? How long do you plan on denying her entry based on those links? How many real families are you willing to break up in order to prevent one of these situations from happening again? 



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So, how about that Jeff Sessions, huh?

 

By now, the news that yet another figure in Trump's circle has been in touch with the Russian government isn't all that surprising.  The surprising thing is just how Sessions got himself in trouble.  Here's the exchange from his confirmation hearing:

 

 

 

Q: [A reference of some media reports regarding the Trump campaign's ties to Russia.] [If] there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do?

 

A: Senator Franken, I’m not aware of any of those activities.  I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign, and I did not have communications with the Russians, and I’m unable to comment on it.

 

Set aside the fact that he didn't answer the question asked-- that's perfectly normal.  (And even appropriate-- a law enforcement official-to-be probably shouldn't be making comments on specific cases like that.)  Instead of answering, though, he voluntarily made a declarative statement, under oath, asserting a fact that is very very close to demonstrably untrue.  (Sessons acknowledges that he did talk with the Russian ambassador, but argues that he wasn't lying because he did so in his capacity as a Senator, rather than as somebody involved in the Trump campaign.)   I'm going to repeat that-- he volunteered an answer to a question that he was not asked, and did so arguably untruthfully. 

 

The first rule of any sworn testimony situation is that you do not volunteer information that you were not asked unless you really really want it on the record and are 100% certain that it is 100% true.  Even if all the Russia stuff amounts to nothing, in my book, he should resign immediately because any lawyer dumb enough to make that mistake has no business running the U.S. Department of Justice. 


Edited by Enoch, 02 March 2017 - 08:01 PM.





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