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Politics 2017 part 4


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I'm completely over medical insurance as a thing. It is a failed experiment. 


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I thought this was interesting, especially since I'm into sociology; but you may like it as well. It does an excellent job at outlining why sociology is important (and somewhat interesting).

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I'm completely over medical insurance as a thing. It is a failed experiment. 

 

Medical insurance itself is perfectly fine both theoretically and practically. The US system is... non optimal, I think everyone would agree, but that is due to more reasons than it being primarily based on medical insurance. There are efficient healthcare systems based on medical insurance, albeit most have a compulsory element to them and more regulation than the US likes.



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Mexico will pay for the wall. Germany will pay for defense.

 

errr... France will pay for healthcare.



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Mexico will pay for the wall. Germany will pay for defense.

errr... France will pay for healthcare.


Canada will pay for it.

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Mexico will pay for the wall. Germany will pay for defense.
errr... France will pay for healthcare.


Canada will pay for it.

So that's where we're dumping sick people?

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Mexico will pay for the wall. Germany will pay for defense.
errr... France will pay for healthcare.


Canada will pay for it.

So that's where we're dumping sick people?

 

 

You're dumping them in Germany, too. Pretty sure our medical care system is faster than Canada's and I know there's stats advertising that much. In the last two months alone, I've had ~5 American friends ask me how they could become German/EU citizens.



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From one of my American friends..

 

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And without [Affordable Care Act] I was uninsurable thanks to my breathing issues. When they repeal it, I will again be uninsurable or dumped into the "high risk pool" which provide coverage for everything expect the breathing issues at a higher cost. So the $400 for 30 days med that I take so I can breathe will out of pocket as will all visits to my specialist ($175 to walk in the door), the tests they do check my lung capacity ($350) that they require when I visit said specialist, and anything else they deem as "related" to my pre-existing condition.
This meme is not an exaggeration for me. Taking away my access to healthcare will result in my death.



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^What did they do before 2010?



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From one of my American friends..
 
17155412_1274324822658528_33771024769725
 
 

And without [Affordable Care Act] I was uninsurable thanks to my breathing issues. When they repeal it, I will again be uninsurable or dumped into the "high risk pool" which provide coverage for everything expect the breathing issues at a higher cost. So the $400 for 30 days med that I take so I can breathe will out of pocket as will all visits to my specialist ($175 to walk in the door), the tests they do check my lung capacity ($350) that they require when I visit said specialist, and anything else they deem as "related" to my pre-existing condition.
This meme is not an exaggeration for me. Taking away my access to healthcare will result in my death.


Fact, you are more likely to die waiting in UK for your affordable healthcare than find christian in Luton xD

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^What did they do before 2010?

 

Well, costs have doubled since then, so I'd imagine that is a factor.



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Just to give a real world example from my perspective, I buy the best insurance I have available from my employer. The family plan deducts $693 dollars a month from my paycheck every month, and my school district kicks in an additional $2187 dollars every month to the insurance company. This plan gives us access to a pretty large network of providers.

 

My family of four is pretty dang healthy. We are all active and we stick to a pretty good diet. My wife recently had her gall bladder out, which is a pretty standard procedure. I just received the breakdown in the mail, so lets go over it. The original charge from the hospital was $21,619. Now because the hospital is in our network, they work out a discount with the insurance company that shaves off $14,413. My insurance company paid $6,236 of that, and I am left with a $970 bill.

 

So basically we give the insurance company nearly $3000 every month and we still get hit with a nearly $1000 bill when we have a fairly standard operation done. Imagine how crazy that bill is going to look when someone gets hospitalized for a period of time. And I say WHEN because the vast majority of us are going to end up needing this. Unless you get lucky and keel over without any warning signs, you are going to need some major medical care at some point in your life. 



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Fact, you are more likely to die waiting in UK for your affordable healthcare than find christian in Luton xD

 

[citation needed]



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yeah that's sad, I pay 170 dollars a month and got covered everything :)

but average salary of doctor in US is cca 200000 per year, and 30000 where I live so, go figure

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Fact, you are more likely to die waiting in UK for your affordable healthcare than find christian in Luton xD

 
[citation needed]


it was obviously a joke, sad that I have to explain it

anyway its quite true that healthcare is in crisis in UK due to being understuffed and lacking money

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Well, costs have doubled since then, so I'd imagine that is a factor.


Have they double because of ACA?

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No, they were well on their way with or without ACA. 

 

Also, in addition to all of our costs, estimates are about 25% of our federal taxes are going to healthcare programs. We pay like 5 times more than other countries, and I am pretty sure we aren't getting 5 times better healthcare for that.


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I seriously doubt its a 1:1 ratio, dollars spent vs quality. It boggles my mind when its assumed "it works in a country with 30 million, it should work exactly the same in a country of 300 million." Sure, maybe if we raise our taxes through the roof like they did. Our healthcare cost are out of control but I don't think ACA was the answer to controlling those costs. Its probably only accelerated the race to the bottom by adding 10's of millions of people that will consume far more than they contribute.

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How to Healthcare: Cuba

"Total health expenditure as % of GDP: 7.3

In 1976, Cuba's healthcare program was enshrined in Article 50 of the revised Cuban constitution which states "Everyone has the right to health protection and care. The state guarantees this right by providing free medical and hospital care by means of the installations of the rural medical service network, polyclinics, hospitals, preventative and specialized treatment centers; by providing free dental care; by promoting the health publicity campaigns, health education, regular medical examinations, general vaccinations and other measures to prevent the outbreak of disease. All the population cooperates in these activities and plans through the social and mass organizations."

Cuba's doctor to patient ratio grew significantly in the latter half of the 20th century, from 9.2 doctors per 10,000 inhabitants in 1958, to 58.2 per 10,000 in 1999. In 2005, Cuba had 627 physicians and 94 dentists per 100,000 population. That year the United States had 225 physicians and 54 dentists per 100,000 population; there was no data for Latin America as a region, but the Central American isthmus had 123 physicians and 30 dentists per 100,000.

In the 1960s the government implemented a program of almost universal vaccinations. This helped eradicate many contagious diseases including polio and rubella, though some diseases increased during the period of economic hardship of the 1990s, such as tuberculosis, hepatitis and chicken pox. Other campaigns included a program to reduce the infant mortality rate in 1970 directed at maternal and prenatal care. As of 2012, infant mortality in Cuba had fallen to 4.83 deaths per 1,000 live births compared with 6.0 for the United States and just behind Canada with 4.8.

While preventive medical care, diagnostic tests and medication for hospitalized patients are free, some aspects of healthcare are paid for by the patient. Items which are paid by patients who can afford it are: drugs prescribed on an outpatient basis, hearing, dental, and orthopedic processes, wheelchairs and crutches. When a patient can obtain these items at state stores, prices tend to be low as these items are subsidized by the state. For patients on a low-income, these items are free of charge."



AND MOST EMBARRASSINGLY FOR THE WEST: "Cuba provides more medical personnel to the developing world than all the G8 countries combined"


Now I just took that of Wikipedia. But still... very interesting
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Well, costs have doubled since then, so I'd imagine that is a factor.


Have they double because of ACA?

 

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