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It's just like 2001 again.

 

Sorry, I don't catch the meaning. People thinking the same for Bush? ...Course, others thought the same for Obama, and others still thought and even planned worse than that still for both of them, and I'm sure the same will be true for Trump.


Edited by Bartimaeus, 08 February 2017 - 01:52 PM.


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It's just like 2001 again.

 

Sorry, I don't catch the meaning. People thinking the same for Bush? ...Course, others thought the same for Obama, and others still thought and even planned worse than that still for both of them, and I'm sure the same will be true for Trump.

 

 

Oh, there were quite a lot of hoping for Bush to die to downright assassination-fantasies on other gaming-forums i frequented back in the day. Point being that things haven't changed much.



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I don't know, Trump seems to have incited the disdain of a good deal more of the typically moderate or apolitical crowd than any of our recent Presidents. Sure, the typical liberal is going to froth at the mouth just like they did with Bush, but that is to be expected. Just like the hardcore conservatives are going to blame the media for all of their woes. But the divide seems much sharper right now with very few people landing in the middle.



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I don't know, Trump seems to have incited the disdain of a good deal more of the typically moderate or apolitical crowd than any of our recent Presidents. Sure, the typical liberal is going to froth at the mouth just like they did with Bush, but that is to be expected. Just like the hardcore conservatives are going to blame the media for all of their woes. But the divide seems much sharper right now with very few people landing in the middle.

 

Seems like a general trend though; it's getting more and more difficult to stay moderate in the polarized U.S. political environment. It's not a very healthy environment for democracy.


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http://abcnews.go.co...ory?id=45364173

Orlando does sound like Atlanta.

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http://abcnews.go.co...ory?id=45364173

Orlando does sound like Atlanta.

It's also virtually impossible to fly to Orlando without first changing planes at Hartsfield. 



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He must have been thinking of the great Falcon massacre.
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http://abcnews.go.co...ory?id=45364173

Orlando does sound like Atlanta.

 

Both start and end with vowels and have "lan" in the middle.



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http://www.msn.com/e...ocid=spartanntp

 

multiple sources has confirmed gorsuch comments, but trump loves alternative facts.

 

gorsuch were our personal top pick 'mongst trump's finalists.  is our opinion gorsuch would be, from day 1, the third best writer on the Court.  given time he might even eclipse roberts, though am thinking kagan gots a significant lead.  from our perspective, gorsuch is a bit too polite in dissent, and am suspecting he lacks the humor and wit o' a scalia or kagan.  for those who is unaware, kagan actual used a dr. seuss cite in a dissent from 2015.  regardless, am hopeful trump alternative facts doesn't impact gorsuch confirmation.

 

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Trump said it's because Blumenthal added his own adjectives in addition to quoting Gorsuch.

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https://www.bloomber...rsuch-criticism

 

alternate sources refute trump alternative facts. 

 

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No they don't, read more carefully:

Ron Bonjean, a spokesman aiding Gorsuch in the confirmation process, largely confirmed Blumenthal’s account, saying Gorsuch didn’t use the word “abhorrent” but did say “disheartening” and “demoralizing.”

Don't know why Gorsuch is conspiring with his enemies against the man who nominated him though, talk about an ingrate. If he has something to say, say it to Trump's face.

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What rock did that Spicer guy crawl under from anyway? He's a total numbnuts.



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No they don't, read more carefully:

Ron Bonjean, a spokesman aiding Gorsuch in the confirmation process, largely confirmed Blumenthal’s account, saying Gorsuch didn’t use the word “abhorrent” but did say “disheartening” and “demoralizing.”

Don't know why Gorsuch is conspiring with his enemies against the man who nominated him though, talk about an ingrate. If he has something to say, say it to Trump's face.

 

don't be ridiculous.  so trump is quibbling over "abhorrent" in spite o' fact "disheartening" and "demoralizing" were exact quotes?  after all the times spicer, conway and others has had to spin trump lies, ("what the President meant was...") would be more than a little hypocritical to claim "fake news" 'cause gorsuch added "abhorrent" to genuine "disheartening" and "demoralizing."  wanna again go through the list o' wh offered terror events the media s'posed didn't cover?

 

all this post statement o' trump spin and revisionism is dizzying.

 

"Sen.Richard Blumenthal, who never fought in Vietnam when he said for years he had (major lie),now misrepresents what Judge Gorsuch told him?"

 

more after-the-fact spin to cover trump alternative facts.  and some people, always the same people, is buying such piffle.

 

 

What rock did that Spicer guy crawl under from anyway? He's a total numbnuts.

 

am actual sympathetic to spicer.  his first presser were having to deal with trump's inflated crowd size estimates, and apparently he weren't forceful enough in dealing with the press.  trump wanted spicer to be tougher.  *sigh*  spicer is stuck as the guy explaining all o' the social media and interview blunders trump and his staff is creating, and he needs present an image o' toughness.  makes him seem like a "numbnuts."

serious, we see spicer and we can't help o' think o downed pilot hostage videos.  am not being serious, but is easy to imagine somebody holding a knife to spicer's wife and kids behind the blue curtain.

 

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Edited by Gromnir, 09 February 2017 - 12:11 PM.


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http://www.vanityfai...ry-donald-trump

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Yeah, they covered the Orlando shooting as a "right wing homophobe" attack. Lynch even deleted ISIS from the 911 phone transcript. Talk about a deliberate deception, much worse than Trump shooting his mouth off. Where was media scrutiny back then?

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I dunno, Spicer reminds me of an angrier version of the old Iraqi Information Minister

 

 

 

PS Finally got around to reading Malc's link and it also called him Trump's Baghdad Bob 


Edited by ShadySands, 09 February 2017 - 12:54 PM.

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That's a bit harsh on Muhammed Sahid al Sahaf. He'd have been literally shot if he went off script.

 

What rock did that Spicer guy crawl under from anyway? He's a total numbnuts.

 

Wasn't like those under Bush or Obama were any good either. All press secretaries are awful- it's in the nature of their job to be terrible, they have to lie, obfuscate, embiggen, spin and generally be untrustworthy- and the Bush/ Obama ones at least had the advantage of a more orthodox approach from their boss, and a far less overtly hostile press- even term 2 Bush.

 

Then again, when I see 'alternative facts' I know that it isn't a new phenomenon- Obama's PR blithely defended the murder of civilians with drones, massaged the numbers, 'forgot' to include a significant number of them in stats (only for them to be rediscovered once he left office) etc. Sure, that's different from Spicer overestimating the numbers at Trump's inauguration, Obama's underestimation of the number of civilians he killed was greater than Spicer's overestimation and was referring to people actually dying as opposed to turning up to be bored by politicians talking for hours.



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Yeah, they covered the Orlando shooting as a "right wing homophobe" attack. Lynch even deleted ISIS from the 911 phone transcript. Talk about a deliberate deception, much worse than Trump shooting his mouth off. Where was media scrutiny back then?

who the heck is "they"?  you buying into trump's notions o' a unified media conspiracy.  you serious want us to list all the reports on orlando which identified the murderer as a terrorist with links to radical islam?  oh, and it were the cia chief who told the senate there were no ties found 'tween omar and isis. media started looking into other motives?  

 

*feigned shock*

 

this is past surreal.  

 

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Eventually they did, but at first they were trying to create a different impression. Yes, the mainstream media is a liberal echo chamber, no doubt about it. You can't dispute what Lynch did, and you can't dispute that Obama administration classified the Fort Hood attack as "workplace violence", and the media let them get away with it. And Trump is factually correct that Blumenthal's statement was misleading.




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