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I suppose its my own fault for engaging, fool me 5472943049297 times I guess...
 

...with total compliance from all nations...


...could lower the expected temperature increase by 0.6 to 1.1 C.


The World Meteorological Organization estimated that U.S. withdrawal from the emissions-cutting accord could add 0.3 degrees Celsius to global temperatures by the end of the century in a worst-case scenario.


So since the US is no longer in the accord, add 0.3.

So add that 0.3 to the mythical expected temperature increase of 0.6 to 1.1 and you get the result of a expected temperature increase of 0.9 to 1.4C.

You can just forget I asked you a question. Ill wait ands see if someone else circles back to answer. :thumbsup:

 

where do you see .6 to 1.1 as the expected temp increase under the paris agreement?

 

"In fact, the MIT research to which the president referred showed that the Paris Agreement could lower the expected temperature increase by 0.6 to 1.1 C."
 

 

the overall global increase with Paris goals met is indeed mythical given the info you have available.  you know potential reduction with or w/o US, but you don't know "the expected temperature increase." subtract. is not add. 

 

...

 

*shrug*

 

leave as-is.

 

you are reading a projected decrease of the expected increase as the increase itself.


Edited by Gromnir, 06 June 2017 - 12:55 PM.

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I suppose its my own fault for engaging, fool me 5472943049297 times I guess...

The two figures are measuring different things.

 

0.3 degrees = difference from US pulling out only

0.6-1.1 degree = difference if everyone pulled out/ there was no agreement. This includes the US contribution, it doesn't exclude it. This is where you are making the mistake.

 

Trump is wrong because he has used the first figure and stated it as representing the second data set. If he'd stated that 0.2 degrees was the difference for the US pulling out he'd be correct (enough), but he said it was the figure for if the agreement didn't exist at all, which is incorrect.

 

The new expected difference is 0.4 to 0.8 reduction per (0.6-0.2) to (1.1-0.3).

 

(All simple case, statistically it's a bit more complicated than that)


Edited by Zoraptor, 06 June 2017 - 12:42 PM.

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Apparently the higher number includes all planned remediation strategies, not just the Paris Agreement. Also depends whose numbers you believe: https://judithcurry....mate-proposals/

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https://www.climatei...aris-agreement/

 

perhaps use of actual link helps best.

 

business as usual = 4.2C increase by 2100

Paris Agreement = 3.3C increase by 2100 (mit, for purposes of graph, settled 'pon .9 'stead of range from .6 to 1.1... otherwise would see 3.1 to 3.6C)

 

take US out of agreement and the numbers would skew upwards by .3C, yes? 3.4 to 3.9C.

 

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Are you guys seriously arguing over projected temperature increases?

 

Really?

 

You're that plugged inside the box?


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Are you guys seriously arguing over projected temperature increases?

 

Really?

 

You're that plugged inside the box?

something in the water today? can't get anybody to pay attention.

 

TRUMP offered numbers which he claimed were the impact Paris Agreement would have on projected temp increases. he did so in a televised speech. TRUMP wh claimed the mitigation numbers the President offered came from MIT.  unfortunate for trump, MIT refuted the alternative facts with the actual numbers they had provided.

 

nobody here has actual argued the projected temp increase.  

 

serious folks, wth is going on today?

 

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been too long.  could be daily updates, but have been too numbed by the new normal.

 

in any event, alternative math is getting trump into trouble with the cbo... and yellen offered a mild rebuke as well.

 

http://www.msn.com/e...ocid=spartanntp

 

https://www.bloomber...it-s-achievable

 

btw, trump's off-the-record comments 'bout his wall, which angered him 'cause such comments weren't reported, were likely best left off-the record.

 

https://www.bloomber...and-see-through

 

“It could be a steel wall with openings, but you have to have openings because you have to see what’s on the other side of the wall,” Trump said. “As horrible as it sounds, when they throw the large sacks of drugs over, and if you have people on the other side of the wall, you don’t see them -- they hit you on the head with 60 pounds of stuff? It’s over.”

 

...

 

 

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Edited by Gromnir, 13 July 2017 - 01:45 PM.

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Well...I mean, a hit from 60 pounds of dope can conceivably kill you.

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Alternative Facts: Things that are common sense but nobody either wants to admit or care enough to acknowledge as fact. It's one of those things where you continue to live in denial until something drastic in your life opens your eyes, the edge of death is usually what it takes to see things in that different perspective. Isn't it?

Of course those are not my words but it does make sense.



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Trump is perfect..  after a few years, even Cotton Eye Joe will be begging for another politically correct Washington puppet.


Edited by Junai, 26 July 2017 - 11:51 AM.


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The whole Seth Rich episode was just distasteful.

http://www.npr.org/2...fake-news-story
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Here’s a way to silence Trump on Twitter: Buy the microblogging service.

 

Bwahahaha, this is the problem with living in a world of perpetual pant-crapping, now you have to take everything to 11 just to get a reaction. "Hmpf, Ill buy controlling interest in the company (at everyone elses expense of course) just to kick him off!" *stomps foot*

 

Oh lawdy, what a world!


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Hey Gifted you just TRIGGERED me with that post of yours. I'm gonna find a way to buy Obsidian just so I can ban you and your offensive post. MmmKAYYYYYYY?



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You can take my mod badge, but you can never take my freeeeedoooooom!

Who knew Twitter was worth 12B anyhow!

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I will chip in to let Volo buy Obs. He will probably ban me but I look forward to the Dwarf focused rpg he will develop.

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am not sure if buying twitter to prevent trump from posting alternative facts via that medium is in keeping with the spirit o' the thread, but more than once we has blurred such lines. all good.

 

in any event, phoenix offered far too many alternative facts to post all in one place.  couple links to get started.

 

http://www.npr.org/2...-phoenix-speech

 

http://www.politifac...s-campaign-ral/

 

oh, and an oldie-but-goodie... 'cause we were gone from the boards for a bit.

 

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http://www.msn.com/e...ocid=spartanntp

 

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i doubt Volo would ban anyone, he will rutn this to 4chan



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4chan bans a lot though.



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