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You gotta love the liberal mental meltdowns.

 

 

Do you feel that lashing out with insults helps your argument? It would seem to do the opposite, simply setting up an us versus them mentality. This seems to be par for the course in both liberal and conservative camps right now. Shouldn't the goal be to convince others, instead of just furthering the divide?


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^How do you debate with a disingenuos post such as he replied to? Its a pissing contest, you see.



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If they didn't get rid of filibuster, Gorsuch wouldn't have made it. Now they need to get rid of filibuster all together, or the Dems will kill them.

The thing is in the future, perhaps as soon as 2020, we may have cause to rue their use of the "nuclear option". Folks who enjoy seeing their "team" exercise power and stick to their enemies need to remember one day that power will be in the hands of someone else. The left wingers of this country were loving the way Obama spent eight years usurping power from the Congress, from the States, from thin air. Now all that power and more importantly the precedent to do even more is in the hands of Donald Trump.Politics is cyclical. Right now the Republicans hold all the cards. Withing the next 8 years that might all reverse. In fact it's even likely it will. That is one of the biggest arguments against allowing the government to expand it's power. The Republicans should be cutting down the size and scope so the next Democrat admin and Congress can't do as much damage. Instead they are out Democrating the Democrats. Rush Limbaugh even asked the Vice President yesterday "What is the point of even voting Republican?" He's right.

 

Had I been Trump I'd have sacrificed Goresuch and in his place nominated someone even more unacceptable to the left. Like Janice Rogers Brown as an example. And let them know if they filibuster her the next one will be even worse for them. At some point public pressure will force them to drop the filibuster and the 60 vote cloture rule would still exist. That is thinking strategically. 


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^How do you debate with a disingenuos post such as he replied to? Its a pissing contest, you see.

 

Sure, Pidesco was clearly being glib when he made his original statement. That's why it was probably not worth reacting to. But Sharp_One jumps into attack mode very quickly whenever someone has an alternative opinion on an issue. I know we all have our moments when we go for the petty dig instead of the genuine discourse, but I'd like to think we can strive to be better.


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Seems odd to tout Gorsuch, given the way Congress is set. I guess every review needs that fluff task :lol:

if a single person were to be deserving credit for gorsuch being on the Court, it would be mitch mcconnell.  trump's contribution were picking a name from a list and then failing to build consensus for a relative moderate textualist with no genuine questions 'bout his competence.  failure of trump to build consensus resulted in the nuclear option, which both parties will be regretting at some point in the future.  both democrats and republicans lamented the nuclear option. yeah, the democrats actual went "nuclear" during the obama administration, removing filibuster for all appointees save for the Court, so republicans no doubt saw Gorsuch as a kinda eye-for-an-eye kinda scenario, but why give trump credit for failing in a similar fashion as obama?

 

in the absence o' a republican or libertarian President, we woulda' likely seen a more activist judge on the Court.  we observed more than once during the election year that the only reason we could see voting for trump were to prevent a more activist Court.  

 

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If they didn't get rid of filibuster, Gorsuch wouldn't have made it. Now they need to get rid of filibuster all together, or the Dems will kill them.

The thing is in the future, perhaps as soon as 2020, we may have cause to rue their use of the "nuclear option". Folks who enjoy seeing their "team" exercise power and stick to their enemies need to remember one day that power will be in the hands of someone else. The left wingers of this country were loving the way Obama spent eight years usurping power from the Congress, from the States, from thin air. Now all that power and more importantly the precedent to do even more is in the hands of Donald Trump.Politics is cyclical. Right now the Republicans hold all the cards. Withing the next 8 years that might all reverse. In fact it's even likely it will. That is one of the biggest arguments against allowing the government to expand it's power.

The Democrats don't buy that argument though, so it doesn't help if Republicans do. As far as filibuster, there's no way Democrats would keep the filibuster if it didn't suit them in the future. Harry Reid already showed the way. Republicans holding on to filibuster is just wishful thinking and unilateral disarmament. Besides, as I said before, filibuster made some sense when the two parties got together occasionally for the good of the country, but these days only leads to complete paralysis while the house is on fire.

The Republicans should be cutting down the size and scope so the next Democrat admin and Congress can't do as much damage. Instead they are out Democrating the Democrats. Rush Limbaugh even asked the Vice President yesterday "What is the point of even voting Republican?" He's right.

As I said a little while back, the Republicans are divided thus they were forced to negotiate with the Dems, and negotiating with Dems means Dems get everything they want, as they know any government shut down would be blamed on the Repubes.

Had I been Trump I'd have sacrificed Goresuch and in his place nominated someone even more unacceptable to the left. Like Janice Rogers Brown as an example. And let them know if they filibuster her the next one will be even worse for them. At some point public pressure will force them to drop the filibuster and the 60 vote cloture rule would still exist. That is thinking strategically.

And you'd get nothing. Public pressure doesn't work because most people don't care, and Dems don't give a rat's ass what Republican voters think. Republicans paid no price for opposing Garland, and Dems wouldn't pay a price either, especially if Trump nominated someone they could easily portray as "far right" and extreme.

Edited by Wrath of Dagon, 03 May 2017 - 10:40 AM.





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