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The biggest issue with Leonard being MVp is that SA always does good. It is never because of one player. It is the whole team, the coach, and the entire system so to give him MVP? Nah.

 

Yeah, it's always hard to make a case for a Spurs player because everyone on that team buys into Pop's plan and they all play team-first and don't care about individual glory, which is why they always get a top 3 seed and why Pop is arguably the greatest NBA coach ever.  Still, Kawhi is freakin' amazing, I guess I just want the guy to get some individual attention.  At least we're on the same page about Harden.  What The Beard did this year has been remarkable.



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It really is a rotten stroke of luck for the Grizz to be matched up against the Spurs.Nonetheless I'll be watching tonight



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Curry hasn't been the best or most impressive player in the league, but he's been the most effective and impactful for his team.

 

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Curry's shooting numbers are only merely great this season, but couple that with the gravity he has on the court and that equals a +/- of over 1000 this year -- by far the highest in the league (nearly +200 more than the nearest player, and over +500 more than LeBron, and +600 over Kawhi and Harden.)

 

The MVP should go to the most impactful player on the best team. If not him, then the most impactful player on the next best team. Neither Harden, Westbrook, or LeBron's teams qualify. Curry has been the biggest difference maker on by far the best team, and when he's on the court, he makes the team much better. Period.


Edited by Leferd, 15 April 2017 - 11:10 PM.


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F-----g Spurs.
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http://www.espn.com/...ne-car-accident

 

This is horrible.



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TNT tonight. Grizz vs Spurs game 2. Tonights the wrongs will be made right!


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F-----g Spurs.



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Looks like Fizdale wants to make a significant tax-deductible donation through the NBA Charities program.

 

 

...then again, when your team identity is proudly announced as GRIT 'N GRIND in contrast to the finesse direction of the rest of the league -- playing in the iconoclastic Pat Riley 90's Knicks style is probably gonna have a few whistles called against you.



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Fines are tax deductible? The problem with Grit n Grind is they are not doing it. They were beaten like a drum for the first two quarters, giving us 9-0, 11-0, runs to the f-----g Spurs (that's what I'm calling them from now on). you can't give away 20 points with no answer in an NBA playoff game. Yeah there were fouls that should have been called but the f-----g spurs were shooting at will in the first half and by the time the Grizz got going it was too much of a hill to climb. 



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You know I have to say, the air seems a bit fresher this morning. The sun seems a little brighter, the coffee tastes a little better. You know why? Because last night Mike Conley stood tall, put his team on his back and showed the f-----g Spurs who's boss!

 

On to game 4!



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Aight. I'm on a boat to Waiters Island.

 

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https://www.theplaye...t-nba-is-lucky/

 

Well worth the read.



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Half the defense. Double the offense.


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F-----g Spurs.


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Warriors are slipping. They haven't covered the spread the last two games.

 

The Boston and Washington series is fun. Getting a bit chippy.

 



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I can definitely see Celts/Wiz going 6 or 7, but ultimately Washington will likely run out of gas. They have to play their starters insane minutes to have a chance because their bench is such an immense liability. Eventually their legs will just have nothing left.

In other news, Houston will almost certainly win their series, but Kawhi is freakin' amazing. He's just the best basketball player on earth right now.

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No, he isn't. That is Lebron. PERIOD.



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Why is Kawhi Leonard the best basketball player in the planet?

He is by my estimation:

-Third best SF, behind LeBron and KD, and just ahead of Giannis.

-Second best defender between Draymond and Gobert.

-Shows very little variance in team performance when he is on the court vs off the court.

-The Eyeball test reveals he is a great player, but LeBron, KD, Curry, Russ, and Harden look more impressive.

-Traditional stats are very good but nothing spectacular.

-Advanced Metrics like him but love others more.

...Is he the best two way player? Maybe. But his defensive value is not great enough to offset the better offensive production of the other superstars when you factor everything in the aggregate.

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If he is gonna  be even in Lebron's league, he needs to go to a crappy team (ie. not the Spurs) and make them a bonafide threat. No other single player does that currently. The closest out of Lebron is Harden  though it took a lot extra work, and mistakes to get to this point. With lebron, the forumla is simple. Put Lebron on a team and they ar einsta contender. take him off a team insta pretender. All these other wannabes may have flashy stats but the factsa re the facts - james makes the teamn he plays for better and the team he does't worse. Even Harden didn't do that. OKC was still a contender after he left  outside of the injury filled seasONS.

 

LONG LIVE THE KING LEBRON. KING LEBRON 4 LIFE!



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For life? That's a big commitment

 

Would probably go with MJ if it's for life even though I think it's tough to compare players from different eras






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