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[Class Build] Cipher: A beginner's guide to GUNMAGE

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War bows have no good uniques.

Huntring bows are quite good on the other hand.

The fact that there are very nice unique hunting bows doesn't make the unique war bows bad. :)

Cloudpiercer (rending + jolting touch), Sabra Marie (confusing), Rain of Godagh Field (speed) and Borresaine (draining, stunning) ar all very good in my opinion. Ok - I also always go for Stormcaller of Persistence, but still... ;)

 

Stormcaller is very good for building focus because of the -6 shock DR. I would choose it for my bow cipher - if had no ranger in the party of course.

 

If you have more than one cipher, sure war bow might be an option.



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6DR bypass is good. It's more or less 2 rending mods.
Pierce/electrical damages is nice too.

But is it better than Lenas Er (rending, lash, disorienting) that can also benefit from Durgan refinement ? (Sure, at party level, Durgan refinement has opportunity cost)

Without Durgan steel, Stormcaller is about the same level as Lenas Er IMHO.

While, for ranger, because of returning storm, I think it is actually better.


If you go hunting bow on cipher there is no reason not to use lenas er (which you may get much later than stormcaller) in the second weapon slot. It's great debuffing against bosses (a full - 10 to defenses is huge) but dps wise the stormcaller is more damage against most mob encounters when it matters like wm and cragholdt. It's a question of damage vs utility. Vs bosses I prefer to debuff them to that my rogue can do more damage to them which he is very good at. Yeah and in last party setup I played I had a ranged rogue instead of Ranger as single target specialist. With Ranger in the party I'd probably just go good old guns on a ranged cipher.

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I think party composition also influences that. If I already had a ranger with Stormcaller my bow cipher would use war bows I think. At least that was the case last time I played a cipher. I had two rangers (Stormcaller & Persistence) and a cipher (Borresaine/Cloudpiercer, later Sabra Marie). That way I could also get ok focus from higher DR foes. Rending plus Penetrating Shot (=8 DR bypass) and the higher base damage are good for that.  



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Ranger (w/ stormcaller) and cipher (w/ cloudpiercer) makes things very interesting. Jolting touch can be devastating with 6 DR bypass



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I think party composition also influences that. If I already had a ranger with Stormcaller my bow cipher would use war bows I think. At least that was the case last time I played a cipher. I had two rangers (Stormcaller & Persistence) and a cipher (Borresaine/Cloudpiercer, later Sabra Marie). That way I could also get ok focus from higher DR foes. Rending plus Penetrating Shot (=8 DR bypass) and the higher base damage are good for that.  

Except for people who will never touch a ranger.^^

Oh wait, never is the wrong word, my first PoE character was a ranger. :)



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Is it worth going bows over blunderbuss for 80% of the game though? I thought durgan refined Rain of Godagh Fields was definitely better than Stormcaller on a Cipher...at level 13-14. Theres an Alpine Dragon sitting on Sabra Marie so if you know how to cheese abuse that fight at low level, you could probably get it early but due to the army of adds, lots of people have trouble with this fight at level 12+. Both Rain and Lenas Er can only be acquired in act 3 and the game is literally over by that point. If playing with a 6 man party you will be running around with infinite prone/blind spamming engines of destruction by mid Act 3.

 

Maybe the bow option works best as a high level respec on a completionist run where you have squeezed as much juice from Blunderbuss as humanly possible and the only place left to make dps bigger is high speed bow strats. I think gauntlets of swift aim don't even appear in random loot containers until act 3. I haven't tried getting drunk on potions of deleterious alacrity for the entire game and I'm not sure how feisible that is.



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For people's information I tried messing around with different bows on a Cipher at level 14 around Cragholdt and found that, universally (though anecdotally), a Durgan re-inforced Rain of Godagh field was the best weapon for generating focus (I didn't test stormcaller though).

 

Outlander's Frenzy rocks for Cipher focus generation early on in a fight because you've got high int. With it you can get 1.2 * 1.15 * 1.25 = 1.725 reduction in recovery for like 18 secs. 

 

Once you've got time parasite triggered (which, with any more than three enemies present, will effectively last for the rest of the fight) you can then switch on penetrating shot with a smaller penalty than you otherwise would have had: 1.2 * 1.15 *1.5 = 2.07 (-.2 penetrating shot) = 1.87 recovery penalty.

 

I can see though how before the above strategies become available that Lead Splitter + Vambraces + Penetrating Shot may be much more useful.



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(using potions of daom all the time) It's very feasible from Act III on and you could probably pull it off for a chunk of Act II too.

Edited by AndreaColombo, 10 February 2016 - 08:22 AM.


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Tonight I shall get storm caller plus cloud piercer it must be done!!! Seems good hmmm... btw is fido a good name for my antelope?

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How about "Antilopez"? ;)

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Does fit his name of Carlos spicy pepper and his traveling antelope antelopez, how do you say antelope in spanish?

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Anti-Lopez?



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According to Google Translate, antílope



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Edited by Boeroer, 10 February 2016 - 01:16 PM.

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Picture didn't come through I was told Rangers get a new ability summon droggie :( wtb new expansion!!

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Really solid guide btw!

I guess it does not matter which weapon you use since appropriate talents help guns while others help bows / you don't need certain pricey gun talents if use bows and get other damage and speed talents instead.

The question for 3.0 and I am asking those who played the updated beta: can you consistently at higher levels once you have say amplified wave is available generate 50 to better yet upwards of 60 focus points with a heavy gunpowder weapon shot or 60 focus points per 2-3x bow shots because if you can (with the focus gain buff and certain focus gain items) you've reached the threshold where you can "spam" those high level spells again, well maybe not spam but that ~55-65 focus gain range per say blunderbuss shot is the one to aim for.

And given that lead spitter can hit for around 150+ on higher levels I guess it is feasible with about a.40 damage to focus conversation rate, maybe even the base.35 but you won't hit all the time.

Edited by ottffsse, 12 February 2016 - 08:08 PM.


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I'm only using the Lead Splitter thus far, but typically I open up with Mental Binding and follow it up with a gunshot, this alone generates around 53 Focus for me to play around with. This is enough to make use of Amplified Wave but you really can only afford to use it once per battle, since it does eat up more Focus than the amount you generate.

 

But yeah, I can comfortably use 5th-level powers with minimal issue at the moment, at least with the Blunderbuss and Pistol. I haven't had too much experience with the other ranged weapons so far (I just... like guns), though the War Bow was alright when I was using during Act 1.


Edited by Wolken3156, 12 February 2016 - 10:10 PM.


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"around" 53. Love it! :)

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Well do you still have exceptional lead spitter? Because if it's superiorized and durganized ™ and you have unconquerable talisman on as well as draining whip maybe you can consistently break that level 6 spell 60 point threshold. That would be pretty awesome. I think in addition to the weapon lash kana's or another chanters fire enchantment lash would help too.

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Well do you still have exceptional lead spitter? Because if it's superiorized and durganized ™ and you have unconquerable talisman on as well as draining whip maybe you can consistently break that level 6 spell 60 point threshold. That would be pretty awesome. I think in addition to the weapon lash kana's or another chanters fire enchantment lash would help too.

I could definitely generate more. I don't even have the Unconquerable Talisman and I only have a Damaging 2 enchantment on the Lead Splitter.

 

Probably should mention I'm using a Hearth Orlan so her attacks actually crit very often which does aid a lot with Focus generation. I've actually come to prefer this over the Wood Elf.


Edited by Wolken3156, 13 February 2016 - 12:43 AM.






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