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I was trying to decide if this was more the funny things side, but eh, I'll throw it in here for the military social aspect...

 

 

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Tomorrow the world’s largest Naval ship will officially begin leading the US Navy.

 

Good ole' USS Enterprise (CVN-65) can be seen in the background of a few of the pictures.



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A debate on the F-35. On one side is a former F-16, F/A-18, F-22, and F-35 driver, Marine Corps FAC, and TOPGUN instructor. On the other is an over the hill music producer*. Results are what you might expect:

 

Part 1

 

Part 2

 

*Okay, maybe that's a bit unfair given that he used to work at the Pentagon, but he did suggest things as absurd as to produce the F-16 without a radar and was rather dismissive of the computer revolution in the '80s which produced JTIDS, JSTARS, and modern PGMs,


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Fascinating video on Chinese military uniforms over the decades:

 

 

I'd also like to point out that for some odd reason the original post of this thread keeps getting liked by low-post count users with tags consisting of random letters. NSA marking the topic as a communication of interest? Russian troll bots being sicked on me in some misguided attempt of gathering sensitive military documents? Who knows, but if this keeps up my like count will be in the five figures in no time.


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http://www.bbc.com/n...d-asia-40995829

 

US Navy looking good.



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How do US warships keep hitting massive slow moving oil tankers and the like? Even if your radar was down you can literally just look around (if they don't still post lookouts I will eat my keyboard and post video of it too), and even if... dunno, Russian agents were hacking the freighters and trying to get them to ram the warships the warships are an order of magnitude more manoevrable and far quicker so should easily be able to evade.



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How do US warships keep hitting massive slow moving oil tankers and the like? Even if your radar was down you can literally just look around (if they don't still post lookouts I will eat my keyboard and post video of it too), and even if... dunno, Russian agents were hacking the freighters and trying to get them to ram the warships the warships are an order of magnitude more manoevrable and far quicker so should easily be able to evade.

 

Well, it was the oil tanker (that, thankfully, wasn't actually carrying cargo at the time) that struck it, not the other way around.

 

And yes, I too, am wondering what the heck is going on. This is barely two months after the USS Fitzgerald, and 10 sailors are missing this time.



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In theory it was the freighter that hit the Fitzgerald as well, given the position of the damage to it. Who hit whom is not the sole determinant in blame though, if someone turns across a railway crossing and is hit by a train then the train definitely does the hitting, but it isn't the train's fault unless it could stop in time but chose not to.



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This is the Strait of Malacca we're talking about. The waterway in which the third largest economy in the world has its energy needs shipped through and how its connected to the world's second biggest economy.



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Maybe crew tiredness is to blame as well.

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It's possible crew tiredness is a factor, yeah, given that combat readiness is an issue that lawmakers and others are concerned about. Given that it it's restricted to the region, they're saying it could be a problem with training standards and operational procedures.



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This is the Strait of Malacca we're talking about. The waterway in which the third largest economy in the world has its energy needs shipped through and how its connected to the world's second biggest economy.

 

however, one should note how if the icons on the linked map were drawn to scale, the map would not look near (at all) crowded... which would be equal misleading. after all, those ships don't handle like an audi on the 101. also, based on the map presented, one might also consider the possibility o' there being a navy-wide problem (human error or technical), but 'cause o' the traffic in the straits, the failure has simple not been realized elsewhere 'cause o' lack o' traffic.

 

regardless, the strait, and the waters off the shores o' japan, has not sudden become crowded. the number o' accidents in a relative short span o' time should be a cause for concern. correlation is not causation, but to ignore makes one look kinda obtuse.  

 

is sorta like all the dead bodies o' putin political opponents. our resident reflexive russia defenders happily find explanations other than state-sponsored infamy for putin opponents being poisoned with rare toxins... multiple times. sure, having an outspoken opponent o' putin gunned down within sight o' the kremlin can be explained away if one tries hard enough. 'course the more such curious events accumulate, the more a reasonable person becomes suspicious o' putin, yes?  if the common factor in all the strange deaths is putin, then one need be obtuse to not at least consider putin as a cause, no? 

 

multiple US warships has suffered collisions in a relative short period o' time.  the number o' collisions is disproportionate to past history o' collisions.  not be concerned, not be suspicious, would be irresponsible.

 

even so, correlation is not same as causation. bunch o' people get cancer and they all live near ________.  is easy to blame ________ for the cancers, yes? toxic river. abandoned nuclear power plant. pesticide manufacturer.  whatever.  turns out the river never actually were toxic, but yearly algae bloom made people believe it were polluted. the nuclear plant never actual were operational so it never housed radioactive material.  the pesticide manufacturer makes a syrup from oranges and kumquats which is highly effective at killing japanese beetles, and the syrup actual goes great with ice cream.  yeah, such stuff happens, but am thinking in the present situation, there is enough reason for the navy to be concerned, and absence o' investigation would be irresponsible.

 

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Another example of why we need to handoff control of our weapons platforms to AI. Never tired, never emotional, never limited to human physicality. Just sit a couple of people next to a big red dead man switch in case the AI goes loco. :shrugz:

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Well yeah, nobody's saying that we shouldn't be concerned, and nobody other than the conspiracy theorists are trying to spin conspiracy over it.

 

Also, apparently the USS John S. McCain had lost steering and weren't able to use their backup for some reason (maybe they need a backup to the backup?). Not sure why they couldn't have raised speed to get themselves out of the collision zone.






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