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Just noticed that u can enchant clothing!


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Not only it looks much cooler on a wizard, clothing's got no recovery penalties and is better than any robe in that respect. My wizard armor of choice is set.


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I just hope there is a decent variety of clothing -- I don't want no stinky armor, though the Hide Armor looks really cool for once (lots of feathers!)



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How does the enhancting actually work? Do you need to gather reagents? Pay lots of gold? Level up some ability?

 

That sounds interesting though!


Edited by Heijoushin, 10 March 2015 - 07:32 PM.


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How does the enhancting actually work? Do you need to gather reagents? Pay lots of gold? Level up some ability?

 

That sounds interesting though!

It works just as with normal armor.



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How does the enhancting actually work? Do you need to gather reagents? Pay lots of gold? Level up some ability?

 

Reagents/Ingredients+copper. You right-click the item for the description, and then there's an "Enchant" button at the bottom. You can enchant anywhere as long as you have the items and money.

I believe you can only enchant Torso, Weapon, and Shield. Maybe helmets too? (If there are generic boots & belts & gloves, with no stats like in Baldur's Gate II, there might be enchanting to them as well).


Edited by Osvir, 10 March 2015 - 09:26 PM.

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It will be interesting to see how easy or difficult gathering enchanting materials is in the full game as opposed to the BB where we get a fairly large supply in the BB crews inventory as the game starts.

 

Has anyone determined the number of enchantments that can be added to a single weapon or other item? Can you upgrade lower level enchantments to higher level later without issue from already reaching whatever limit there may or may not be?

 

Maybe I should go play with this now...  8)



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Yes you can.

 

I'm mildly annoyed at the fact that if you are going what amounts to armour-less, robes are for some reason just very-light-armour, while clothes are not-armour. If you wear robes already, you're doing so because you want as low of a penalty to your recovery/action speed as possible. At this point, you're unfortunately better off either naked, or dressing in "clothes" rather than "robes".

Thematically, I really can't see the difference between "clothes" and "robes", but from a min-maxing perspective, if we ignore potential "special" robes (of which we have no concrete knowledge), robes are inferior to clothes.

I'd really prefer it if robes were simply "downgraded" to "clothes" or vice versa. Why would a piece of cloth shaped like a bathrobe be so functionally different from cloth shaped like a shirt?

 

Edit: That said, holy **** Dyrwood clothing looks amazing. Vailian looks appropriately like a court jester.

 

Edit 2: ...I wonder if it would be feasible to go for a armour-less Paladin duelist, one-handing a rapier... should I try?


Edited by Luckmann, 11 March 2015 - 04:54 AM.

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Because, unlike any other clothes, robes give you special powers!

 

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.. or maybe not.

Agreed on the point that robes should be clothes as well. Sure they are "wizard clothes", but still clothes, not armor.


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I got a Monk Concept/Idea :D

 

Shirtless, pants-only, armor/torso wear?

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Maybe for expansion...? Or maybe even... Monk tattoo's, Fist/Torso/Head Enchantments/Talents?

In a similar way like Godlikes can't wear any helmets, perhaps there could be Monk "permanent Talents" or Enchantments that take up an Equipment Slot? (I.E. Taking "Head Tattoo" makes the Monk unable to wear any headwear, and taking "Torso Tattoo" makes the Monk unable to wear any armor etc.).


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Because, unlike any other clothes, robes give you special powers!

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Well, that's just, like, your opinion, dude.


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Thematically, I really can't see the difference between "clothes" and "robes", but from a min-maxing perspective, if we ignore potential "special" robes (of which we have no concrete knowledge), robes are inferior to clothes.

Robes offer a small amount of protection, regular clothing doesn't. That's an obvious difference.

 



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Thematically, I really can't see the difference between "clothes" and "robes", but from a min-maxing perspective, if we ignore potential "special" robes (of which we have no concrete knowledge), robes are inferior to clothes.

 

Robes offer a small amount of protection, regular clothing doesn't. That's an obvious difference.

 

 

Yes, mechanically, that's the problem. Hence why I commented on the thematic nature, and why I said that robes should be downgraded to be "clothes" or vice versa (i.e. "clothes" should be comparable to "robes".

The differentiation is ridiculous, especially when we're talking about levels of protection that doesn't mechanically matter.


Edited by Luckmann, 11 March 2015 - 05:20 AM.


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Well the obvious answer is robes are constructed as a form of armor and unenchanted clothes are not perhaps there is a tailor somewhere that can make you an unenchanted robe if you really must have one.

 

I for one would not want to have to enchant a robe in order for it to have any armor function at all nor would I want all clothes to automatically have armor enchantments. 

 

As it stands it's another armor option and I see it as a good thing.



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Well the obvious answer is robes are constructed as a form of armor and unenchanted clothes are not perhaps there is a tailor somewhere that can make you an unenchanted robe if you really must have one.

 

I for one would not want to have to enchant a robe in order for it to have any armor function at all nor would I want all clothes to automatically have armor enchantments. 

 

As it stands it's another armor option and I see it as a good thing.

 

How, and why? Why would you construct robes as a form of armour, yet use no leather or metal in it's construction? How would you even start sewing a robe "as a form of armour"? I'm genuinely curious here, because I'm not sure where to even begin over the large amount of "wat?" going through my head.

Robes and clothing can be equally enchanted, by the way, although it is entirely possible (likely, even) that there's select apparel of the robe variety in the game that has unique enchants or something to that effect. I'd be surprised if there wasn't several "unique" robes, so to say. I doubt that the same attention has been paid to "regular" clothing.

And while you personally wouldn't want to enchant a robe yourself to have any armour at all, I don't think most would want to gimp themselves like that, at least not once they've learned the rules (I suspect most will stick to Robes either because they specifically want robes, and feel like the trade-off is worth it just so they can look the way they want, or because they have yet to learn that it's a trap choice).

Personal tastes like that can't really be accounted for, but I think it's sad that people should be punished just because they want to wear a set of robes instead of walking around naked or with basic "clothes". There's no thematic or mechanical reason I can think of where it would make sense (thematic) or be beneficial (mechanical) to wear robes over clothes, currently.

You say it's another armour option and that therefore it's inherently a good thing. But more isn't always better, far from it. It's like making a distinction between the clothes a farmer wears to that which a noble wears, and therefore, on principle, it'd be a good thing, whether it makes sense thematically or not, whether it contributes a meaningful option to your choice of armour or not. It really wouldn't. And it really doesn't.


Edited by Luckmann, 11 March 2015 - 06:35 AM.

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can you change dye color of the clothes, those examples above are fantabulous :)


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I suspect they included the ability to enchant "clothes" specifically to give people an option to wandering around naked and thus being unable to have any enchantments at all in order to eliminate the recovery penalty in armor.

 

(And the fact that it was just going to be so apparent that traveling naked was an exploit of the system because no adventurer would ever logically do such a thing they they felt a way was needed to eliminate it without penalty.) 

 

As to why you have no problem with that scenario (adventuring naked) and yet can't fathom how robes and clothes can be different in armor class is beyond me (other than the whole I want what I want when I want it syndrome.)

 

The fact that they have decided to add a level of armor that can be enchanted without a recovery penalty is in my opinion no reason to change the current status of robes to match it as robes are in fact quite fine as they are and there have got to many more productive things to be done 2 weeks before release.



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As to why you have no problem with that scenario (adventuring naked) and yet can't fathom how robes and clothes can be different in armor class is beyond me (other than the whole I want what I want when I want it syndrome.)

 

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I have no idea what you're even trying to say, whether it's just nonsense or a blatant strawman. I'm going to go with the guess of a (bad) strawman.



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In a nutshell - I think it's fine if robes are different than common clothes.



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In a nutshell - I think it's fine if robes are different than common clothes.

 

I think we all already understood that, it doesn't mean you have to create poorly constructed strawmen instead of actual arguments.

Thematically and mechanically, the separation between robes and "clothes" makes no sense, nor does it serve a meaningful thematic or mechanical purpose.






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