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[Malcador]

Pirate Bay's response to the UK ISP bans - http://thepiratebay.se/blog

TPB gets censored in the UK

The Western countries of the world all complaints about the censorship in Iran, China, Saudi Arabia and so on. But they are really the worst culprits themselves, having double morals in doing an even worse thing themselves.
Today news was out that the UK high court has decided that TPB is "massively infringing on copyright". The facts that no copyright is being infringed upon here at the site was not a welcome fact, so that was ignored apparantly.
Noone from TPB was invited to the court case, which would be normal to do in a democracy. This is not the first time this happens, it's been the same in most countries we're censored in. We have no right to speak since we're not rich.
Five ISPs got sued by the record companies to force them to block us. This is particularily interesting since music released and promoted exclusively here on TPB is currently in the brittish top charts. We are simply competitors that they just managed to squeeze out of their market, in a maffiesque way.
As usual there are easy ways to circumvent the block. Use a VPN service to be anonymous and get an uncensored internet access, you should do this anyhow. Or use TOR, I2P or some other darknet with access to the internets. Change your DNS settings with OpenDNS. Or use googles DNS servers... we could go on...
But don't forget that we can't allow this **** to happen. Next time they're coming for something else. And yes, there will be a next time if we don't stop them. Write to your ISP and tell them to appeal the case. Write to your local MPs and tell them that this is not allowed. Make sure your voice is heard. Remember, we're all the pirate bay, and we must stand united against the censorship from our opponents!

[Gfted1]

Im surprised they havent figured out some way to send an electrical pulse back to the servers and simply fry them.

[Delfosse]

Pirate Bay's response to the UK ISP bans - http://thepiratebay.se/blog

Anyone surprised? There's no freedom (of speech or other) in the West. It's a big joke.

Edited by Delfosse, 01 May 2012 - 10:38 AM.

[Jaesun]

Don't we already have a piracy thread?

[Monte Carlo]

Pirate Bay's response to the UK ISP bans - http://thepiratebay.se/blog

Anyone surprised? There's no freedom (of speech or other) in the West. It's a big joke.

I know, where will this respect of basic property rights end, eh?

[Mamoulian War]

Don't we already have a piracy thread?

This is not about piracy, this is about censorship... Just read the link https://torrentfreak...-charts-120427/

They cut Dan Bull and other people like him from promoting their music in UK... What does this have to do with piracy?

[Hurlshot]

It's weird how the people who always rant about the West not having free speech and censoring rarely live in the west.

[Delfosse]

I know, where will this respect of basic property rights end, eh?

1- Torrents aren't used exclusively for pirating. I download approximately 10-15 gigabytes per month of historical and political shows that aired in Russia on free television channels. That's just one of the million examples to use torrents legitimately.

2- What do you qualify as basic property rights, as opposed to advanced property rights? Owning physical objects such as apartment and a car is basic. Owning rights to a certain sequence of ones and zeros, that once decoded with a certain algorithm, turn into singing of words (that may have been "stolen" from previous singers), how is that simple? A singing that you did just once, then went home and made millions from it, that's not "basic", because it raises questions. How do you own rights of a sequence of ones and zeros? For how long should it remain YOUR property? How many millions is a person allowed to make yearly, since our resources aren't unlimited and by making so much money, your slow down humanity's progress, and since certain amounts of money are immoral, especially since they come from simple luck and no real useful accomplishment? Keep in mind, that money could be spent on research and development, or on sick kids, or on medical research for cancer. It's basic to you because you make absolutely no distinction between malum prohibitum and malum in se, which is a common trait of Westerners. If something is prohibited by law, then it must be bad (even if it isn't). If something isn't, then it must be good (even if it isn't). Independent thinking is frowned upon.

3- There can be models, in which private property in cultural and entertainment spheres doesn't exist, simply because those are essential to human beings, like medicine. Depriving people of such is one of the most inhuman ways to treat anyone. Providing a poor with a digital copy of his favorite song that he can't afford and WOULDN'T have afforded anyway (which means nobody loses anything), is it really a crime? Is it a crime that a kid whose parents are poor or simply don't spend money on him, gets to listen to someone sing? What a grim world you must live in.

Nothing is simple about digital content.

Edited by Delfosse, 01 May 2012 - 02:02 PM.

[Gfted1]

[Tigranes]

Whoa. I agree with the basic point that there is no such thing as 'inherent' property rights, and especially intellectual property is a particular historical construction rather than founded on a consistent set of ethics, but that's a whole load of equally artificial assumptions and judgments you're bringing in there.

Anyway, feel free to create a thread on this or find an existing one, but let's keep this one for game news...

[Monte Carlo]

I know, where will this respect of basic property rights end, eh?

1- Torrents aren't used exclusively for pirating. I download approximately 10-15 gigabytes per month of historical and political shows that aired in Russia on free television channels. That's just one of the million examples to use torrents legitimately.

2- What do you qualify as basic property rights, as opposed to advanced property rights? Owning physical objects such as apartment and a car is basic. Owning rights to a certain sequence of ones and zeros, that once decoded with a certain algorithm, turn into singing of words (that may have been "stolen" from previous singers), how is that simple? A singing that you did just once, then went home and made millions from it, that's not "basic", because it raises questions. How do you own rights of a sequence of ones and zeros? For how long should it remain YOUR property? How many millions is a person allowed to make yearly, since our resources aren't unlimited and by making so much money, your slow down humanity's progress, and since certain amounts of money are immoral, especially since they come from simple luck and no real useful accomplishment? Keep in mind, that money could be spent on research and development, or on sick kids, or on medical research for cancer. It's basic to you because you make absolutely no distinction between malum prohibitum and malum in se, which is a common trait of Westerners. If something is prohibited by law, then it must be bad (even if it isn't). If something isn't, then it must be good (even if it isn't). Independent thinking is frowned upon.

3- There can be models, in which private property in cultural and entertainment spheres doesn't exist, simply because those are essential to human beings, like medicine. Depriving people of such is one of the most inhuman ways to treat anyone. Providing a poor with a digital copy of his favorite song that he can't afford and WOULDN'T have afforded anyway (which means nobody loses anything), is it really a crime? Is it a crime that a kid whose parents are poor or simply don't spend money on him, gets to listen to someone sing? What a grim world you must live in.

Nothing is simple about digital content.

I don't really give a rat's arse about your definiton mate. The law in the UK regarding copyright is clear. The UK is entitled to operate within it's jurisdiction regarding the same.

On a personal level, I've just written a book. It's with a publisher. It took me a long time to write, and if you want to read it you pay for it. Whining about free access to other people's labour just because it's in code doesn't cut any ice with me.

Grow up.

Edited by Monte Carlo, 01 May 2012 - 02:20 PM.

[Morgoth]

LOL Britain.

That's what is happening when your country is run by a bunch of entitled Oxford college-kids that think they can wield power like an absolute monarch.

[Hurlshot]

The crazy train is really picking up speed in this thread. Maybe we should talk about something less controversial, like the ending of Mass Effect 3.

[Malcador]

Who's being crazy here ?

[entrerix]

How many millions is a person allowed to make yearly, since our resources aren't unlimited and by making so much money, your slow down humanity's progress, and since certain amounts of money are immoral, especially since they come from simple luck and no real useful accomplishment?

I wish i were this drunk

[Gorth]

Who's being crazy here ?

People who believe this has anything to do with censorship?

Funny how they always try to play that card every time such ugly concepts as accountability and similar rears their ugly head.

In an ideal world, you would have an internet that didn't get monitored by authorities constantly and where there was no anonymity whatsoever. Then people would always have to face up to their actions.

[Malcador]

I guess they'll have to start actively screening for a whole host of things. Probably should have brought the TPB folk in to hear from them, but eh, is Britain.

[Azdeus]

LOL Britain.

That's what is happening when your country is run by a bunch of entitled Oxford college-kids that think they can wield power like an absolute monarch.

Such juicy things as their libel laws and now this. Britain really likes free speech it would seem.

[Orogun01]

So hacking phones it's ok but hacking the pop charts it's wrong. Britain its a confusing place

[Gorgon]

TPB has never once in its history attempted to remove copyrighted content. half hearted attempts were made by both Mininova and ISOhunt and others concerned with their long term survival. People go there to get illegal ****, and maybe they check out whatever band is being promoted as well. Lets call a spade a spade people.