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I'm increasingly and unutterably depressed by the total shocking and incoherent mess the democratic nations are making of everything. We are neither soberly and educatedly taking action, nor just getting drunk and getting on with things, but soberly and hysterically running in small circles and watching the X Factor. The prospect of the fulcrum of world events being controlled by a certifiable loon of either party is simply par for the course.

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GD, you cite two bills on the congress floor, and yet Obama himself can't (technically) control what gets put on the floor and voted up or down. This is one thing I think that many people forget, the executive branch can't introduce and work bills over in congress, so you can't say he personally is to blame for those two bills.

Also the current congress is republican controlled so *shrugs*

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GD, you cite two bills on the congress floor, and yet Obama himself can't (technically) control what gets put on the floor and voted up or down. This is one thing I think that many people forget, the executive branch can't introduce and work bills over in congress, so you can't say he personally is to blame for those two bills.

Also the current congress is republican controlled so *shrugs*

Yup that is true. They were introduced by Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.), Rep. John Dingell (D-Mich.) and Sen. **** Durbin (D-Ill.) in 2009-2010 when the Dems held the cards. Obama mentioned his support of the Durbin Bill in his SotU address in 2010. Since the Repubs took over the House in early this year those bills are Dead On Arrival, thankfully. But Obama would have signed them had they passed before the 2010 elections. And it would have caused the cost of food to go up even more, hurting people financially even more. Obama and others in the government are not evil people. They do not sit around and dream up ways to harm the people financially or otherwise. But they often do out of sheer ignorance coupled with good intentions. They biggest part of the Libertarian political philosophy is that a smaller government will hurt you less.

The problem with career politicians is that they lack any real understanding of what they are governing. The biggest problem with the US political system now is not Republican or Democrats, or even the choice of one or the other. We have allowed the creation of an entire class of people who do nothing but govern. They have no concept of how an economy works because they do not participate in it. They have never had a real job, had to meet a payroll, had to manage a hosehold on a limited income. This is where I could trot out the term limits argument but that is futile, they will never pass it. The political class really has become the tail wagging the dog. Just look at the whole Jon Wiener debacle for an example of how out of control it has become.

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The problem with career politicians is that they lack any real understanding of what they are governing. The biggest problem with the US political system now is not Republican or Democrats, or even the choice of one or the other. We have allowed the creation of an entire class of people who do nothing but govern. They have no concept of how an economy works because they do not participate in it. They have never had a real job, had to meet a payroll, had to manage a hosehold on a limited income. This is where I could trot out the term limits argument but that is futile, they will never pass it. The political class really has become the tail wagging the dog. Just look at the whole Jon Wiener debacle for an example of how out of control it has become.

That problem is not limited to the U.S., (un)fortunately. It also transcends, as you sort of point out, any individual or even parties.

I believe that the original concept between a strong president and a parliament was that you elected both your ruler (the president) and your representatives (the parliament) who acted as a control to the ruler. The system has evolved to the point where you just pick guys for oligarchy; no matter what the negative fallout of their results is, they know that they'll never have to personally face them.

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GD, you cite two bills on the congress floor, and yet Obama himself can't (technically) control what gets put on the floor and voted up or down. This is one thing I think that many people forget, the executive branch can't introduce and work bills over in congress, so you can't say he personally is to blame for those two bills.

Also the current congress is republican controlled so *shrugs*

Yup that is true. They were introduced by Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.), Rep. John Dingell (D-Mich.) and Sen. **** Durbin (D-Ill.) in 2009-2010 when the Dems held the cards. Obama mentioned his support of the Durbin Bill in his SotU address in 2010. Since the Repubs took over the House in early this year those bills are Dead On Arrival, thankfully. But Obama would have signed them had they passed before the 2010 elections. And it would have caused the cost of food to go up even more, hurting people financially even more. Obama and others in the government are not evil people. They do not sit around and dream up ways to harm the people financially or otherwise. But they often do out of sheer ignorance coupled with good intentions. They biggest part of the Libertarian political philosophy is that a smaller government will hurt you less.

The problem with career politicians is that they lack any real understanding of what they are governing. The biggest problem with the US political system now is not Republican or Democrats, or even the choice of one or the other. We have allowed the creation of an entire class of people who do nothing but govern. They have no concept of how an economy works because they do not participate in it. They have never had a real job, had to meet a payroll, had to manage a hosehold on a limited income. This is where I could trot out the term limits argument but that is futile, they will never pass it. The political class really has become the tail wagging the dog. Just look at the whole Jon Wiener debacle for an example of how out of control it has become.

Question, which bills are you talking about? The only durbin bill I found via google search was the more recent one that's designed to crack down on privatization of government assets, and one that forces the Fed to put in rules on swipe fees for debit cards that are reasonable.

And on the topic of "Small Government=better" Thing is that without a larger government intervention within the financial sector (at the very least) the government can't do the job of defending their citizens from being defrauded by the companies that would end up (basically) controlling the economy.

I mean you look at it right now and the entire financial system acts like the smaller investors/non-investors are complete trash, and when they loose their money it's their own fault, not the fault of the person that they trusted their money to.

Decreasing government in this capacity would allow those companies who ripped us off and sent the global economy into a tailspin that (under Obama) is finally starting to level out, to keep right on ripping us off and supporting the upper 3% of the population of the US in terms of income.

Understand, I'm not saying that the government needs to intervene in every situation, but there needs to be an understanding that the government is supposed to protect us from enemies foreign and domestic who don't always shoot at us as much as steal from us.

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Can't see her winning the overall popular vote against Obama.

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I kind of would like to see Bachmann as president. In the way that I like to push big red buttons that say "DO NOT PUSH." You know something bad is going to happen. You just don't know what. And there's only one way to find out.

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Can't see her winning the overall popular vote against Obama.


Something crazy will have to happen for her to get that far, these types of candidates have trouble sustaining the campaign. They more flash than substance.

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So you're thinking she'll end up like Rudi?

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I've been watching the Republican primaries play out a bit more, and it is looking like the crazies have faded a bit. The top candidate is clearly Mitt Romney, right now it's hard to imagine anyone getting over him. I know folks were clamoring for Chris Christie, but he has made it clear he has no intention of running. I don't know a ton on Christie, but I like that he is committed to the original job he was elected to (boo Sarah Palin) and I've always thought the best choice for president is the one who doesn't want the job. No reasonable person would. Anyways, no reason to talk about him further until he actually runs.

So on to Mitt Romney. I've learned a bit more about him. Apparently the big knock is that he is too willing to compromise with democrats. Given that our country is in dire need of some bipartisanship, I think that's an absolutely crazy criticism.

Herman Cain is an intriguing candidate that has picked up steam lately. Word is he doesn't have the funds to make a real push, but his fiscal conservative policies have some promise and he's got a fantastic background story. I think if he could end up as the VP candidate, that would be a pretty strong ticket.

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So on to Mitt Romney. I've learned a bit more about him. Apparently the big knock is that he is too willing to compromise with democrats. Given that our country is in dire need of some bipartisanship, I think that's an absolutely crazy criticism.


Perhaps the bad thing for him is that a large portion of people who share that opinion are just not inclined to vote Republican. :/ (that doesn't mean they're all committed Dems, btw.)

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I've been watching the Republican primaries play out a bit more, and it is looking like the crazies have faded a bit. The top candidate is clearly Mitt Romney, right now it's hard to imagine anyone getting over him. I know folks were clamoring for Chris Christie, but he has made it clear he has no intention of running. I don't know a ton on Christie, but I like that he is committed to the original job he was elected to (boo Sarah Palin) and I've always thought the best choice for president is the one who doesn't want the job. No reasonable person would. Anyways, no reason to talk about him further until he actually runs.

So on to Mitt Romney. I've learned a bit more about him. Apparently the big knock is that he is too willing to compromise with democrats. Given that our country is in dire need of some bipartisanship, I think that's an absolutely crazy criticism.

Herman Cain is an intriguing candidate that has picked up steam lately. Word is he doesn't have the funds to make a real push, but his fiscal conservative policies have some promise and he's got a fantastic background story. I think if he could end up as the VP candidate, that would be a pretty strong ticket.

Romney/Cain huh? I can certainly live with that. I'm very impressed with Herman Cain, but his lack of political experience makes him a dubious choice for the most political job in the country. Romney is not an ideal candidate in my opinion, but he is the best of poor choices. Either way he's 1000s times better than Obama. I'd be happy with Romney/Cain in 2012 & 2016 and Cain/? in 2020.

Bachman has become the Republican version of Joe Biden and can not get out of her own way.
Gingrich, c'mon, seriously?
Perry I've gone from sort of liking when I knew little about him to despising when I knew a lot about him.
Ron Paul, not going to happen. Sorry, wish it were otherwise but, not gonna happen.
The rest have no shot.

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Well... Hurlie, you have to realize that most of the critics of Romney are also the guys who whoop and holler at Perry's executions and who also scream to let the poverty stricken folk die in the streets.

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Looks like Romney is pulling ahead again. BTW have you all heard the absolutely vile and slightly racisist attacks on Herman Cain coming from left wing pundits such as Oberman, Matthews & Shaprton. If they hate him that much he must be good!

And a big THANK YOU to Sarah Palin for doing the right thing and not imposing her presence on this election.

Edit: Sorry, here is the link: http://www.realclear...olls/elections/

Edited by Guard Dog, 10 October 2011 - 12:54 PM.


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I thought this was a pretty clever clip from SNL

http://www.hulu.com/...stie#s-p2-sr-i1

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Looks like Romney is pulling ahead again. BTW have you all heard the absolutely vile and slightly racisist attacks on Herman Cain coming from left wing pundits such as Oberman, Matthews & Shaprton. If they hate him that much he must be good!

And a big THANK YOU to Sarah Palin for doing the right thing and not imposing her presence on this election.

Edit: Sorry, here is the link: http://www.realclear...olls/elections/

Well, he's also made himself the most visible candidate by going on every talk show under the sun. I think Romney would end up as the best "moderate" candidate (if those still existed), and Cain... well Cain might not understand fully what he'd have to deal with as a political figure in the position of executive rather than as a CEO. Political experience counts, particularly as an executive.

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I've been pondering the recent furore over our Minister in charge of Defence, Liam Fox, and reached a hypothesis:

No worthwhile politician or indeed person has a cupboard free of skeletons.

It further occurs to me, reading this thread, that the US system is now a parlour game of 'who has the least skeletons' and is thereby rendered an exercise in selecting pasteboard simpletons.

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I've been pondering the recent furore over our Minister in charge of Defence, Liam Fox, and reached a hypothesis:

No worthwhile politician or indeed person has a cupboard free of skeletons.

It further occurs to me, reading this thread, that the US system is now a parlour game of 'who has the least skeletons' and is thereby rendered an exercise in selecting pasteboard simpletons.

:x

Considering I'm now in BBC-land, I've been following the same news looking roughly like this: :ermm:

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This primary is definitely taking some odd turns, I really thought there would be a clear frontrunner, or at least be down to two at this point. Romney really seems to be unable to seal the deal here, and I don't think his tax returns are going to help his cause.

Most of the nutjobs have dropped out, Rick Santorum is the only one left. Santorum might be the worst of the bunch though, he's hardcore religious and that makes me nervous. He's been losing that initial steam fast, so I don't think it will be an issue. I've really had trouble figuring out Ron Paul, he keeps getting that Libertarian title and he's got that loyal constituency, but I still feel like I know little about the guy.

So that leaves Gingrich and Romney, it seems. I gotta say, I prefer Gingrich. He's smarter and seems more equipped to play the political game. We need a politician that can bridge the party divide, and I haven't seen anything out of Romney that says he can do that. Unfortunately Gingrich brings a fair amount of personal baggage with him, so I'm not sure if he could win an election against Obama.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out. It's been a total circus so far.




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