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Wow. At first I thought you were just being sarcastic out of nowhere for the sheer irony of claiming that the showdown between Yuriko and Logan was some bizarre sexual fantasy. After reading your replies I realize that you're serious.

Did you just finish reading Freud? The notion that all human behavior is ultimately sexually motivated has been heavily discredited. Any analogy between stabbing weapons and sexual penetration is purely coincidental. Just because there is an act that resembles (in some extremely far-fetched way, I might add) some portion of sexual intercourse does not mean that it is related to it. One who looks for connections between coincidences can always find them, because one can always limit what one wants to believe in order to make their connections look true. This does not make the connections true!

Not to mention the fact that Yuriko repeatedly "penetrates" Logan with her "phallic objects" to kill him.

The fight was inevitable- how trite and insulting would it be if Wolverine tried to talk some sense into Deathstrike? How stupid do we think our audience is? Try to "talk her out of it" just to appease the oversensitive and misguided sensibilities of some self-hating sector of the public? Are you nuts? How spineless do you want to world to become?

Logan can be seen as anything but woman-hating. He has a strong friendship with Rogue, and obviously has feelings for Jean Grey; he respects her as well. Clearly after reviewing the scene, Logan is driven to the conflict with Yuriko. Their gender is meaningless in this case, except fot the fact that it allows to author a way to create combat between two of equal powers without seeming uncreative.

As for the adamantium-filling, it seems the only way to decisively kill one of the two characters within the context of the scene- otherwise they both would have survived.

Your contempt for men is as bad as you make out men's contempt of women to be.

Blatant misogyny? There are areas where your energies could be focused, but not here. Try your local church. Your crying wolf is only going to make your goal of equality harder to obtain.

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well written point... i think i agree.

the concept is stretched, btw, to include builders of skyscrapers. i.e. it's some phallic contest of "bigger is better." the fact that building up rather than out makes more economic sense is largely ignored.

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After reading your replies I realize that you're serious.

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in the japanese S.E, all the male xmen run in, grabs a adamantium-hose each and take turns at soaking her entire body in "adamantium"

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..no, not really no. (and I arent no darn missus either)

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Totally unrelated to the rest of this trainwreck of a thread, I'm just curious about how she actually fights with those claws - does she try to slash or pierce or what? Does anyone ever try to just snap them backwards? 'cause they look like overlong press-on nails that'd break at the least bit of resistance.

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I thought a bit about that myself actually but I think they just glue to attach the prosthetics to both the surface of the nails aswell as around the fingertip, then they used makeup and silver-colored nailpolish to cover it up.

Hugh Jackmans claws were CGI for the tricky scenes but the "live" ones had a grip resting in his palm.

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Well, I mean in the movie as well: the claws look really fragile.

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the claws are alledgedly made out of the strongest material known to man they are not fragile but unbreakable and deathstryke was a ruthless individual who was in no mood to talk nice why not ask why wolverine didn't try to convert sabertooth or mystique in thier fights any wasted time would cost yo uin battle you just have no choice but to fight

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I now realise that I should never have left the safety of the Kotor 2 section.

I have merely one question to the author of this thread: Why?

Why should we stop the senseless violence against female villains? Because you won't buy the Xmen 2 DVD, or perhaps because you won't go to Xmen 3?

I do not understand why movies and other forms of art should be censored for content because someone believes it is related to 'sex'.

When I watched Xmen 2, I was bothered by a lot of things, not in the least to say that I did not believe the actor playing Logan was convincing as Wolverine, and several other faults of picking the wrong guy for the job (except of course Patrick Steward and Sir Ian McKellen), but not at all by this combat.

Although I have no illusion that this movie was aimed at me as an audience, I do not feel you are part, nor want to be part of that mainstream audience.

I very much applaud the reply of anari_quun, whom you, in my eyes, almost completely ignored. As he so very well states some of the issues the world sees today that are so much more important for people to stand for.

Oh, and on the issue of sex, although I do not believe myself to be an expert on the matter, I don't recall ever seeing sperm coming out of a woman's eye, let alone forming a tear.

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the reply of anari_quun, whom you, in my eyes, almost completely ignored.

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Well, both his and your problem is that you take this way to seriously. I have an odd sense of humor that may be difficult to fully comprehend, usually I tend to get as close as possible to being completely serious while still retaining full comedy. There may be some odd bits of material in here that could form the basis of a serious argument but that was for comedic effect


The only real true thing I have to say is that i think its sad when they kill off beautiful actresses and keep the lame protagonistic ones.

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yes. but AFTER being impaled on a statue..  it was still Jackies fault.

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Forgot about this thread. :lol:"

Anyway, she wasn't impaled on a statue. Maybe what you are thinking of was when she was knocked out by the spear from the statue that fell over?

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Well, I won't have anyone claiming I can't stand a joke. You had me :).

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Kaftan-

If your intent was to reflect on the absurdity of the world we live in by taking the tack of someone looking for something to be offended by and making fun of it, I apologize.

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Mr Do-goodie "No if you go darkside Ill have to put up a pathetic but symbolic fight to show my disproval" Bindo? Neg.

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Eh, point flew right over your head with that one, just like some of the posters in this thread. He was a Chaotic-Neutral w/ Good Tendencies. Unlike 99% of the other Force Wielders out there, he was more or less content to just sit back and let whatever was going to happen in the galaxy happen, once he came face to face with evil, once again; in the form of Revan reborn...and he knew he MIGHT have some sort of chance of stopping it, he tried to. I imagine he knew he wouldn't win in a fight, but he probably thought he had some sort of chance of getting you to back down...even if you were injured first.


Wow.  At first I thought you were just being sarcastic out of nowhere for the sheer irony of claiming that the showdown between Yuriko and Logan was some bizarre sexual fantasy.  After reading your replies I realize that you're serious.

Did you just finish reading Freud?  The notion that all human behavior is ultimately sexually motivated has been heavily discredited.  Any analogy between stabbing weapons and sexual penetration is purely coincidental.  Just because there is an act that resembles (in some extremely far-fetched way, I might add) some portion of sexual intercourse does not mean that it is related to it.  One who looks for connections between coincidences can always find them, because one can always limit what one wants to believe in order to make their connections look true.  This does not make the connections true!

Not to mention the fact that Yuriko repeatedly "penetrates" Logan with her "phallic objects" to kill him.

The fight was inevitable- how trite and insulting would it be if Wolverine tried to talk some sense into Deathstrike?  How stupid do we think our audience is?  Try to "talk her out of it" just to appease the oversensitive and misguided sensibilities of some self-hating sector of the public?  Are you nuts?  How spineless do you want to world to become?

Logan can be seen as anything but woman-hating.  He has a strong friendship with Rogue, and obviously has feelings for Jean Grey; he respects her as well.  Clearly after reviewing the scene, Logan is driven to the conflict with Yuriko.  Their gender is meaningless in this case, except fot the fact that it allows to author a way to create combat between two of equal powers without seeming uncreative.

As for the adamantium-filling, it seems the only way to decisively kill one of the two characters within the context of the scene- otherwise they both would have survived.

Your contempt for men is as bad as you make out men's contempt of women to be.

Blatant misogyny?  There are areas where your energies could be focused, but not here.  Try your local church.  Your crying wolf is only going to make your goal of equality harder to obtain.

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Wow...you people are crazy...or you missed the Bukakke reference.


the claws are alledgedly made out of the strongest material known to man they are not fragile but unbreakable and deathstryke was a ruthless individual who was in no mood to talk nice why not ask why wolverine didn't try to convert sabertooth or mystique in thier fights any wasted time would cost yo uin battle you just have no choice but to fight

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Was I the ONLY one who saw the burn that indicated she was under the same mind control all the others were (including Cyclops, who was decidedly NOT evil)?


I now realise that I should never have left the safety of the Kotor 2 section.

I have merely one question to the author of this thread: Why?

Why should we stop the senseless violence against female villains? Because you won't buy the Xmen 2 DVD, or perhaps because you won't go to Xmen 3?

I do not understand why movies and other forms of art should be censored for content because someone believes it is related to 'sex'.

When I watched Xmen 2, I was bothered by a lot of things, not in the least to say that I did not believe the actor playing Logan was convincing as Wolverine, and several other faults of picking the wrong guy for the job (except of course Patrick Steward and Sir Ian McKellen), but not at all by this combat.

Although I have no illusion that this movie was aimed at me as an audience, I do not feel you are part, nor want to be part of that mainstream audience.

I very much applaud the reply of anari_quun, whom you, in my eyes, almost completely ignored. As he so very well states some of the issues the world sees today that are so much more important for people to stand for.

[b]Oh, and on the issue of sex, although I do not believe myself to be an expert on the matter, I don't recall ever seeing sperm coming out of a woman's eye, let alone forming a tear.[b]

Mr U

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It was a metaphorical sperm-tear. :thumbsup:



the reply of anari_quun, whom you, in my eyes, almost completely ignored.

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Well, both his and your problem is that you take this way to seriously. I have an odd sense of humor that may be difficult to fully comprehend, usually I tend to get as close as possible to being completely serious while still retaining full comedy. There may be some odd bits of material in here that could form the basis of a serious argument but that was for comedic effect


The only real true thing I have to say is that i think its sad when they kill off beautiful actresses and keep the lame protagonistic ones.

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I caught it, it was f'n hilarious too.

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Good ol Servant of Eru, it is nice to see some men of not only intelligence but wit on these boards. :D

I just wish I had taken it further and gotten into a really wild mock-argument with above posters. But that sort of behaviour has gotten me banned on pretty much all of the previous forums Ive plagued.




...but the Bindo-thing. it might have flown over my head, I just meant that he was going on and on about neutrality and the natural ebb and flow of the universe, only to go ape with lightsidedness if you selected the badness.

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Hey! I can be witty... for a miscreant..

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no no Kaftan .. she doesn't say a thing .. so naturally he assumes she agrees, and then she cuts him to pieces (like any woman would) ..
they just edited that out as to not make Wolverine appear soft!

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My recollection (and I have a copy of the film) is that she is brainwashed with the serum and is ordered to attack Wolverine. He initially doesn't attack her; but he is unable to subdue her. She repeatedly stabs him, faster than his "super healing metabolism" can respond, so he is close to defeat before he actually gets serious and kills her, more to stop her than out of some psychopathic urge (his dark character notwithstanding).

What I want to know is how Miss Deathclaws was able to regenerate so quickly: I mean, this was the point of Wolverine, wasn't it? He was only suitable for the "adamantine bone-plating" process because his body could recover fast enough before he died from shock. How come Deathclaws can do that too?

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... Wow...you people are crazy...or you missed the Bukakke reference.  ...

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Spotted it, but decided that decorum demanded I steer a polite course around it.

... Was I the ONLY one who saw the burn that indicated she was under the same mind control all the others were (including Cyclops, who was decidedly NOT evil)?  ...

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See my post, above. At one point, when bad dude is talking to Xavier (why does he promounce it "EX-Zavier", it makes him sound retarded?) and Lady Deathclaws (cool name, btw) "wakes up". Also, regarding said claws, I am sure they are not just stuck on her fingernails; they are inserted deep into the phalanges.
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the reply of anari_quun, whom you, in my eyes, almost completely ignored.

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Well, both his and your problem is that you take this way to seriously. I have an odd sense of humor that may be difficult to fully comprehend, usually I tend to get as close as possible to being completely serious while still retaining full comedy. There may be some odd bits of material in here that could form the basis of a serious argument but that was for comedic effect

The only real true thing I have to say is that i think its sad when they kill off beautiful actresses and keep the lame protagonistic ones.

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I caught it, it was f'n hilarious too.

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Me too. Kaftan -- odd sense of humour? Nah! :cool:

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Oh, and on the issue of sex, although I do not believe myself to be an expert on the matter, I don't recall ever seeing sperm coming out of a woman's eye, let alone forming a tear.

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I have. :ermm:



...What are you all giving me that look for? :(

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Also, regarding said claws, I am sure they are not just stuck on her fingernails; they are inserted deep into the phalanges.




I think we were discussing how they attached the non-CGI claws they used in the films and promo shots.


I found some hi-res pics and it looks like they have a very skillfully camouflaged skin-colored attachement that fits over the entire fingertip to the first joint.

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Also, regarding said claws, I am sure they are not just stuck on her fingernails; they are inserted deep into the phalanges.

I think we were discussing how they attached the non-CGI claws they used in the films and promo shots.

I found some hi-res pics and it looks like they have a very skillfully camouflaged skin-colored attachement that fits over the entire fingertip to the first joint.

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And I thought Aurora was asking about the Lady Deathclaws character's actual physionomy ...

Totally unrelated to the rest of this trainwreck of a thread, I'm just curious about how she actually fights with those claws - does she try to slash or pierce or what? Does anyone ever try to just snap them backwards? 'cause they look like overlong press-on nails that'd break at the least bit of resistance.

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