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Neverwinter Nights 2 or Dragon Age?


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Okay, as we all know - Neverwinter Nights is a PC role-playing game from BioWare. (Unless you have been living under a rock for the past three years).

Dragon Age and Neverwinter Nights II are both PC role-playing games with medieval setting and they both have a toolset for custom content.

BioWare is now making a new role-playing game called Dragon Age. It has a world of it's own and it doesn't follow D&D rules = BioWare doesn't have to ask permission from WoTC for anything. I think BioWare has more money and time to put on Dragon Age than Obsidian has on NWN II. Which will be seen in the quality.

Obsidian is now making a sequel to the famous role-playing game Neverwinter Nights. It is based in the City of Neverwinter (Just like the original nwn) and it does follow D&D rules. Which is good for those who have played PnP for years. But I doubt they get the game balanced this time. All the happenings of NWN II take part in the city of Neverwinter, that doesn't offer anything new, does it? This has been said many times that Obsidian has a strict schelude and limited money to put on this game and they also have other projects on their way (KoTR II). Knights of the Old Republic was also a game by Bioware. But why BioWare are giving all the sequels to Obsidian? Not that it bothers me but I have suspicions. Also, limited time and money will be seen in the quality. I'd say NWN II hits the stores around 2006-2008 but of course I can't know it and it may end up to be stores at 2010.

Dragon Age on the other hand offers a brand new world from a skilled team that is more flexible than NWN II. Also BioWare is helping out Obsidian with the toolset and stuff - so in my eyes it looks like Obsidian isn't as skilled as BioWare. And also, it may be a cliche to say this but I think it's kinda true: "Sequels are never as good as the original ones".

I'm not trying to put NWN II down, I'm just trying to start a conversation about which one will be better. Personally, I'll buy them both anyway but which game I'll play is still a mystery but now I think Dragon Age has caught my interest.

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Dragon Age won't support Online gaming, so NWN 2 is my definite long-term game, whereas Dragon Age will be a fun 40-hour singleplayer waste. Tada.

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Yes, it does so.

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Neither of these games even exist yet. We have a reasonable idea what the tools for NWN2 will be like, how can you know what the Dragon Age tools will be like? Bio wrote the toolset Obsidian is redoing, so why wouldn't they help if asked.

Did it occur to you that Bio and Obs know each other? Some of the folks at Obs were supposed to be in on the original NWN. Since Bio wants to do other things, what more obvious choice to get NWN2 than Obs.

As for Kotor as well, there is a great demand for sequels. Why wouldn't Bio hand it off to people they worked with before and a new company they want to see succeed?

I like how your bashing Obs, when they have only 1 (Xbox) game to their credit, which is receiving decent reviews. Honestly as far as single player goes, it won't be hard to top NWN1. Forgotten Realms has been done over and over in CRPGs, yet I don't hear people complaining about BG2.

I believe Obs. can do some good things with NWN2. And my guess is that it will be better than NWN1. Dragon Age is much more of an unknown, but it's freedom from Wizards of the Coast and all the rules of d20/D&D is very appealing to me.

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I believe Obs. can do some good things with NWN2.


So do I.

I like how your bashing Obs, when they have only 1 (Xbox) game to their credit, which is receiving decent reviews.


Don't you think that's ironic what you just said? :geek:

Besides, if you would have read my post... or maybe you did but you didn't understand it. No matter, I'll help you out!

I'm not trying to put NWN II down, I'm just trying to start a conversation about which one will be better


That is what I said. Please read the whole text before making silly posts. Thanks! :)

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I'm very drawn to Dragon Age because it offers full party control in the same way BG and IWD did.

NwNII has a lot riding on how good it's henchmen AI is.

Dragon Age is also being written specifically for a computer to take advantage of what it is best at. Which means no one can whine about it.

NwN II will have to be really special to avoid that been there done that feeling. Especially when measured up against the next gen consoles.

As for better, who knows. Some people are totally fixated on D&D others loathe it. I doubt either game will change anyones mind.

As a single player game though. I have to give DA the edge based on the BG games vs the AI henchmen in NwN.

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"I'm not trying to put NWN II down, I'm just trying to start a conversation about which one will be better"

That is what I said. Please read the whole text before making silly posts. Thanks!  :geek:

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ok smartypants, the fact that you had to say "I'm not trying to put NWN II down" and that you're accussing me of not reading your post means you're being rather confrontational. You wanted a discussion (but I'm ready to believe your trolling) so I'm giving you one. We argee on some issues, but I don't get your Bio>Obs. talk.

Actual discussions involve a "trading" of thoughts, not just a shout in an ulgy color and dissapearing afterwards. If you have specific points as to why my post is silly then make them.

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I'm very drawn to Dragon Age because it offers full party control in the same way BG and IWD did.


Yeah, that's quite cool.

Though, I'm more interested in multi-player than single-player.

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I like how your bashing Obs, when they have only 1 (Xbox) game to their credit, which is receiving decent reviews.

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You seem to forget here that Obsidian under the name of Obsidian may have only published one game on Xbox or whatever, but they are basically the guys from Black Isle, who made Planeshift:Torment and had their hands in the creation of the IWD and BG series (though I do not know exactly to what extent).

They founded Obsidian as a new studio since Black Isle belonged to Interplay and they shut it down some time ago.

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Though, I'm more interested in multi-player than single-player.

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Thats fine, people are going to play for different reasons. We can know a lot about NwN II just from knowing about the D&D rules but that dosnt apply to Dragon Age. Dragon Age does plan to have two modules one written specifically for single player and one for multiplayer.Which seems like a very good idea given how different the two experiences are.

One thing we do sort of know about Dragon Age is it currently has a mana based magic system rather than the D&D slot thing.

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I wonder why this discussion is in this subforum and not in the general "roleplaying", or what it's called.

Obviously, everyone that is present here, are waiting for NWN2, and will most probably play it.

People who are present on BioWare's forum and talk about Dragonage are most probably those interested in that game, and will most probably buy it.

If there are people who are present on both forums, they are probably interested in both, or/and trying to follow development of both products to see which one will be best suited to what they want. Or maybe even aquire both.

So obviously, I don't really see the reason behind this discussion. At least not on this subforum.

But that just my opinion *shrug*

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At first I thought that Dragon Age was gonna be the better game, however now I'm not so sure. The more I think about it the more I think that they're not gonna be able to come up with a ruleset to top DnD's. The unpolished feel of NWN has somewhat shaken my faith in Bioware too.

There is always the possibility that a new setting just won't take off. While they have a singleplayer and multiplayer campaign, the multiplayer campaign is apparently just an adapted version of the SP campaign. They're not supporting PW's either, which I don't approve of at all.

But hey, we know little about either game and only time will tell.

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So obviously, I don't really see the reason behind this discussion. At least not on this subforum.

But that just my opinion *shrug*


>_<

Then don't take a part, it's that simple.

The more I think about it the more I think that they're not gonna be able to come up with a ruleset to top DnD's


I have started to think that too... if Dragon Age is anothet World of WarCraft then.. ngggh.

They're not supporting PW's either, which I don't approve of at all.


Ah, I waesn't aware of that. Whoa... that is so lame. PWs are much better than the actual game imo.

But hey, we know little about either game and only time will tell.


True. True. Nothing is certain yet.

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So obviously, I don't really see the reason behind this discussion. At least not on this subforum.

But that just my opinion *shrug*


:p

Then don't take a part, it's that simple.


I don't really understand your answer. Since that is the opion I have, I have the right to take a part of this thread.

You either agree or disagree with me. It's simple.

You might even think I'm stupid. You have the right to that opinion.

But don't tell me to shut up. >_<

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Lots of misconceptions here.

DA has MP. DA also has a toolset. However, DA is more focused on the SP that either NWN1 or NWN2 will be. DA will support PWs as much as NWN1 did or NWN2 will most likely.

I'm looking forward to NWN2 because I love D&D, and I'm sure it'll be a pretty good game and since Obsdiian is focusing more on the OC than BIO did for NWN1; I believe the OC should be better than last time.

DA will also be cool. The rules system will probably make or break it though. Since we know very little about it though at the moment it's hard to judge the game.

NWN2 is a must buy. Knowing BIo; I'm sure DA is also a must buy.



"mana based magic system"

*PUKE* Absolutely disgusting.

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I don't really understand your answer. Since that is the opion I have, I have the right to take a part of this thread.

You either agree or disagree with me. It's simple.

You might even think I'm stupid. You have the right to that opinion.

But don't tell me to shut up.


I'm not saying you can't post but most threads, like this, are for those who are actually interested to share their views and want to debate and discuss. I waesn't looking for "This topic has no purpose" comments.

If you still don't know what I'm trying to say then maybe forums aren't meant for you. >_<

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NWN2 is a must buy. Knowing BIo; I'm sure DA is also a must buy.



"mana based magic system"

*PUKE* Absolutely disgusting.

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Got you back for the AI henchmen in JE thing >_<

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I'm not saying you can't post but most threads, like this, are for those who are actually interested to share their views and want to debate and discuss. I waesn't looking for "This topic has no purpose" comments.

If you still don't know what I'm trying to say then maybe forums aren't meant for you. >_<

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I would agree with Memengwa, everyone has the right for opinion, and her point was that people who are waiting for NWN2 will buy NWN2, people who want DA will buy DA, and people who want both will buy both, not "tis topic has no purpose".

And I would agree that this topic is in the wrong subforum (EDIT: while I was typing it the topic got moved :p).

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Volourn's got it pretty much right, although I don't agree that a mana system is necessarily bad (it'd have to be less regenerating that KotOR though, to avoid making spells spammy). DA has multiplayer, similar to what NWN had.

I'm looking forward to DA more, since I want to see what Bio can do when they're not restricted by a license and can design rules for a CRPG rather than adapting PnP rules. Whilst it's a very different game, I think Jade Empire will be a good way of seeing whether they can handle these things well.

I'll almost certainly be buying both (assuming no screw ups), but since NWN2 looks to be the same as NWN but with a new (and presumably better) story and prettier graphics, it doesn't excite me in quite the same way.

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I'm not saying you can't post but most threads, like this, are for those who are actually interested to share their views and want to debate and discuss. I waesn't looking for "This topic has no purpose" comments.

If you still don't know what I'm trying to say then maybe forums aren't meant for you. :thumbsup:

I wouldn't recommend telling people what's good for them and what's not. That kind of attitude is bound to draw flak, even more considering you have a Halo sig. :p

As for NWN2 vs DA, I will probably rent both of them first, then see if they are different enough from each other and previous CRPGs to buy any of them. I'm not too impressed with NWN2 since I found the original rather boring, but maybe DA will actually have something new to add to the genre.

And yes, I agree with Volourn. Mana-based magic system sucks. It reminds me of Diablo. *cringe*




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