After traveling to Onderon Satal Keto and his cousin, Aleema, formed the Krath, a secret society of social elites who dabbled with the Dark side and Sith magic. This society may have sprung up once again on Onderon in TSL. Do you think the Krath are behind the current unrest on Onderon? Also do you think the Krath could be part of a larger plot to resurrect Freedon Nadd?

Edit: If you didn't already know the Krath were fromed just before the Sith War. At the pinnacle of the Krath's power they had control of the Empress Teta system and had allied themselves with Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma. Satal Keto was killed by Ulic Qel-Droma when Ulic was overcome by a Dark rage. Satal's death finalized Ulic's fall to the Dark side. Aleema was killed towards the end of the war when she, at the cost of her own life, detonated the supergiant stars within the Cron cluster, sending a deadly shockwave of destruction toward Ossus, the Jedi stronghold world.

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Interesting.

Or what if the Krath have been alive all this time and regained power when Revan & Malak restarted the Sith cult?

After all, you don't think the academy on Korriban just MATERIALIZED there after the Mandalorian Wars do you?

*Very* interesting. You might just have unraveled the identity of those guys with the shoulder robes on the screenshots.

hmm im not really clued up on sw history but it seems very plausable

I dont think kotor will be mixed up with the EU like that. Even though kotor is EU, it is computer EU. Its fine to talk about what happened, like they talked about Kun in K1. But NO MIXING

Cool idea!

If remants of the Krath are in still working on Onderon they probably will be the ones causing unrest there. Since you visit the Dxun moon as well(Isn't that were the Tomb of Freedon Nadd is?) maybe there'll be some residual dark side energy emanating from there.

I don't think the Krath themselves would be powerful enough to become Sith Lords though. They didn't have access to all the Sith teachings and I doubt Exar Kun or Ulic Qel-Droma eagerly revealed Sith secrets to that power hungry group.

I agree with you. Even though the theory is a good one, I also feel that there will be no mixing. But if they do put the Krath in, there will be no one that is in the EU books etc. They might serve a role similare to the ones of the Mandalorians in KOTOR.

Hmmmm....

Okay.

If they want to mix it, they have to go to the retirement home and get Lucas to sign it.

It would be interesting and add a bit more depth, but it may be unlikely.

I don't think they will bring back characters from the old Krath in TSL. Mainly because most of them died in the war. What I am thinking is the survivors and the descendants of the old Krath have remained in the shadows on Onderon, slowly regaining their former strength and waiting until the time was right to exact their revenge. Revan and Malak's war would have presented the right opportunity to strike since the Republic would be too busy to respond to what seems like a small rebellion on Onderon. Freedon Nadd is the one who passed the ancient Sith teachings on to the Krath. He taught them how to use the Dark side and taught them Sith magic. Hence he is kind of like the Krath's unofficial leader since Satal Keto and Aleema are both dead. Therefore they could be trying to reclaim their former glory by retaking the Empress Teta system and resurrecting Freedon Nadd so he may once again share the secrets of the Dark side with the Krath. The Krath would then be poised to once again full fill their dreams of destroying the Republic.

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That sounds not entirely impossible. It would definately suit the darker feel of TSL.

Just think of it, if your PC is a Sith you will be able to return the Krath to their former glory. Not only will the Krath retake the Empress Teta system but they may prove themselves useful as an ally later on in the game. As far as Freedon Nadd goes the Krath will probably either resurrect his spirit or give you his belongings from his tomb. If your PC is a Jedi you will be able to stomp out the Krath once and for all and make sure Freedon Nadd stays destroyed. Plus the Queen of Onderon and her people who are now free to fight the Sith may prove to be an ally to you and the Republic later on in the game. I wonder if we will encounter any Beast Rider Warriors on Onderon. That would be pretty cool since they are the ones who helped Ulic Qel-Droma topple Freedon Nadd's descendent Queen Amanoa. Has anybody seen any screens of Onderon or Dxun? Queen Amanoa wasn't Freedon Nadd's only descendent on Onderon King Ommin was one as well. Could the Nadd bloodline have continued all these years and still be on Onderon or Dxun?

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Evil cults and ancient heritages of dark side power in an underground society. I like it.

It seems that the first game had a lot of history behind Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma. I wonder if KotOR2 will follow up on these characters. However, I feel Obsidian is trying to create their own story. Nonetheless a viable theory.

I think Freedon Nadd was utterly destoyed by Exar Kun. Exar Kun got tired of Nadd's spirit whispering and taunting into his ear and destroyed his spirit with the power of a Sith amulet he found on Yavin 4.

The Krath were not in K1 were they?!!? I don't know who those r. lol.

I guess I'll wait and see(if this is true anyway)...

There were Krath artifacts in KOTOR1. There were no overtly Krath members, though I wonder if they had a hand in Revan & Malak's rise.........

Hmm, I don't know if I like the idea or notm althrough I don't know the story you mention.. but I wonder if it'd really go? Hasn't the idea of "dark side users want to resurrect a Sith Lord" already been used in JA?

Not that it'd dislike seeing it; it'd be cool if there were other evils than the Sith only popping up here and there who wants to gain power or just cause trouble now that neither the Republic nor the Jedi are there to stop them (and the sith probably wouldn't care unless one of the groups became a serious threat). And it'd be cool to resurrect this Freedon Nadd if it's indeed possible to do so. But I wonder how usuable the idea is...

and just saying we could resurrect him what would his purpose be? DS = ALLY, LS = ENEMY, DS AND LS = ENEMY, vice versa? wouldnt lucas arts be all over it? (i dont know much about the eu so im just wondering)

Gee, I dunno, really. If he were an ally, he could give you soem advice and/or teach you soem new things. And as he becoems the Shadow Ruler of Onderon, you'll also have his support from there. Or if only his ghost form can be brought back, you might hear him prophetsy of your destiny or something like that, as he did first time he appeared. If he's an enemy and you're a darksider, through, you could absorb some of his power/knowledge by defeating him and thus gain a few more new abilities. As if for if you're light side.. I'm not sure...

That's what Exar Kun believed, but maybe his spirit was just disipated, or imprisoned somewhere?

It seems to be a very intriguing idea, krath on onderon. Hmmmm, that would be nice to see. Why don't u want to see EU in KOTOR 2? EU is just as much a part of the SW universe as KOTOR. Note that not all books, comics and fan fiction are considered EU, it has to be approved by Lucas Film or somebody up there before it can become apart of EU cannon. I don't think I'd want to see the resurection of freedon nad though, like someone else said, it'd be too remincent of Jedi Academy. But just the krath being there is an intriguing idea.

The latest Game Spot preview combined with the screenshots does give the idea that one of the groups on Onderon is an evil academy of some sort.



so obviously both areas that they are talking about are on Onderon



Armored Sith and plenty of Troops: On the trailer and the screenshots there are Dark Jedi (the ninja looking type), shoulder-robe-and-gloves-people, Sith troopers, and Lightsaber wielding Sith all attacking the main character on that area which I presume is the 'less friendly space' that they are referring to. We know who the Dark Jedi and the Sith are; but that there is another group wearing a uniform, accompanying them suggest to me that the Sith could be supporting an evil order on Onderon. They are using ordinary swords, though. The last bit on the trailer where the DS female player force chokes also features a shoulder-robe-gloves-guy as the victim -- but his head is covered again in ninja-fashion.



I though the 'first encounter' was elsewhere; but anyway this implies that there is an underground stretch in Onderon where we get to meet Sion. I presume he leads the Sith, and the shoulder-robe-people up in the 'less friendly area' of the planet.

Aren't the Krath supposed to be lightsaber users? Then those shoulder-robe-guys we see on the trailer and the screenshots aren't Krath. Nevertheless there seem to be some hints, that those guys are part of an evil institution on Onderon. The gloves could be hinting at their noble descent.

Another thing that this suggests is that after all, the Sith Lords might have partitioned Malak's army among themselves ---hence the Sith-trooper-types still running around.

"Ressurecting" a Sith Lord was done in Jedi Academy and was a poor plotline. Obsidian should NOT repeat that mistake or it will stain the KOTOR name horribly.

Maybe there was something in Freedon Nadd's tomb that Exar Kun didn't pilfer though......

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IMHO if the Krath are included in the Onderon/Dxun section of the game they won't be the focus point of the entire story. They will either be crushed by your light side PC or brought back to their former glory by your Dark side PC. This way the Krath could serve as a useful ally to your Dark side PC later on in the game and if you're light side then the people of Onderon who are now free to fight the Sith elsewhere could prove to be an ally to both you and the Republic. As far as Freedon Nadd goes I think resurrecting his spirit would be cool, however resurrecting him fully would be lame indeed. If you resurrect his spirit he can serve a duel role as your Dark side PC's mentor while on Dxun and the shadow ruler of the Krath and the Empress Teta system later in the game. If Freedon Nadd was fully resurrected he would just try and kill you and become the Sith Lord himself. My Onderon/Dxun idea isn't ment to be the focus point of the entire TSL story. I'm sure I am way off but I wouldn't be suprised if we see some Beast Rider Warriors or some mention of the Krath on Onderon and Dxun. Personally I just hope we DS players get to loot Freedon Nadd's lightsaber and other goodies. Somebody above was talking about Freedon Nadd being destroyed by Exar Kun. While this is mostly true Freedon Nadd was able to manifest himself before Ulic Qel Droma right after he was supossedly destroyed and warn him about Exar Kun. Nadd's spirit disapeared after warning Ulic but it was never certain whether or not he was totally destroyed. Anybody know if they will have Sith amulets in the game?
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Couldn't the organization itself have helped Revan & Malak on Korriban?