onderon, Vaklu/Talia Options

[Jeraldo27]

it's like my 5th playthrough already but always this onderon thing drives me cyco. Onderon is a "sweet" f ing planet but this feud. who is truley better vaklu is a better ruler but talia is so hot and the rightfull ruler. she looks like a isrealite. i'm a dark side playa but i hate killing talia. who is truley better

[darth spock]

Talia is definatly better because...
A) She is the rightful ruler.
B) She has ruled with wisdom and isn't one of those cliched-tyrant people who are always the villans.
C) She has an understanding of peace and sees the future instead of the now, which is that Onderon being part of the Republic is good for the planet's future, not its now. She was obviously not thrown out or killed earlier so this must mean she has some good points to her being in rule over Iziz and Onderon.
D) Valku is a rebellious man. He helped lead a rebellion when the planet/city of Iziz was under Mandalorian rule and he is held up for this. Except that people forget that the Mandalorian Wars were pretty brutal (planets falling to Mandalorians, like Onderon did) and, like in most battles throughout the history of the world, streets were more that bloodied a bit to reclaim the land. This means that he's not afraid of bloodshed to get what he wants, and his followers will go with him through anything because he was right with the Mandalorians during their war so they believe and support him now, believing that he is right, although he fits the steriotypical "evil tyrant" persona: too much ambition, a rebellious history, a man with too many connections and credits, a desire for power cloaked with the reasons of "saving Onderon from the Republic". I'm guessing he started the space battle to kill the Exhile and to cause a stir among Talia's Loyalists and the citizens to question their stance since the Republic started firing upon warships from Onderon in space that were orbiting the planet.
E) Talia is much prettier and has a better assistant. I mean, come on, at least Kavar can do magic tricks if you get bored. What can Tobin possibly do to keep you entertained? ^_^
F) Talia actually has expirence at ruling a country, and Vaklu has the expirence of commanding an army. Both of them has something the other wants/needs. But Talia knows the pressures, difficulties, and demands of ruling over a country. I'm guessing Vaklu is totally clueless and thinks he'll be sitting on his butt drinking Juma and counting his credits while his next stim shipment comes in for his soldiers.

Anyways, just my thoughts and two-sense (or it two cents? never figured that out...)

[kalimeeri]

it's like my 5th playthrough already but always this onderon thing drives me cyco.  Onderon is a "sweet" f ing planet but this feud.  who is truley better vaklu is a better ruler but talia is so hot and the rightfull ruler.  she looks like a isrealite.  i'm a dark side playa but i hate killing talia. who is truley better

It depends on how you look at it.


Vaklu allies himself with the Sith to get power and control. Under his reign (you're told at the end of the game) Onderon retains its customs and individuality because it never became part of the Republic. A lot of Onderonians were afraid of losing that. He is a stronger ruler.

Talia's going to have a tough time, but she makes it. Under her rule, Onderon joins the Republic and eventually loses the individuality and customs that made them special. But they gain in trade and defense.


Both their hearts were in the right place; they just had a different approach.
But Talia tends to annoy me a little. I think it's her attitude more than anything.

[Jeremiah]

Talia's accent is pretty wierd when all the other Onderonians didn't sport anything that "exotic". Tends to grate on my nerves but I have a real grudge against a guy who wants to have the Ebon Hawk shot on sight upon entering the system. So I would throw my lot in with the queen if only to whip Vaklu's butt.

[witchzenka]

It bothers me that Vaklu would choose to lie and break laws to achieve his aims, not to mention the whole allying with the sith business. I don't think he's a good ruler, I think he's power-hungry and an egomaniac.

[darth spock]

I think he's power-hungry and an egomaniac.

Damn, I forgot that!!

[kitty_with_a_lig...]

All rebellion's technically started with lie's and breaking laws.....without such rebellion's some countries wouldnt be what they are. Sometimes you have to get your hands a little dirty to do the right thing...Vaklu say's right off he didnt know it was the sith at the start(well..tobin says...but same difference)

[jedipodo]

it's like my 5th playthrough already but always this onderon thing drives me cyco.  Onderon is a "sweet" f ing planet but this feud.  who is truley better vaklu is a better ruler but talia is so hot and the rightfull ruler.  she looks like a isrealite.  i'm a dark side playa but i hate killing talia. who is truley better

It depends on how you look at it.


Vaklu allies himself with the Sith to get power and control. Under his reign (you're told at the end of the game) Onderon retains its customs and individuality because it never became part of the Republic. A lot of Onderonians were afraid of losing that. He is a stronger ruler.

Talia's going to have a tough time, but she makes it. Under her rule, Onderon joins the Republic and eventually loses the individuality and customs that made them special. But they gain in trade and defense.

Why do you think that joining a Sith Empire retains individuality?

[jedipodo]

All rebellion's technically started with lie's and breaking laws.....without such rebellion's some countries wouldnt be what they are. Sometimes you have to get your hands a little dirty to do the right thing...Vaklu say's right off he didnt know it was the sith at the start(well..tobin says...but same difference)

Vaklu's rebellion is a putsch and not a liberation movement. The Sith help him to achieve his aims because their enemy can be weakened by this.

[dufflover]

Talia does seem more like the LS choice and Valku the DS choice because it involves rebellion and stuff, and he's got the whole power hungry thing.

It is your DS game so go DS...

[Vashanti]

I've played it as helping both sides. Usually I help Vaklu if I'm playing a Darksider (and get those great "bump off this and that Captain" evil quests).

As a Lightsider I usually help Talia.

Simply put, Onderon is described as one of those worlds in turmoil upon which the future of the Republic depends. Talia is in favor of staying with the Republic, so if you side with her, you help the Republic.

Vaklu is power-hungry but will turn against the Sith with whom he had aligned himself (like an idiot) if you help him. This leads ultimately, I presume, to Onderon leaving the Republic.

So, are you a patriot? Do you want the Republic to flourish, or flounder?

And I love Talia's accent. The more exotic the better on the ladies, imho.

[Darth Kavar]

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As a Lightsider I usually help Talia. 

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Usually?? I thought that if you side with Vaklu then you won't be able to finish the game LS anymore cuz you have to kill Kavar then.

[Dragonforce]

i didn't like either to be honest, both came off as a bit up themselves, and i was annoyed by talias indian/pakistani accent which seemed a bit random and sounded stupid

i helped talia since i don't usually tend to side with people who try to kill me

[jim[beam]]

When u side with Vaklu u side with the DS and will have to kill Kavar at the end of the planet.

I made this mistake once, I had LS mastery but then killed all the captains on Onderon...oh well..next time I 'll be more careful.

-jim

[kalimeeri]

Why do you think that joining a Sith Empire retains individuality?

That's just what is said. I never bothered to worry about it.

IMO any ruler who believes his planet can be an island with no political affiliations (vaklu vs. the Republic) is just deluding himself. His choice to bring in the Sith to take control is a big gamble that he won't end up being their puppet, because Onderon has tactical significance.

But if I were an Onderonian under Talia, I'd move to Dxun. Oy. She annoys me.