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[Aurora]

Well, I just finished the game for the first time, and the cut sound file thread intrigued me, so I dug through dialog.tlk. There's a scene with Atton being tortured by Sion, followed by him confessing his love to the female PC while he's dying, the PC talking to Handmaiden about how he has to go, but she needs to stay behind and train the Jedi, and some stuff where Kreia fights (and apparently easily kills) your party members who have come to challenge her (including Handmaiden and Atton). I am depressed that this was cut out - I suppose it's because they wanted to leave the game more open-ended, and that it'd be worse if the party members are actually all killed off, but at least there's some *closure.* I was utterly depressed that none of my party members even talked to me about the coming battle as I left to fight Kreia!

The sound files are there for Atton, at least. I'll try to find if others exist, and if there's more to put the situations in context (not that all of the stuff that happens in the endgame anyway has context).

Some of this stuff might actually be in the game, but I've never heard anyone mention it.

The stuff is all blocked-together, sorry, but it has descriptions about the action, so:


Atton torture/death/love:
?{[At the end, Sion cuts off his arm, then leaves Atton on the ground, writhing in pain but Atton staggers to his feet, still wounded. Sion stops, turns.]}{Weakly, just had hand cut off}Running away? I'm not done with you yet. Nor I you. {Levitates Atton}I will remake you. So when I look upon you it shall be like a mirror. Then I shall let you die.There's... nothing worse you can do to me.Take your time.{[Cut to a scene of Sion's face, smiling.]}{[Sion advances through the halls. Atton comes to face him, looking a little sheepish. Darth Sion draws his blade against Atton.] }And I get the fool.Funny - that's just what I was thinking.{[Gameplay Programmer: Sion levitates Atton into the air, holding him in place.]}{[As the player walks off the Core, Atton is leaning against a pillar, off to the side.]}{Trying to be casual, but wants to go with the player}Need any company? {Beat, casual}I mean, I'm not doing anything. Besides, if I'm not around to bail you out of trouble, who knows what could happen. All right, then. {Beat}Where are we going again? I mean, because last time, we were heading toward this mining colony on the edge of space, and there was this Sith Lord, and...{[Gameplay Programmer: Player walks down the path, sees Atton's crumpled body. Player kneels, Atton's choked voice, dying. Atton's words slur a bit in places because of the pain, and his voice should get weaker all the way until the end.]}You're... alive. Did... I... save you yet?Your eyes... {sees player's horrified expression}that bad, eh? {Turns away, quiet}Always was ugly.... now the outside matches. Was waiting for this, but...S' not fair... let you down... {winces, in pain}was s'posed to save you. S' tired of living anyway... too many deaths... {winces, a little quieter}never told you... lied to you...{Dry chuckle}{Laugh dies, Pained, humiliated, doesn't want the player to see him dying}I don't want you to see me like this. I don't want to die in front of you. Can't bear it.Loved you from the moment I first saw you, thought you were a dream......meant every word... tried to play it off as a joke... wasn't funny...{Dry chuckle}Hurts when I laugh. Hurts...You... saved me... joke's on me...{Dry chuckle, winces}Hurts when I laugh. Hurts...{[Gameplay Programmer: Atton doesn't turn as he says the above sentence.]}{[Slow fade of the sound below as the camera pulls back. Adam, this animation request has been fired off to the animators.]}Atton, hold on, I can still help you.Shhh... you've lost a lot of blood.Yes. Be still.Malachor touched all of us. We all died there, and the echo kept traveling. It just took a while to reach us. I think we all saved each other.... Visas, the Handmaiden, Kreia. And you, Atton.I think we were all supposed to save each other.... Visas, the Handmaiden, Kreia. And you, Atton.You did, Atton. You fought bravely, and I could not ask for a greater sacrifice.All that was your past is forgiven, Atton. Be still. You never needed to tell me, Atton. I knew.If you're trying to get rid of me, it's not working.There is no death, Atton. There is only the Force.No. I will stay with you until the end comes.


Handmaiden/Visas:
You are leaving? I... I would come with you, if you will allow it.You're leaving. I... I would come with you, if you allow it.Others? What do you mean?Others?I... shall do as you ask. I shall train others who will follow.{Quietly, knows the answer is never}When will you return?I will do as you ask. If it is important to you, I shall see it through.Your journey... will you return?Where I go, I cannot take anyone I care for. You must remain, for others will come.No, I require you to stay here, at the Trayus Core, and train others, as Kreia trained me.You... cannot come with me. I need someone to stay here at the edge of known space, and show others the way. I need someone to show them the way. As Kreia showed me the way.Kreia spoke of Revan, and another war that waits beyond the Outer Rim. You must gather forces here, and wait.Yes, others will come. And you must train them until they are ready to pass on to the next war. {[Gameplay Programmer: Player walks off, in silence, and keeps walking toward the Trayus Core, and is gone. The Handmaiden watches the player for a time, without saying anything.]}{[Gameplay Programmer: Player walks off, in silence, and keeps walking toward the Trayus Core, and is gone. Visas Marr watches the player for a time, without saying anything.]}


Challenging Kreia:
She is not alone. We stand with her.And now I come in, saying something suitably heroic.{Mild contempt, doesn't even bother getting up}Children with lightsabers... {smiles contemptuously, beat}but not Jedi, I think.{[Gameplay Programmer: Kreia gets up.]}Come close, let me look upon you and see what the exile's teaching has forged. {[Gameplay Programmer: Looks across the "heroes," camera pans across them]}An assassin...A slayer of her own kin...A blinded slave......and a fool.{[Gameplay Programmer: Looks across the "heroes," camera pans across them]}An assassin, a slayer of her own kin, a blinded slave... and a fool.Which of you wishes to try yourself against me? As you can see, I am unarmed.{Goading at the end, knows the last sentence will bait the Diciple to attack}You, perhaps? Come, boy, face me now - do not make this one of the many battles you have run from. {[Gameplay Programmer: Disciple attacks, Kreia barely moves, deftly avoiding every blow, then gets bored, and grabs the Handmaiden by the throat, or in a Force Crush.]}Think. Think before you throw away your life for her. Think of everything you will lose by dying. A love, requited. A hope of another life, beyond the shadow of the Jedi. {Beat before last sentence}Think before you give it up so quickly.{[Gameplay Programmer: Kreia turns to Visas.]}{Sneering}And you, blind one, you have hungered to strike me down ever since you felt the bond the exile and I share.Can you feel the Force running through me, even past the veil, past your bloodied eyes? You know you cannot win. The Force runs strong within you, Traya, but in the howling of a storm, it is difficult to hear the whisper of the blade. You have forever been the blind one. You were given a gift few are ever given, and you let your gift of sight warp you, tw-{"twist you," cut off by Kreia.}{[Calm, like a surgeon, Kreia does Force Crush, lifting Visas up.]}You think your existence under your Lord was torture, Miraluka? I will make you see.{[Pause as Visas lies, collapsed.]}{Turns to Mira}And you.You were stronger than I thought - to spare the beast that wished to kill you. I felt it, faintly, even here on Malachor. Come, huntress. You have tracked me so far and killed many beasts to be here.Come, huntress. You have tracked me so far. Cast away your past for this moment.And now... at last, the fool. You only delay the inevitable. You have been difficult to sense before... but not now. You can cloak your mind only for so long. It is only a matter of coaxing the right thought to the surface. Your desire to protect the Jedi... and the hope that will kill the guilt inside you.He will fall before me, you know. And when I am done with him, I will watch as he murders you with the Force. It is only a matter of coaxing the right thought to the surface. Your desire to protect the Jedi... and the hope that she truly cares about you...She will fall before me, you know. And when I am done with her, she will view you with all the contempt I do for a murderer such as you.And that is the last of them. Take them. They are strong in the Force... and they will have their uses. I will remain here and await the one who comes.{Goading at the end, knows the last sentence will bait the Handmaiden to attack}You, perhaps? Come, child, where you walk, it is not far from battle, slaughter, and the blood of your sisters.{[Gameplay Programmer: Handmaiden attacks, Kreia barely moves, deftly avoiding every blow, then gets bored, and grabs the Handmaiden by the throat, or in a Force Crush.]}Think. Think before you throw away your life for him. Think of everything you will lose by dying.Your lusts fulfilled. A love, requited. A hope of another life. {Beat before last sentence}Think before you give it up so quickly.We have a chance... we just have to figure out how to make use of it.Let us see what transpires... and plan our attack.{[Gameplay Programmer: Pauses, looks around, realizes that Atton is gone.]}{[Gameplay Programmer: Fight between Atton and Kreia, short, quick, brutal.]}

[Aurora]

More Kreia-group-battle stuff:

{With weapon at the ready}We've come a long way, Kreia... don't bother getting up.{Indulgent, doesn't move}Ah, the huntress. To come alone... you are braver than I thought.She is not alone. We stand with her.She is not alone. We stand with her.And with her, stand all the Jedi.{Strides in, behind other Jedi, lightsaber raised}And now I come in, saying something suitably heroic.{Mild contempt, doesn't even bother getting up}Children with lightsabers... {smiles contemptuously, beat}but not Jedi, I think.{[Gameplay Programmer: Kreia gets up.]}Come close, let me look upon you and see what the exile's teaching has forged. {[Gameplay Programmer: Looks across the "heroes," camera pans across them - just do a series of close ups if we have no animated camera]}An assassin, a slayer of her own kin, a blinded slave... and a fool.{Indulgent}Which of you wishes to try yourselves against me? As you can see, I am unarmed.You, perhaps? Come, child, where you walk, it is not far from battle, slaughter, and the blood of your sisters.{[Handmaiden attacks, Kreia barely moves, deftly avoiding every blow, then gets bored, and grabs the Handmaiden by the throat, or in a Force Crush.]}Think. Think before you throw away your life for him. Think of everything you will lose by dying.Your lusts unfulfilled. A dance, unfinished. A love, requited. Think before you give it up so quickly.Think. Think before you throw away your life for her. Think of everything you will lose by dying. Your lusts unfulfilled. A dance, unfinished. A love, requited. Think before you give it up so quickly.{[Gameplay Programmer: Kreia turns to Visas.]}And you, blind one, you have hungered to strike me down ever since you saw the bond the exile and I share.Can you feel the Force running through me, even past the veil, past your bloodied eyes? You know you cannot win. The Force runs strong within you, Traya, but in the howling of a storm, it is difficult to hear the whisper of the blade. You have forever been the blind one. You were given a gift few are ever given, and yet you let your gift of sight warp you, tw-{[Calm, like a surgeon, Kreia does Force Crush, lifting Visas up.]}You think your existence under your Lord was torture, Miraluka? I will make you see.{[Gameplay Programmer: DO NOT SCRIPT THIS. Kreia is sitting in the middle of the Trayus Core, meditating.]}{Quietly}I say we fire a rocket at her right now, and blow her screaming, burning body into the heart of this planet. It wouldn't work- if there were other distractions, maybe, if she wasn't telepathic, maybe. If you want to kill her like that, you need something else to occupy her attention, otherwise you might just wound her. And then we'd all be in trouble.This battle will not be decided by weapons. You are wrong. Manipulation is Kreia's strength, not battle. You are wrong. Manipulation is Kreia's strength, not battle.


Atton, warped to the darkside, attacks Disciple:
{[Disciple walks into the room, looking around. As he looks around, Atton steps from behind him, in a creepy, yet casual way.]}Hey, kid. {Initially relieved}Atton... the exile, where is she?{Shrugs, but evil}She's safe, you don't need to worry about her. You never did, really. You know how long it's been since I killed a Jedi? You get a taste for it, you know. I killed a bunch here on Malachor, while the planet was dying.Killing a half-Jedi like you should hold me over until the next one comes along. They always do, you know.{Firm}Atton, Kreia is using y- {"using you"}Really? I had no idea. Everyone uses each other, kid. And if she's using me to kill you, as I see it, I really don't lose anything.I already lost what mattered to me. I wanted to protect her, to help her, and then you show up, playing hero. Fine. {Firm}Atton, the feelings between the exile and I...Doesn't matter, not anymore. I had forgotten how much I hate Jedi. And the less of you that are in the galaxy, the better.Ready to die, kid? {Firm}I won't fight you, Atton.I don't care - I just want you to die.{[Atton draws his weapon at the end.]}{[Starts advancing toward Disciple]}{[Gets into ready stance.]}


Visas fighting Handmaidens:
{Gameplay: Cam 1, The player opens the cell door, and the camera cuts to him opening the door - the camera is on the inside of the cell, facing the player as it opens.}{Gameplay: Cam 2, Camera shows up behind the player's shoulder as the player looks around the room. The camera pans around the cell to show a corpse in the corner. [Make this an animated camera, if possible, and play some light side stinger.]}{The camera would need to swing in to the room and focus on the corpse. Need faint whispering in the background, not evil, but almost peaceful, calming.}{[Make this an animated camera, if possible, and play some light side stinger.]}[The corpse holds a powerful lightsaber crystal, made from the emanations of the dying Jedi.]{[Gameplay Programmer: Have a scene where Visas is walking amongst the corridors of the Academy.]}{She stops, waits for a moment, draws her blade, as the corrupted Handmaidens step from the shadows, like Darth Vader when Luke is going down beneath Bespin. She'll draw her blade.}A Sith stalking amongst the Sith. Your kind fear each other, betrayers and murderers, all.Sister of the Echani, you must listen to me. Kreia is using your feeling ag...Be silent. I have listened to you corrupt others... the exile... with your words. I have seen you erode his will, bit by bit, over our journey until he echoes your corruption. {Trying to be challenging, but pained}And because of you, I have lost one for whom I cared deeply.You must listen to me.No. There will be no more words between us{[The two draw weapons as the screen fades to black.]}

[Azure79]

Wow, although my eyes hurt from trying to read all that,(can you make it easier to read, like spacing the lines spoken?) it is very reminiscent of another game, which we all know well. (PST)

Especially your party members defending you and confronting the enemy to protect you. It was extremely emotional in PST and had it been included in TSL, it probably would have been awesome...in a sad emotional way.

Ah well~

[Aurora]

I'm kind've exhausted right now, I might go over it tomorrow and space out the lines - but I don't always know exactly where the line breaks should be and who's saying which line, so it's hard.

I don't know if this was actually cut from the game, but I played LS female and didn't come across him, so here's an encounter with Dustil Onasi:

{Dustil has been trapped here a while and he is stark, raving mad} Another vision! Don't think I can't see through this deception.The vision leaves, only to sneak up later when I am less aware. Better to silence it now.{screaming, louder at end}You won't have me! You won't have me!{mocking}Ah, the existential vision. What causes me? Why am I a vision? {serious}Deceptive vision. Dustil the Jedi is wise to your tricks.{mocking and ranting}"I am not a vision" says the vision. Ha! Well then, I am not Dustil Onasi, son of Carth, no. I am not a Jedi either.I am Jedi. So proud, so proud to be. I escaped the dark side only to return. Why did I return?Why? The other Jedi wanted to. They tricked me. Oh, they tricked me. I did not know then that they were all visions. Visions all.The vision speaks of my father, not knowing I killed him twenty two times, and he has killed me, but I did not die.He won't be coming back for me, not again. With his tricks. {shouting}His tricks! {tortured yell}Oh, father! {sobbing}Why did you leave?!Of course the vision knows my name. It probes my thoughts. But I am learning the tricks, I am. Soon I will block them out entirely.{ranting quiety to himself}Yes, questions. Visions always have questions for Dustil... before the killing starts. I won't answer! {yelling}Hear me apparition! I won't answer!I'll be going now.Do you know what causes the visions here?I am not a vision.You are a Jedi?Carth? You are Carth Onasi's son?You are Dustil?You killed those other Jedi!Who are you talking about?Who are you?DustilOnasiGeneral! Is the way clear?I have new orders for you. Charge![Lie] Yes, the path is clear. Go ahead, I'll cover you.Not yet.

[Hey Steve]

Wow. That's great stuff; especially the Atton v. Disciple & Handmaiden v. Visas stuff. That'd be great, would dovetail nicely with the romantic conflicts between those characters, and fit with Kreia as the "master manipulator/betrayer".

Just one or two of those above would've made the Malachor V ending sequence fantastic, rather than the boring incomplete bit it is now. Makes me even madder that they rushed the game. The game was great, but with some of this stuff it could've been fantastic (even if they didn't add to the actual ending at all)

[Jedi Master D Mu...]

Ugh, how very disappointed I am with TSL now. Just great

[Plooby]

Look, Mom! An ending... and a damn good one! (w00t)

Okay, OE devs... what happened?! That is fantastic stuff. Stuff that was written down and everything. Gosh darn it! Can you please tell us why ending was cut... and the scene with Dustil?

[Darth Jebus]

Dude. All I'm going to say is, I hope to God none of the above stuff is true, because if it is and was actually cut from the game, I am never going to buy another LA game again. I say LA because they take their orders from LucasFilm and they prolly thought all of the real emotional and darker content was not conducive to a Star Wars game.

I am totally speculating there.

But seriously. If just a fraction of what was mentioned above, actually made into the released version, the game would've not only been alot better for it, but it would've been far better than the first game.

I mean, all that stuff totally fills in the plot holes, explains the story much better and more importantly, fleshes out all the characters.

When I played through the game the first time it just felt so incomplete. And after successive playthroughs, it stills feels incomplete (except that I think playing the game DS is alot funner).

It was just hard for me to believe that the vets at OE who have made so many other RPGs could just drop the ball so dramatically. That's why I've always reserved more of my harsher criticisms for LA. Even though I don't have a clue as to what really happened.

Anyway, I've rambled long enough. But from viewing all the alleged cut out scenes, this game now SCREAMS for an expansion pack.

[Aurora]

I've searched and found sound files for all of those lines except for the Dustil thing (still may be there). They're very real.

I get the impression that they wanted to leave the game ending more open-ended, y'know, like a gaping wound. There was probably last-minute uncertainty about whether or not there'd be a sequel and so it might not be good to kill off half the main characters.

Still, good god, it would've been nice to have some closure.

[Mosaic]

Yes, It's a sad state of where they left it. I really love how they would have fleshed out the characters if they had put that storyline in and she is right, there are sound files that weren't in the game. I've heard them, they aren't that hard to find or play.

I suspect that LA wanted to rush the game out because of the christmas shopping season and forced Obsidian to release it. Because in the first kotor stuff like that happened and there was still a sequal (if you can call this a sequal). I just don't see any dev cutting THAT much from a game just so the ending can be more "Open ended"

[The Bardic Pen]

Dude.  All I'm going to say is, I hope to God none of the above stuff is true, because if it is and was actually cut from the game, I am never going to buy another LA game again.  I say LA because they take their orders from LucasFilm and they prolly thought all of the real emotional and darker content was not conducive to a Star Wars game.

Lucastarts gets their orders from Lucasfilms? WTF am I only learning this now? Why do people keep blaming Obsidian Ent for a game brought to us by the people who thought Jar Jar Binks was a good idea?

I knew this was a plot to make Revenge of the Sith look better!

I guess we'll have to wait for NWN 2 to see what OE can really do.

[Reveilled]

Dude.  All I'm going to say is, I hope to God none of the above stuff is true, because if it is and was actually cut from the game, I am never going to buy another LA game again.  I say LA because they take their orders from LucasFilm and they prolly thought all of the real emotional and darker content was not conducive to a Star Wars game.

Lucastarts gets their orders from Lucasfilms? WTF am I only learning this now? Why do people keep blaming Obsidian Ent for a game brought to us by the people who thought Jar Jar Binks was a good idea?

I knew this was a plot to make Revenge of the Sith look better!

I guess we'll have to wait for NWN 2 to see what OE can really do.

We keep blaming Obsidian because they haven't even shown up here to explain themselves, help people with problems, say sorry, or even to tell us the status on any upcoming patch. Even something so much as an acknowledgement of the problems would make us a little bit happier with Obsidian. But what have we recieved? Nada.

[Dirk Benedict]

Well, I'm not blaming Obsidian at all.... just the LA accountants.

[bodrock]

those all sounds really cool, and definitely would have added a lot.

this doesn't change my love for the game, though -- I was never one of those who hated the ending.

[Muad'Dib]

Oh good they had some stuff to make the endings more dramatic and they cut them out for open/endedness that's extremely depressing.

Yep endings ring more hollow to me now.