Parallels between The Odyssey and TSL, Knights of the Trojan War Options

[Darth Drabek]

So I'm reading Homer's The Odyssey for a Greek history class and I've noticed a few things. The Telemachy, the first part of the book bears a strong resemblance to some of KOTOR 2's storyline!

Some background...
Odysseus, a great warrior and master battle tactician, has just crushed the Trojans and is on his way home when his ship is lost... no one knows what has happened to one of the greatest heroes of the Achaian army. He is presumed dead.

Things are looking grim at the beginning of the epic poem. Odysseus's land is overrun with men who wish to marry his wife and claim his fortune. His son Telemachos, who has doubts about his heritage, is too weak to force these usurpers out.

Enter gray-eyed Athena, Goddess of Wisdom and a fearsome sight in battle too (as shown in the Illiad). Athena is renowned throughout Greek mythology for her cunning. Her skill at deception has turned the tide of many wars; she even fooled the Trojans greatest warrior, Hector, into believing that she would help him fight Achilles, Greece's greatest warrior - a deception that cost Hector his life.

Athena knows that Odysseus is still alive and wants him to return home to clear his land of the usurpers. Odysseus is shown throughout Greek literature to be her favorite mortal - she respects his sharp mind and tactical prowess. So she manipulates Telemachos into searching out some of Odysseus's wartime companions for clues to his whereabouts. She even insinuates that if he succeeds at this endeavor, he will be worthy of his father's great name, even if he is a bastard. So, Telemachos and Athena get a ship and crew and sail to find Nestor, Menelaus and any other notable Greek hero that might have news of Odysseus.

I believe Odysseus and Athena are very similar to Revan and Kreia. Given the shared characteristics and even the master/apprentice, mutual respect relationship between Kreia and Revan , I think it's even possible that some aspects of these characters might have been inspired by the epic poems of the Trojan Cycle.

Also, Athena's usage of Telemachos for her own purposes is akin to Kreia's behavior toward the exile in TSL. Their journey to find surviving Trojan war luminaries reminded me of the search for the Jedi Masters. Even the way Athena helps Telemachos gain power and skill by lending him her strength has a parallel with TSL (force bonds? gradually reconnecting to the force?).

Now if I haven't lost you yet, imagine this: a KOTOR 3 comparable to the rest of The Odyssey. I can't come up with much here....maybe we follow the struggles of Revan with the True Sith and eventually he meets up with the exile and they kick large quanitities of buttocks.

So what do you think? Does this make sense? Am I stretching in places? Are there other parallels you've seen?

I leave you with a stellar quote from Odysseus/Revan from the Illiad, after he impaled some poor Trojan on his spear:
"Death in its rampage outraced you - no escape. Now your father and noble mother will never close your eyes in death - screaming vultures will claw them out of you, wings beating your corpse! But I, if I should die, my comrades-in-arms shall bury me in style!"

[Laozi]

I'd always respected you pretty well until this

[jaguars4ever]

Yes, but that 'stellar quote' more than made up for it. :cool:

[Darth Drabek]

I guess my idle conjecture didn't hit the mark then? I suppose reading this stuff and playing the game at the same time I'm bound to mix and match ideas.

And to think, I really thought I had something here...sniff. No matter, I still dig mythology and I still think pulling parallels from out of left field is fascinating.

[jaguars4ever]

We forgive you Drabek. ^_^

[Masta Supafly]

Well, when you consider that the original trilogy followed the hero's quest archetype that's found all throughout the world's mythologies, it isn't too much of a stretch to think the devs picked out some ideas from a specific myth to incorporate into their story.
Just my 2 cents.

[Whitemithrandir]

TSL isn't a campbellan epic. Try to follow The Exile and look for campbellan traits and qualities will only lead you to even MORE confusion.

[ryan12177]

You'd have been better served comparing the similarities between KOTOR and the quest for the Holy Grail... (and no I don't think that works any better)

Cathar while a race in KOTOR were a group of heretic's who the early catholic church made it its duty to exterminate. Cathar are also said to be the last holders of the grail..

Sith Academy, an ancient castle of sorts carved into a mountain side, very similar to the castle that the SS soldiers were trained in. Part of their training was the grail mythology and I don't think I need to explain the uniforms.

So if you wanted to force it..... you can see the hunt for the StarForge aswan Indiana Jones like hunt for the holy grail and Revan as Hitler for turning reasonable men into an evil axis.

[Whitemithrandir]

:: juxtaposition between KOTOR and Indiana Jones and the Holy Grail

No, sorry, that really doens't work.

[ryan12177]

I believe that I said that it doesn't work, myself

[Reveilled]

Acually, it all works out if you compare TSL and the Holy Grail. See, The Exile is King Arthur, Kreia is that old man that guards the bridge, Thermal Detonators are Holy Hand Grenades of Antioch, Visas is Tim the Enchanter, and Darth Nihilus is the Death bunny. Disciple is Sir Lancelot, and Atton is Sir Robin. And Admiral Onasi is the Ruler of Swamp Castle, because Swamp Castle is Telos. Malachor V must be the Castle Aaagh, and Revan is the Holy Grail.
In fact, the Holy Grail had a rushed ending that made absolutely no sense whatsoever too!

It's true, the paralells between The Sith Lords and The Holy Grail are astounding.

"Dark Lord of the Sith? I didn't vote for you."

[Dirk Benedict]

Oh, you guys are cute.

Let's see if anyone can beat this

KOTOR = Macross

How so?

Roy = Revan
Rick/Hikaru = the Exile
Minmay = Bastila
Milia = Handmaiden
Max = Canderous
Protoculture = The Force

*Runs away before getting flamed*

[Whitemithrandir]

WTH is macross? Some homoerotic anime crap?

[Dirk Benedict]

Ahem, yes.

[Darth Drabek]

Acually, it all works out if you compare TSL and the Holy Grail.  See, The Exile is King Arthur, Kreia is that old man that guards the bridge, Thermal Detonators are Holy Hand Grenades of Antioch, Visas is Tim the Enchanter, and Darth Nihilus is the Death bunny.  Disciple is Sir Lancelot, and Atton is Sir Robin. And Admiral Onasi is the Ruler of Swamp Castle, because Swamp Castle is Telos.  Malachor V must be the Castle Aaagh, and Revan is the Holy Grail.
In fact, the Holy Grail had a rushed ending that made absolutely no sense whatsoever too!

It's true, the paralells between The Sith Lords and The Holy Grail are astounding.

"Dark Lord of the Sith?  I didn't vote for you."

Heh heh... I think Disciple might be closer to Sir Galahad's self-righteous, pious posturing. Nice point on the ending... ZING OF THE DAY!