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Shdy314
post Jun 16 2004, 07:38 PM
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QUOTE(Omedarcus @ Jun 16 2004, 05:19 PM)
I love the turning Yuthura back and seeing her on Dantooine thing. It would be cool if she shows up in the sequel, if she survived Dantooine.

This leads me to another question, will we be able to tell KotOR II every single thing we did in KotOR 1? for example, siding with yuthura, getting rid of the czerka on kashyyk, finding sunry innocent, destroying the kolto facility on manaan, etc, etc, etc

Id imagine we only tell it stuff that will affect the game somehow. Otherwise it'd just be superflous. So if the devs have plans to put Yuthura in somewhere(which I doubt) then wed be asked about it. If they didnt then we wouldn't. So to answer your question no we can't tell it everything.


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post Jun 16 2004, 07:46 PM
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I wonder how in-depth the questions actually get, though.

Will the questions just ask the big stuff, like a)Was Revan DS or LS b)Was Bastila killed or redeemed

Or will it get a bit more in depth, asking about each former party member, and various NPC's?


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post Jun 16 2004, 08:13 PM
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QUOTE(GhostofAnakin @ Jun 16 2004, 07:46 PM)
I wonder how in-depth the questions actually get, though.

Will the questions just ask the big stuff, like a)Was Revan DS or LS b)Was Bastila killed or redeemed

Or will it get a bit more in depth, asking about each former party member, and various NPC's?

Like I said. It depends on what the story calls for in KOTOR 2. I doubt they want to be so beholden to KOTOR 1 they ask about absolutely everything. Expect the questions to be general major plot points not minor stuff like did you turn yuthura ban and ajunta pall or redeem them. They arent going to try and put every possible outcome of KOTOR 1 into KOTOR 2. Way too much extra work for little to no reward.


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post Jun 16 2004, 08:24 PM
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I'd like to know atleast what happened to my party. Something like a log aboard the Ebon Hawk with video footage showing Mission and Zaalbar (if they lived) being dropped off somewhere, like Kasshyyk. Or Carth saying his goodbyes as he heads for Telos (or wherever it was that he was supposed to meet up with Dustil). Canderous and HK-47 leaving with Revan to the Unknown Regions. That kind of thing.

Unless, of course, Obsidian is leaving their whereabouts open for possibilities in the future (KOTOR3 perhaps?)


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post Jun 16 2004, 08:43 PM
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QUOTE(GhostofAnakin @ Jun 16 2004, 08:24 PM)
I'd like to know atleast what happened to my party. Something like a log aboard the Ebon Hawk with video footage showing Mission and Zaalbar (if they lived) being dropped off somewhere, like Kasshyyk. Or Carth saying his goodbyes as he heads for Telos (or wherever it was that he was supposed to meet up with Dustil). Canderous and HK-47 leaving with Revan to the Unknown Regions. That kind of thing.

Unless, of course, Obsidian is leaving their whereabouts open for possibilities in the future (KOTOR3 perhaps?)

Yeah itd be nice but KOTOR2 devs arent going to want to bog down their whole game creating eulogies for every character in KOTOR. You arent revan. You arent going to track down your old friends or something. This isnt KOTOR reunion. They will leave their whereabouts unknown so the PC can believe whatever they want to believe about them unless they decide to use any of them in a story in any sort of capacity. Like T3M4


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post Jun 17 2004, 02:54 PM
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QUOTE(Shdy314 @ Jun 16 2004, 08:43 PM)
QUOTE(GhostofAnakin @ Jun 16 2004, 08:24 PM)
I'd like to know atleast what happened to my party.  Something like a log aboard the Ebon Hawk with video footage showing Mission and Zaalbar (if they lived) being dropped off somewhere, like Kasshyyk.  Or Carth saying his goodbyes as he heads for Telos (or wherever it was that he was supposed to meet up with Dustil).  Canderous and HK-47 leaving with Revan to the Unknown Regions.  That kind of thing.

Unless, of course, Obsidian is leaving their whereabouts open for possibilities in the future (KOTOR3 perhaps?)

Yeah itd be nice but KOTOR2 devs arent going to want to bog down their whole game creating eulogies for every character in KOTOR. You arent revan. You arent going to track down your old friends or something. This isnt KOTOR reunion. They will leave their whereabouts unknown so the PC can believe whatever they want to believe about them unless they decide to use any of them in a story in any sort of capacity. Like T3M4

They don't need to go that deep really, an explanation on what happened to the Eban Hawk crew is enough to satisfy most of the KotOR 1-players.

I have to admit that the devs might have a hard time on what to do with Bastila, since she played such major part in KotOR.


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post Jun 17 2004, 03:11 PM
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In the xbox version of KOTOR if you trigger Juhani's side quest you won't be able to get the premium items from that dude in Korriban. The guy that sells the dominator guantlets. It's a pretty lame glitch.

As people said earlier just keep talking to everyone constantly to get their sidequests. Plus those people must be in your party inorder for certain sidequests to be triggered. For example, keep talking to Mission and eventually she will mention her brother and Lena. Have Mission in your party and Lena will eventually come up to you and the side quest will be triggered.

To turn Yuthura just keep talking to her while you are trying to gain prestige in the sith academy. Get to know her and become her friend. Then when the time comes where you have to choose to fight her or Uthar, side with Yuthura. Spare her and convince her to go to the light.

This all applies to the xbox version so im not sure how different things are with the pc version.
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post Jun 17 2004, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE(pharcyde @ Jun 17 2004, 03:11 PM)
To turn Yuthura just keep talking to her while you are trying to gain prestige in the sith academy. Get to know her and become her friend. Then when the time comes where you have to choose to fight her or Uthar, side with Yuthura. Spare her and convince her to go to the light.

This all applies to the xbox version so im not sure how different things are with the pc version.

Almost.

In the PC version you have to have a very high persuade skill in order for her calling you 'friend'. I think it 14 when i was playing male and 11 when playing female.


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post Jun 17 2004, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE(Meshugger @ Jun 17 2004, 03:17 PM)
QUOTE(pharcyde @ Jun 17 2004, 03:11 PM)
To turn Yuthura just keep talking to her while you are trying to gain prestige in the sith academy.  Get to know her and become her friend.  Then when the time comes where you have to choose to  fight her or Uthar, side with Yuthura.  Spare her and convince her to go to the light. 

This all applies to the xbox version so im not sure how different things are with the pc version.

Almost.

In the PC version you have to have a very high persuade skill in order for her calling you 'friend'. I think it 14 when i was playing male and 11 when playing female.

Doh! I left that out. You will have to pursuade her in the xbox version as well. My persuade is usually so high and always works I totally forgot that you need to have persuade.
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I never noticed a difference.

PC version = XBOX version (Gameplay wise)


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post Jun 17 2004, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE(Meshugger @ Jun 17 2004, 02:54 PM)
QUOTE(Shdy314 @ Jun 16 2004, 08:43 PM)
QUOTE(GhostofAnakin @ Jun 16 2004, 08:24 PM)
I'd like to know atleast what happened to my party.  Something like a log aboard the Ebon Hawk with video footage showing Mission and Zaalbar (if they lived) being dropped off somewhere, like Kasshyyk.  Or Carth saying his goodbyes as he heads for Telos (or wherever it was that he was supposed to meet up with Dustil).  Canderous and HK-47 leaving with Revan to the Unknown Regions.  That kind of thing.

Unless, of course, Obsidian is leaving their whereabouts open for possibilities in the future (KOTOR3 perhaps?)

Yeah itd be nice but KOTOR2 devs arent going to want to bog down their whole game creating eulogies for every character in KOTOR. You arent revan. You arent going to track down your old friends or something. This isnt KOTOR reunion. They will leave their whereabouts unknown so the PC can believe whatever they want to believe about them unless they decide to use any of them in a story in any sort of capacity. Like T3M4

They don't need to go that deep really, an explanation on what happened to the Eban Hawk crew is enough to satisfy most of the KotOR 1-players.

I have to admit that the devs might have a hard time on what to do with Bastila, since she played such major part in KotOR.

Thatd be horrible and they wont do it. Why would they bother trying to come up with a story on what happened to every possible member of the Ebon hawk crew unless it relates to their story? And if it relates to their story they'd leave it open so you'd discover as you played. And you never know. If there's a KOTOR 3 they might decide to use someone again. But thats more difficult if they've already created eulogies for the entire cast of KOTOR. They will simply leave anything from KOTOR not related to the story of KOTOR2 open to player's imaginations. You can imagine Mission is wandering the galaxy with Zaalbar or is hanging with him on Kashyyk running rwookworro(or whatever) If you never see/hear otherwise then every player can give them the ending they want to give them.


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post Jun 17 2004, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE(Shdy314 @ Jun 17 2004, 03:43 PM)
QUOTE(Meshugger @ Jun 17 2004, 02:54 PM)
QUOTE(Shdy314 @ Jun 16 2004, 08:43 PM)
QUOTE(GhostofAnakin @ Jun 16 2004, 08:24 PM)
I'd like to know atleast what happened to my party.  Something like a log aboard the Ebon Hawk with video footage showing Mission and Zaalbar (if they lived) being dropped off somewhere, like Kasshyyk.  Or Carth saying his goodbyes as he heads for Telos (or wherever it was that he was supposed to meet up with Dustil).  Canderous and HK-47 leaving with Revan to the Unknown Regions.  That kind of thing.

Unless, of course, Obsidian is leaving their whereabouts open for possibilities in the future (KOTOR3 perhaps?)

Yeah itd be nice but KOTOR2 devs arent going to want to bog down their whole game creating eulogies for every character in KOTOR. You arent revan. You arent going to track down your old friends or something. This isnt KOTOR reunion. They will leave their whereabouts unknown so the PC can believe whatever they want to believe about them unless they decide to use any of them in a story in any sort of capacity. Like T3M4

They don't need to go that deep really, an explanation on what happened to the Eban Hawk crew is enough to satisfy most of the KotOR 1-players.

I have to admit that the devs might have a hard time on what to do with Bastila, since she played such major part in KotOR.

Thatd be horrible and they wont do it. Why would they bother trying to come up with a story on what happened to every possible member of the Ebon hawk crew unless it relates to their story? And if it relates to their story they'd leave it open so you'd discover as you played. And you never know. If there's a KOTOR 3 they might decide to use someone again. But thats more difficult if they've already created eulogies for the entire cast of KOTOR. They will simply leave anything from KOTOR not related to the story of KOTOR2 open to player's imaginations. You can imagine Mission is wandering the galaxy with Zaalbar or is hanging with him on Kashyyk running rwookworro(or whatever) If you never see/hear otherwise then every player can give them the ending they want to give them.

Yes, you got a point there. Too bad i wasn't that attached to my characters though. But you also proved a very difficult point there too, what on earth are you going to do(as a dev) with the characters in order to satisfy as many as possible while keeping it consistent with the story?


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post Jun 17 2004, 04:16 PM
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QUOTE(Shdy314 @ Jun 17 2004, 03:43 PM)
Thatd be horrible and they wont do it. Why would they bother trying to come up with a story on what happened to every possible member of the Ebon hawk crew unless it relates to their story? And if it relates to their story they'd leave it open so you'd discover as you played. And you never know. If there's a KOTOR 3 they might decide to use someone again. But thats more difficult if they've already created eulogies for the entire cast of KOTOR. They will simply leave anything from KOTOR not related to the story of KOTOR2 open to player's imaginations. You can imagine Mission is wandering the galaxy with Zaalbar or is hanging with him on Kashyyk running rwookworro(or whatever) If you never see/hear otherwise then every player can give them the ending they want to give them.

I don't necessarily agree that it'd be that horrible to do. If they do it right, they can be vague enough so that it doesn't close the door for possible appearances in future games, while also satisfying gamers who are curious about what happened to their party from KOTOR1.

Also, like the characters or not, they're part of the timeline and therefore warrant mention, considering they accomplished something big. In KOTOR there were offhanded mention of characters such as Exar Kun, Nomi Sunrider, etc. without actually having to make them a big part of the story.

IMO, mentioning the whereabouts of the party members from KOTOR seems more logical for continuity issues. Especially considering you're using the Ebon Hawk again, plus T3. There's obviously links to the past, so an offhand mention of what happened to everyone shouldn't detract from Obsidian still being able to tell their own story.


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post Jun 17 2004, 04:20 PM
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Okae Ill do it for Obsidian. Everyone split up and went their separate ways. There problem solved.


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post Jun 17 2004, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE(Meshugger @ Jun 17 2004, 03:48 PM)
QUOTE(Shdy314 @ Jun 17 2004, 03:43 PM)
QUOTE(Meshugger @ Jun 17 2004, 02:54 PM)
QUOTE(Shdy314 @ Jun 16 2004, 08:43 PM)
QUOTE(GhostofAnakin @ Jun 16 2004, 08:24 PM)
I'd like to know atleast what happened to my party.  Something like a log aboard the Ebon Hawk with video footage showing Mission and Zaalbar (if they lived) being dropped off somewhere, like Kasshyyk.  Or Carth saying his goodbyes as he heads for Telos (or wherever it was that he was supposed to meet up with Dustil).  Canderous and HK-47 leaving with Revan to the Unknown Regions.  That kind of thing.

Unless, of course, Obsidian is leaving their whereabouts open for possibilities in the future (KOTOR3 perhaps?)

Yeah itd be nice but KOTOR2 devs arent going to want to bog down their whole game creating eulogies for every character in KOTOR. You arent revan. You arent going to track down your old friends or something. This isnt KOTOR reunion. They will leave their whereabouts unknown so the PC can believe whatever they want to believe about them unless they decide to use any of them in a story in any sort of capacity. Like T3M4

They don't need to go that deep really, an explanation on what happened to the Eban Hawk crew is enough to satisfy most of the KotOR 1-players.

I have to admit that the devs might have a hard time on what to do with Bastila, since she played such major part in KotOR.

Thatd be horrible and they wont do it. Why would they bother trying to come up with a story on what happened to every possible member of the Ebon hawk crew unless it relates to their story? And if it relates to their story they'd leave it open so you'd discover as you played. And you never know. If there's a KOTOR 3 they might decide to use someone again. But thats more difficult if they've already created eulogies for the entire cast of KOTOR. They will simply leave anything from KOTOR not related to the story of KOTOR2 open to player's imaginations. You can imagine Mission is wandering the galaxy with Zaalbar or is hanging with him on Kashyyk running rwookworro(or whatever) If you never see/hear otherwise then every player can give them the ending they want to give them.

Yes, you got a point there. Too bad i wasn't that attached to my characters though. But you also proved a very difficult point there too, what on earth are you going to do(as a dev) with the characters in order to satisfy as many as possible while keeping it consistent with the story?

Uh let me see. You werent attached to the characters but you want obsidian to let you know what happened to all of them????? Oooooooooooook. blink.gif


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